What is the best legal ph around?

juggernaut · 08-01-2006, 03:47 PM

ya dink?

muscleaddict · 08-02-2006, 03:13 AM

Apart from the oral-turinabol derivative apparently Halodrol also contains DMT. The same stuff thats pheraphlex. Don Catlin from UCLA the ass who ratted out Superdrol to Washington Post

was also paid by them to analyze halodrol and said it contained both compounds.

gopro · 08-02-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DylanNC

chlorodehydromethyltestosterone
I bet you cant pronounce that :-) lol
http://www.myspace.com/dylmo

Aww, thats an easy one actually:

cloro...dee...hydro...methil...testosterone!

gopro · 08-02-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

I kind of figured that...any favorites? Or just saw palmetto and anabolic matrix?

Liv 52 by Himalaya and Restore by ALRI (or Attitude by SAN).

As for Anabolic Matrix, I have never used it, but am sure it is a fine product.

gopro · 08-02-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FishOrCutBait

Yes, attack THAT Eric first... Ill have time to flee

LOL!

**Prince** · 08-02-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

As for Anabolic Matrix, I have never used it, but am sure it is a fine product.

I asked you if you wanted to try it (about a year ago) and you said no.

gopro · 08-03-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I asked you if you wanted to try it (about a year ago) and you said no.

Well Robert, that is not EXACTLY what I said, but ok

You want to send me a couple of bottles now? I'll try them.

**Prince** · 08-03-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

Well Robert, that is not EXACTLY what I said, but ok

You want to send me a couple of bottles now? I'll try them.

Right, I think you said that you were using some other supps, and it would be a few months before you could test anything else...or something like that.

PM me your mailing address.

Focus · 08-03-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by huesoloco

My favorite was 1-AD, however it is illegal now. So I am wondering what the best stuff is now adays.

The truth is that there is no real answer.
Just like the "real" anabolics (this shit is real though, despite the looks they get), different people will get different results. For one person, Superdrol may be more powerful than Anadrol. For another, creatine may work better than Superdrol on them.

There are different steroids for different purposes, and depending on your tendencies, such as lifting variables, diet, and other patterns will tell you which one is best for you, if you indeed really want this. What I'm trying to say is that Superdrol is rarely used for a cutting cycle, and is often recommended with high carbohydrate diets. M-TRN, a trenbolone spinoff, is used well in cutting cycles. Your goals and interests come into the equation.

A few that really seemed to grasp the market-
Superdrol and Phera-Plex (A LOT of discussion as to which works better. Again, depends on person and habits.)
Recently some buzz over M-TST as well.

juggernaut · 08-03-2006, 09:14 PM

I belong to the OCB. If you look at the drug ban, you'll see a shitload of all the good stuff thats been banned or in the process of being banned as of 12/2006. What the hell is left thats any good?!

Focus · 08-03-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

I belong to the OCB. If you look at the drug ban, you'll see a shitload of all the good stuff thats been banned or in the process of being banned as of 12/2006. What the hell is left thats any good?!

Yes it definetly is being reduced incredibly fast..
However there are some spinoffs... which are already spinoffs from illegal anabolics.
So I'm talking about spinoffs of spinoffs. That's right. Double time spinoff. Anyways..

A couple just came out that mimic Superdrol and Phera-plex. They are the same compound, yet they go for half the price; not bad if you ask me. It's all about name branding. Both anabolics have great reviews as well - despite being methylated, they seem to be top notch, blowing old andro out of the water.

juggernaut · 08-03-2006, 10:18 PM

pheraplex and superdrol are officially banned. Now what?

Here's a link of all the stuff being banned and has been banned. It is fucking ridiculous.
http://www.theocbwebsite.com/BannedSubstances.htm

juggernaut · 08-03-2006, 10:20 PM

I'm strongly thinking of leaving the OCB and other natural sites so that I can use whatever the hell I want unless I find something that works.

huesoloco · 08-04-2006, 02:24 AM

'4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17bdiol or 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol - found in supplements such as ProMagnon 25 and Halodrol-50 - Cannot use after December 31, 2006.'

Fuckin awesome.

juggernaut · 08-04-2006, 06:25 AM

exactly

juggernaut · 08-04-2006, 06:26 AM

and....I've done the research necessary to come to the conclusion that some AAS are better if not as harmful as using some of the "designer steroids", plus they friggin work!

Focus · 08-04-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

and....I've done the research necessary to come to the conclusion that some AAS are better if not as harmful as using some of the "designer steroids", plus they friggin work!

Definetly will agree with that. The majority of AAS surpass legal designer steroids by a pretty large extent in effectiveness and safety. There is less of a margin for error however, with the designers, being orals. Too many novices may inject in the wrong place, or at the wrong time.

Didn't know about the ban coming up this winter...

juggernaut · 08-04-2006, 02:24 PM

yeah, I aint too crazy about injecting but its a necessary evil and if there are
alternatives....tell me

gopro · 08-04-2006, 06:42 PM

Juggernaut...do you just belong to these natural sites or do you compete in any of their contests?

It is obvious why they are banning all of these OTC DRUGS (which is what they are), as they want natural guys competing in their shows.

juggernaut · 08-04-2006, 09:04 PM

I've competed in both inbf and ocb. Ocb is bit more relaxed on whats "legit", while inbf is more natural. I dont belong to the ocb site anymore because if you ask a question that might be considered taboo (such as using grey market stuff) they get all holier than thou. I am all for natural bbing, but come on, you know as well as i do that some guys are NOT natural and they claim the are.

gopro · 08-05-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

I've competed in both inbf and ocb. Ocb is bit more relaxed on whats "legit", while inbf is more natural. I dont belong to the ocb site anymore because if you ask a question that might be considered taboo (such as using grey market stuff) they get all holier than thou. I am all for natural bbing, but come on, you know as well as i do that some guys are NOT natural and they claim the are.

Of course many guys are "less than natural" in all tested organizations, but there are also many who are. So, as long as you go in with the attitude that you are going to use some banned substances in order to compete, then you are just helping to perpetuate the illigitamacy of natural bodybuilding. Why not be one of the guys that actually do it right?

juggernaut · 08-05-2006, 12:57 PM

I agree with what you said, GP; However, my question is what is going to make me grow as say haladrol would and not get me kicked out of the mentioned federations? If I have to join another federation just to use a substance like the above mentioned, why not use AAS and know that you will in fact grow?
Believe me, I want to stay natural, and I want to be freaky. I dont want to look like ronnie or ruhl. I think they are terrible representations of this great sport. But I dont want to look like the average typical joe. I havent looked like that in nearly 3 years. I enojy the way I look now. All I'm looking for is something that will keep me natural but make me bigger.

My only supps at the current moment are CEE, whey and tons of food taken at certain times of the day (9 meals to be exact). Food thus far has really been the chief reason why I have grown so much. I am nearly looking for an extra boost. Any ideas? I did try the nha stack by designer labs and it worked VERY well. But now I understand that one of the main components are being banned...for fuck's sake!

gopro · 08-07-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

I agree with what you said, GP; However, my question is what is going to make me grow as say haladrol would and not get me kicked out of the mentioned federations? If I have to join another federation just to use a substance like the above mentioned, why not use AAS and know that you will in fact grow?
Believe me, I want to stay natural, and I want to be freaky. I dont want to look like ronnie or ruhl. I think they are terrible representations of this great sport. But I dont want to look like the average typical joe. I havent looked like that in nearly 3 years. I enojy the way I look now. All I'm looking for is something that will keep me natural but make me bigger.

My only supps at the current moment are CEE, whey and tons of food taken at certain times of the day (9 meals to be exact). Food thus far has really been the chief reason why I have grown so much. I am nearly looking for an extra boost. Any ideas? I did try the nha stack by designer labs and it worked VERY well. But now I understand that one of the main components are being banned...for fuck's sake!

Well, there is a reason why there is nothing that is going to make you grow like Halodrol, for example, and that is because most PH's are actually real steroids, and nothing ovet the counter is going to match their potency.

Right now I am personally using VPX NO Shotgun, ALRI Jungle Warfare, ALRI Restore, and my usual high amounts of BCAA/glutamine/CEE (all through a product called BodyFX CSM), and my results have been pretty amazing. Pretty close to a good PH cycle.

bludevil · 08-07-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

I did try the nha stack by designer labs and it worked VERY well. But now I understand that one of the main components are being banned...for fuck's sake!

What's getting banned out of this stack as I'm fixing to buy in Sept.

juggernaut · 08-07-2006, 01:12 PM

rebound xt

juggernaut · 08-07-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

Well, there is a reason why there is nothing that is going to make you grow like Halodrol, for example, and that is because most PH's are actually real steroids, and nothing ovet the counter is going to match their potency.

Right now I am personally using VPX NO Shotgun, ALRI Jungle Warfare, ALRI Restore...

point taken. I am going to try this stack. Thanks for the 2 cents.

Focus · 08-07-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

point taken. I am going to try this stack. Thanks for the 2 cents.

Shit, throw in Ready4War. I saw that you showed some interest in a different thread, and I'd like to vouge some good feedback for it. I'm running out of my bottle, and I'm definetly going to take a break from the stimulant, but that shit packs a fucking punch. You would go nuts with a pre-workout stimulant combined with all those things.

juggernaut · 08-07-2006, 04:03 PM

not a bad idea focus...especially since I workout at 4am in the morning, or as you sleepers call it, the butt crack of dawn.

juggernaut · 08-07-2006, 05:08 PM

while we're on the discussion of stacking various supps, a while back I inquired as to the worthiness of a product called pine bark extract as a vasodilator. After a month of using this cheap product, I can honestly say: holy crap on a cracker!!!!!!! It's good stuff! veins rise, no itchiness as in using niacin, the effect lasts throughout the workout and it's pretty cheap. Plus, its loaded with antioxidants. Give this a try. I am actually staritng to see veins on my sides of my quads. Stack it with cee and vitamin c, e. Use it both before and after the workout, and dont take it on nonworkout days.

EDIT: also noticing veins popping on my calves-something that never happened before. And these are staying all the time.

gopro · 08-08-2006, 11:46 AM

Do NOT combine Ready 4 War with NO Shotgun..use one or the other...although I feel that as a true muscle builder, NO Shotgun is FAR superior.

08-04-2006, 02:24 AM	#44
huesoloco Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 187	'4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17bdiol or 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol - found in supplements such as ProMagnon 25 and Halodrol-50 - Cannot use after December 31, 2006.' Fuckin awesome. Im 20. 6'3'' 235 lbs. Want to get to 8% body fat, +315 bench, +500 squat, and reach a weight between 230-240.

08-04-2006, 06:42 PM	#49
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	Juggernaut...do you just belong to these natural sites or do you compete in any of their contests? It is obvious why they are banning all of these OTC DRUGS (which is what they are), as they want natural guys competing in their shows. All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

08-08-2006, 11:46 AM	#60
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	Do NOT combine Ready 4 War with NO Shotgun..use one or the other...although I feel that as a true muscle builder, NO Shotgun is FAR superior. All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

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08-01-2006, 03:47 PM	#31
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	ya dink?

08-02-2006, 03:13 AM	#32
muscleaddict Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12 Photos: 2	Apart from the oral-turinabol derivative apparently Halodrol also contains DMT. The same stuff thats pheraphlex. Don Catlin from UCLA the ass who ratted out Superdrol to Washington Post was also paid by them to analyze halodrol and said it contained both compounds.

08-03-2006, 09:14 PM	#40
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	I belong to the OCB. If you look at the drug ban, you'll see a shitload of all the good stuff thats been banned or in the process of being banned as of 12/2006. What the hell is left thats any good?!

08-03-2006, 10:18 PM	#42
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	pheraplex and superdrol are officially banned. Now what? Here's a link of all the stuff being banned and has been banned. It is fucking ridiculous. http://www.theocbwebsite.com/BannedSubstances.htm

08-03-2006, 10:20 PM	#43
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	I'm strongly thinking of leaving the OCB and other natural sites so that I can use whatever the hell I want unless I find something that works.

08-04-2006, 06:25 AM	#45
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	exactly

08-04-2006, 06:26 AM	#46
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	and....I've done the research necessary to come to the conclusion that some AAS are better if not as harmful as using some of the "designer steroids", plus they friggin work!

08-04-2006, 02:24 PM	#48
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	yeah, I aint too crazy about injecting but its a necessary evil and if there are alternatives....tell me

08-04-2006, 09:04 PM	#50
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	I've competed in both inbf and ocb. Ocb is bit more relaxed on whats "legit", while inbf is more natural. I dont belong to the ocb site anymore because if you ask a question that might be considered taboo (such as using grey market stuff) they get all holier than thou. I am all for natural bbing, but come on, you know as well as i do that some guys are NOT natural and they claim the are.

08-05-2006, 12:57 PM	#52
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	I agree with what you said, GP; However, my question is what is going to make me grow as say haladrol would and not get me kicked out of the mentioned federations? If I have to join another federation just to use a substance like the above mentioned, why not use AAS and know that you will in fact grow? Believe me, I want to stay natural, and I want to be freaky. I dont want to look like ronnie or ruhl. I think they are terrible representations of this great sport. But I dont want to look like the average typical joe. I havent looked like that in nearly 3 years. I enojy the way I look now. All I'm looking for is something that will keep me natural but make me bigger. My only supps at the current moment are CEE, whey and tons of food taken at certain times of the day (9 meals to be exact). Food thus far has really been the chief reason why I have grown so much. I am nearly looking for an extra boost. Any ideas? I did try the nha stack by designer labs and it worked VERY well. But now I understand that one of the main components are being banned...for fuck's sake!

08-07-2006, 01:12 PM	#55
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	rebound xt

08-07-2006, 04:03 PM	#58
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	not a bad idea focus...especially since I workout at 4am in the morning, or as you sleepers call it, the butt crack of dawn.

08-07-2006, 05:08 PM	#59
juggernaut Creator of Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 5,463 Photos: 2	while we're on the discussion of stacking various supps, a while back I inquired as to the worthiness of a product called pine bark extract as a vasodilator. After a month of using this cheap product, I can honestly say: holy crap on a cracker!!!!!!! It's good stuff! veins rise, no itchiness as in using niacin, the effect lasts throughout the workout and it's pretty cheap. Plus, its loaded with antioxidants. Give this a try. I am actually staritng to see veins on my sides of my quads. Stack it with cee and vitamin c, e. Use it both before and after the workout, and dont take it on nonworkout days. EDIT: also noticing veins popping on my calves-something that never happened before. And these are staying all the time.