Thread: Open your eyes the dangers of Muscle milk

Thanks for posting this.

The only thing is, I have the Muscle Milk WHEY protein (not the one that is shown in the picture that he is talking about...the one with the huge amounts of fat in it) and the ingredients list none of the things he is talking about. Is he refering to just that one product?

Thanx P-funk

I am not entirely sure but it does open flaws in the company and I would suggest discontinueing using this product and for others to do the same.

well, i don't want to just jump to conclusions on this. just because one product has a "flaw" doesn't mean that they all do.

Anyone else have an opinion or info on this?

trouble?

True but more often than not it does mean and are u willing to risk your health one of the most important things in life?

All for a protein shake?

After all if u dont have your health or u get cancer and die u dont have a life.

P-funk and its flaws not flaw.

Originally Posted by TheBigA

True but more often than not it does mean and are u willing to risk your health one of the most important things in life?

All for a protein shake?

After all if u dont have your health or u get cancer and die u dont have a life.

If I had to stop doing everything that could "potentially kill me", I'd hate life so much I'd kill myself.

Hopefully there is a logical explanation to this article but will I still drink the 10 RTD Muscle Milks I have at the house? You bet your booty.

Yes but why take an unessery risk.

Especially for something like a protein shake?

Theres other brands out there.

Theres knowing your taking a risk and there not knowing.

Theres a difference to u using something and u knowing the risks and u using something and not knowing the health risks and your health being ruined in the process.

I hope I have opened a feuw ppls eyes who were oblivious of the health and cancer risks of taking muscle milk.

Thanx for your time

Ive drank it for quite some time and though I am not a "gung-ho" customer, I would just have to hear both sides of the story. I am not a biochemist, doctor, or scientist, so I cant really believe everything I read without hearing everything.

Interesting study though. I dont drink as much muscle milk as I used to, I usually split it with another product since muscle milk isnt that expensive.

That article, I dont know, it reminds me of some coverage I saw on 60minutes or Dateline NBC about microwaves causing cancer and cell phones causing tumors. They have valid points, but to live in fear about shit like that is insane. I know a friends mom that wanted to remove her microwave from her house cuz it was going to kill her. Yeah, I want to be like that.

This compound is NOT likely to build up to cytotoxic levels because you have methionine transmethylation reactions that results in natural creatine synthesis.

Only GAMT gene deficient individuals would have neurotoxic effects from using this compound.

But wait, our author presupposes that because you aren't getting your full fucking 10 grams of betaine anhydrous, your aren't getting your fill of methylation power.

He then *misses* the only salient ingredient that you might want to think twice about in this product: CLA.

Its a mixture of isomers, one is exaggerates and other controls insulin response. Most of us do no recommend its use. The company really should reconsider its use, along with the dose of MCT (which this author correctly points to being on the high side).

Creatine is formed by the transmethylation of guanidine-acetic acid ransmethylation with methionine. The methionine is the endproduct of the folate/homocysteine pathway in liver.

The rest of the story:

Activation of GABA(A) receptors by guanidinoacetate: a novel pathophysiological mechanism. Neu A, Neuhoff H, Trube G, Fehr S, Ullrich K, Roeper J, Isbrandt D. Zentrum fur Molekulare Neurobiologie Hamburg, Universitat Hamburg, Germany. Neurobiol Dis. 2002 11(2):298-307.

Guanidinoacetate methyltransferase (GAMT) deficiency is an autosomal recessively inherited disorder of creatine biosynthesis. The disease occurs in early life with developmental delay or arrest and several neurological symptoms, e.g., seizures and dyskinesia. Both the deficiency of high-energy phosphates in neurons and the neurotoxic action of the accumulated metabolite guanidinoacetate (GAA) are candidate mechanisms for the pathophysiology of this disease. To examine a potential role of GAA accumulation, we analyzed the electrophysiological responses of neurons induced by GAA application in primary culture and acute murine brain slices. GAA evoked picrotoxin- and bicuculline-sensitive GABA(A) receptor-mediated chloride currents with an EC(50) of 167 microM in cortical neurons. Pathophysiologically relevant GAA concentrations hyperpolarized globus pallidus neurons and reduced their spontaneous spike frequency with an EC(50) of 15.1 microM. Furthermore, GAA acted as a partial agonist at heterologously expressed GABA(A) but not GABA(B) receptors. The interaction of GAA with neuronal GABA(A) receptors represents a candidate mechanism explaining neurological dysfunction in GAMT deficiency.

What's wrong with CLA?

troubleownage

Originally Posted by P-funk

troubleownage

In high enough doses, water can kill you, so do you give up water?

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

In high enough doses, water can kill you, so do you give up water?

if you ask mercola maybe.

The guy who wrote that article isn't the same one who said that Swole V2 and NO-Xplode were bad for your health too?

I'll say this being 100% honest. I thing that I like about ironmagazineforums.com is that we don't see biased threads like that.
We all know about Muscletech issue, but I've never seen Mr DiMaggio write a whole thread to diss a product.
IMO this guy just trying to create controversy.

Seriously, with all the safety measure in the U.S. post 9/11, do you honestly think the FDA or USDA will allow companies to sell something that could potentially harm you?
What happened with ephedra? They said it was bad for you and they banned it. What happened with Pro Hormones (eventhough I didn't agree on this one) they thought they were bad and banned!
So do you think that if a product is dangerous enough to posses a threat to your health the U.S. Govermentment won't do something to take off the market?

Jut my two cents.

I have much worse to quit than a protein powder, I wonder what supplement co the writer works for .

This Barr fellow first started to write about these creatine precursors back in 2004 on T Nation.

Unfortunately, he can't tell an inhibitor from a precusor. He blithely comments on GPA, an inhibitor of creatine synthesis, as though it were acetate moiety mentioned in the first article.

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do...ydra?id=459369

Damned junior scientist wannabes.

Pwned!

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I have much worse to quit than a protein powder, I wonder what supplement co the writer works for .

Good question. His bio is at the bottom of the second citation. If he has ulterior motives, its not immediate obvious why.

Originally Posted by Flakko

do you honestly think the FDA or USDA will allow companies to sell something that could potentially harm you?

LOL, like Donuts, sausage and KFC? Of course they will allow this to be sold. There is much more dangerous foods/drugs on the market.

I've never thought Muscle Milk meal replacement is healthy, and I've never understood the claims by some that it is. All one has to do is read the label and not the hype.

Nothing beats real food. Tried and True.

P-Funk, if your Muscle Milk is whey, not the meal replacement, I wouldn't sweat it.

I take a CLA supplement. Is that bad?

Originally Posted by Pirate!

I've never thought Muscle Milk meal replacement is healthy, and I've never understood the claims by some that it is. All one has to do is read the label and not the hype. Nothing beats real food. Tried and True.
P-Funk, if your Muscle Milk is whey, not the meal replacement, I wouldn't sweat it.

Pardon my being cynical here..

What is the difference between a blended whey powder and a MRP?

Water, maybe??

Like I said, the only questionable items I found in this product was the MCT content and the use of CLA.

Musclepump: you need to read a bit on more recent evidence on long-term use of CLA (mroe than a few months). Most CLA sold is a mixture of isomers. Its possible, but very expensive, to produce nearly pure enantiomers (note that they can be bought from chemical supply companies..but they are for research purposes, not human consumption, plus they are expensive).

One of the two enantiomers is counter intuitive as a supplement - it decreases insulin sensitivity. The mixture of isomers varies from suppliers, and some studies used pure enantiomers.. The confusing mixed results of CLA effects on metabolism from years of previously published studies was partially resolved recently (2000-2004) when mechanisms of action became better understood. Part of the problem lies in species specific reactions (an important consideration when examining results derived from animal models).

I don't take CLA....but Trouble's comments got me curious because everything you hear quite often suggests it's a wonder drug. Seems most benefits are only short term....Am I understanding that correctly?

Also, seems like the latest stuff on CLA says that you should take it with Chromium and keep taking your fish oils:

Lipids. 2006 May;41(5):437-44.
Conjugated linoleic acid and chromium lower body weight and visceral fat mass in high-fat-diet-fed mice.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=15867292

Diabetes. 2005 Feb;54(2):412-23.Click here to read Links
Interaction of fish oil and conjugated linoleic acid in affecting hepatic activity of lipogenic enzymes and gene expression in liver and adipose tissue.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=15677499

CLA on it's own might do nothing in the long run though:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/83/3/606

Lots of literature in the short run:
Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2003 Jul;27(7):840-7.
The effect of conjugated linoleic acid supplementation after weight loss on body weight regain, body composition, and resting metabolic rate in overweight subjects.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12821971

Interesting:
Br J Nutr. 2006 Jun;95(6):1112-9.Click here to read Links
trans-10,cis-12 Conjugated linoleic acid inhibits lipoprotein lipase but increases the activity of lipogenic enzymes in adipose tissue from hamsters fed an atherogenic diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=16768833

I kind of figured that muscle milk was all hype...that is exactly why i stick with my protein

I'm on my way to buy a case of Muscle Milk right now!!

I use muscle milk as a shampoo, conditioner, and body wash. The vanilla scent leaves me feeling all warm inside. Just kidding, but in all seriousness, I think that half the stuff out there for supplementation could be left out. I have only used one tub of muscle milk and I really liked it. I plan on buying more in the future, but I am usually very conscious of what I take in my body. My suggestion would be, if you really are worried about harmful effects, stick to food and keep it clean. You never know what something can do until it hits you.

Originally Posted by Trouble

Pardon my being cynical here..

What is the difference between a blended whey powder and a MRP?

Water, maybe??

MRP= protein, carbs and fat
Whey= protein only ( might have trace amounts of fat and/or carbs)

Actually, the last time I went to the muscle store, I went over to the MuscleMilk section and there was P-Funk's CytoSport WHEY. So I said fuck it and bought it. $21 I think. Shit is real good too. Not much far off from MuscleMilk in regards to taste. And it really does instatize! Err...except when you get to the bottom.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

MRP= protein, carbs and fat
Whey= protein only ( might have trace amounts of fat and/or carbs)