17HD day 2 holy god!!

CRASHMAN · 09-13-2006, 05:56 PM

Ok, so yesterday i wonder into gnc to buy some Tbomb2 for a little extra kick. Im looking around at other stuff and start talking to the clerk who has used both tbomb and 17HD. By the end of the convo, i bought the 17HD and dam i'm glad that i did. It's only day two for me; however, the energy rush you get from the stuff alone is better than caffiene. Period. Feels like i just chomped down 4 Redlines.. im a virgin to test products. Except, i've used tbomb and it doesn't even come close to how i feel.... or at all. I dont know about strength but my sense of well being is great and its been two days.. weird but awesome. I think its worth the money for the feeling lol and my ability to go on a tangent is amazing like in the "why i hate dudes thread". I dunno about strength but stuff has got me amped.

kenwood · 09-13-2006, 07:44 PM

nice ha.

viet_jon · 09-13-2006, 07:45 PM

who makes it? better than coffee? sounds good....how much?

Deeznuts · 09-13-2006, 07:55 PM

Even though these enhancers are, at the moment, legal, I would make sure you have a SERIOUSLY good foundation built before dipping into supplements such as these.

On another note - what the hell are you wasting your money at GNC for? LOL

TaylorsNutrition · 09-13-2006, 08:01 PM

Wow, how much was it at GNC?

CRASHMAN · 09-13-2006, 08:06 PM

it was 80$, its made by vyo-tech. Gnc, don't ask i couldn't tell you lol

kenwood · 09-13-2006, 08:15 PM

17-HD Tbomb2

TaylorsNutrition · 09-13-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kenwood

17-HD Tbomb2

Wow they're high too. I actually found some sample packs in our storage that I got from the Texas show. I guess I need to give them a try.....

Flakko · 09-13-2006, 08:55 PM

I tried a sample of Nitrobolic Extreme and I thought it was pretty good. When I got that one I got a free sample of the 17 HD and gave it to my co-worker, because I didn't want it.

bballstud · 09-14-2006, 05:12 PM

is the 17 hd jsut a natural test booster? or is it methylated like superdrol and stuff?

CRASHMAN · 09-14-2006, 06:04 PM

according to the site its a testosterone spiker which ramps up your test before a workout and it is not suppose to be supressive

**Pirate!** · 09-14-2006, 06:36 PM

17 HD is not a test booster, although Vyo-tech claims it is. Some people get nothing and some get extremely amped. It likely is some sort of CNS stimulant. I don't believe Vyo-tech is being honest. IDS has a knock-off product that some claim is better.

Focus · 09-14-2006, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pirate!

17 HD is not a test booster, although Vyo-tech claims it is. Some people get nothing and some get extremely amped. It likely is some sort of CNS stimulant. I don't believe Vyo-tech is being honest. IDS has a knock-off product that some claim is better.

Strange approach, but I actually think you may be right. The active incredient in the product is rather strange - something I've never seen before in a "natural test booster." It's comprised of 4 or 5 things, all unfamiliar to me.

How do you think this performs, however? A stimulant like product... would it work for strength or mass gains? Or both, would you say?

Crashman, keep us posted man. I'm becoming interested in this certain supplement, even if I don't plan on taking it.

CRASHMAN · 09-14-2006, 09:27 PM

i worked out with it today... nothing out of the ordinary but i did have that crazy energy rush again. although, it has been only 3 days so i'll be weighting for the next chest day to know if its working for sure.

Focus · 09-21-2006, 09:46 PM

How is the product working out for you?

Focus · 09-23-2006, 06:25 PM

Still taking it? Any gains?

CRASHMAN · 09-23-2006, 07:07 PM

actually the product is pretty solid. It got me through wrestling without a chance of stopping. i felt stronger; i had that crazy rush feeling all the time. However, i'm not the solid one. I started to get bloody noses(jump in blood pressure). I dont deal well with any type of anabolic so i had to stop. But id def reccomend it to someone who can deal.

CRASHMAN · 09-23-2006, 07:08 PM

oh and i got a migrane which basically really ended it. A bad one.

CRASHMAN · 09-23-2006, 07:08 PM

Really bad.

Focus · 09-23-2006, 07:18 PM

Strange... I definetly agree with the earlier poster then - it does not appear to be a test boosting product, but rather something else.

CRASHMAN · 09-23-2006, 07:27 PM

I can't say that it isn't because i felt (i know it was only a week) that i had gotten bigger or atleast back to my size i was before i took time off. I was hearing steroid comments constantly from friends who were just around.. I think there was something anabolic about or maybe i just noticed the comments more when i was on it.

I react REALLY well to products in the growth category but the sides category goes hand in hand.

andyo · 09-25-2006, 08:12 AM

Well I decided to try a bottle, using it only during weight training days, which is every other workout. So far here is what I've experienced:

Huge rush of energy, or power
Racing heart
Hard to breathe at times
Slight headache
Sleeping well on those nights

**dg806** · 09-25-2006, 09:19 AM

Crash, those headaches and bloody noses are serious. Please watch your blood pressure! Try to get you some supps that will help your BP! You need to get it down.

CRASHMAN · 09-25-2006, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

Crash, those headaches and bloody noses are serious. Please watch your blood pressure! Try to get you some supps that will help your BP! You need to get it down.

I was monitoring my BP when it happened and i was at 122/80 so i was normal.. so i dunno if it was my BP and its normal right now.

zombul · 09-26-2006, 08:33 AM

Anymore updates guys?

**dg806** · 09-26-2006, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRASHMAN

I was monitoring my BP when it happened and i was at 122/80 so i was normal.. so i dunno if it was my BP and its normal right now.

Good! Just keep a check on it.

Trouble · 09-26-2006, 11:13 AM

Nope, you pumped out inflammatory agents that led to your headache, would be my guess. Also, in order for you to metabolize these "test inducing" compounds, you must conjugated them in the liver. That requires taurine, N-acetyl-cysteine or glucuronate. My bet is that you also depleted taurine in the brain. Taurine protects against excitotoxicity and also against sudden ion increases in brain cells. You may also have low or borderline magnesium The action of these steroid analogs is to increase second messenger (Ca+2) translocation. That may result in a chronic shortage of magnesium, which balances charges. WIthout it, muscles in the chest, face, neck/upper back and scalp can tighten down, constricting blood flow and causing a temporary jump in local pressure, producing, along with elevated pain and inflammation compounds, a headache and muscle aches.

CRASHMAN · 09-26-2006, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouble

Nope, you pumped out inflammatory agents that led to your headache, would be my guess. Also, in order for you to metabolize these "test inducing" compounds, you must conjugated them in the liver. That requires taurine, N-acetyl-cysteine or glucuronate. My bet is that you also depleted taurine in the brain. Taurine protects against excitotoxicity and also against sudden ion increases in brain cells. You may also have low or borderline magnesium The action of these steroid analogs is to increase second messenger (Ca+2) translocation. That may result in a chronic shortage of magnesium, which balances charges. WIthout it, muscles in the chest, face, neck/upper back and scalp can tighten down, constricting blood flow and causing a temporary jump in local pressure, producing, along with elevated pain and inflammation compounds, a headache and muscle aches.

Dam, that was one sexy paragraph. So should i go get some magnesium next time i run something or should my multi be enough? suggestions?

Strongwarrior · 12-27-2006, 01:28 AM

I must admit I like 17hd. I don't know if it's all psychological or what, but I swear I feel like my testosterone levels go up whenever I take this supplement. I'm stronger in the gym, very intense, I don't get as tired. I have a friend of mine who loves it too. Some claim they can get aggressive while on 17hd. Some claim is garbage. In my opinion, 17hd seems to work well if your testosterone levels are already kinda high, then again, I'm not sure, it could be psychological. I remember it helped me get out of a platau, a long time ago. It helps you get leaner too. It has a lot of good reviews all over the internet. I used to take 1-ad, 17hd is probably even better than 1-ad, but then again, I could be wrong...

09-13-2006, 05:56 PM	#1
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	17HD day 2 holy god!! Ok, so yesterday i wonder into gnc to buy some Tbomb2 for a little extra kick. Im looking around at other stuff and start talking to the clerk who has used both tbomb and 17HD. By the end of the convo, i bought the 17HD and dam i'm glad that i did. It's only day two for me; however, the energy rush you get from the stuff alone is better than caffiene. Period. Feels like i just chomped down 4 Redlines.. im a virgin to test products. Except, i've used tbomb and it doesn't even come close to how i feel.... or at all. I dont know about strength but my sense of well being is great and its been two days.. weird but awesome. I think its worth the money for the feeling lol and my ability to go on a tangent is amazing like in the "why i hate dudes thread". I dunno about strength but stuff has got me amped.
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

09-13-2006, 07:45 PM	#3
viet_jon PISSED!! Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Our home and Native land Posts: 2,601	who makes it? better than coffee? sounds good....how much?
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09-13-2006, 07:55 PM	#4
Deeznuts Still Growing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 771 Photos: 2	Even though these enhancers are, at the moment, legal, I would make sure you have a SERIOUSLY good foundation built before dipping into supplements such as these. On another note - what the hell are you wasting your money at GNC for? LOL
	Desire.Dedication.Deeznuts

09-13-2006, 08:01 PM	#5
TaylorsNutrition Business Man 100% Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 704 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 20	Wow, how much was it at GNC?
	Working Hard and Playing Harder!

09-13-2006, 08:06 PM	#6
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	it was 80$, its made by vyo-tech. Gnc, don't ask i couldn't tell you lol
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

09-13-2006, 07:44 PM	#2
kenwood Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,878 Photos: 1	nice ha.

09-13-2006, 08:15 PM	#7
kenwood Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,878 Photos: 1	17-HD Tbomb2

09-13-2006, 08:55 PM	#9
Flakko Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NY Posts: 576 Photos: 8	I tried a sample of Nitrobolic Extreme and I thought it was pretty good. When I got that one I got a free sample of the 17 HD and gave it to my co-worker, because I didn't want it.

09-14-2006, 05:12 PM	#10
bballstud Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 125 Photos: 1	is the 17 hd jsut a natural test booster? or is it methylated like superdrol and stuff?
	Go Hard Or Go Home.

09-14-2006, 06:04 PM	#11
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	according to the site its a testosterone spiker which ramps up your test before a workout and it is not suppose to be supressive
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

09-14-2006, 06:36 PM	#12
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 5,725	17 HD is not a test booster, although Vyo-tech claims it is. Some people get nothing and some get extremely amped. It likely is some sort of CNS stimulant. I don't believe Vyo-tech is being honest. IDS has a knock-off product that some claim is better.

09-14-2006, 09:27 PM	#14
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	i worked out with it today... nothing out of the ordinary but i did have that crazy energy rush again. although, it has been only 3 days so i'll be weighting for the next chest day to know if its working for sure.
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

09-21-2006, 09:46 PM	#15
Focus Defense Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 593	How is the product working out for you?

09-23-2006, 06:25 PM	#16
Focus Defense Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 593	Still taking it? Any gains?

09-23-2006, 07:07 PM	#17
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	actually the product is pretty solid. It got me through wrestling without a chance of stopping. i felt stronger; i had that crazy rush feeling all the time. However, i'm not the solid one. I started to get bloody noses(jump in blood pressure). I dont deal well with any type of anabolic so i had to stop. But id def reccomend it to someone who can deal.
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

09-23-2006, 07:08 PM	#18
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	oh and i got a migrane which basically really ended it. A bad one.
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

09-23-2006, 07:18 PM	#20
Focus Defense Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 593	Strange... I definetly agree with the earlier poster then - it does not appear to be a test boosting product, but rather something else.

09-23-2006, 07:27 PM	#21
CRASHMAN SoCal. Stud Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: in a box on a corner near you Posts: 10,081 Photos: 2	I can't say that it isn't because i felt (i know it was only a week) that i had gotten bigger or atleast back to my size i was before i took time off. I was hearing steroid comments constantly from friends who were just around.. I think there was something anabolic about or maybe i just noticed the comments more when i was on it. I react REALLY well to products in the growth category but the sides category goes hand in hand.
	230_225_220_215_210_205_200_195_190_185_180 \|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|----\|---\|----\| <- that way about 20 more pounds!

09-25-2006, 08:12 AM	#22
andyo Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: WVA Posts: 362	Well I decided to try a bottle, using it only during weight training days, which is every other workout. So far here is what I've experienced: Huge rush of energy, or power Racing heart Hard to breathe at times Slight headache Sleeping well on those nights
	To achieve Success is certaily tough..but keeping it, much tougher!

09-25-2006, 09:19 AM	#23
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,251	Crash, those headaches and bloody noses are serious. Please watch your blood pressure! Try to get you some supps that will help your BP! You need to get it down.
	www.sbmuscle.com

09-26-2006, 08:33 AM	#25
zombul SB MUSCLE REP Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Power Rack Posts: 1,926	Anymore updates guys?

09-26-2006, 11:13 AM	#27
Trouble Anti-mediocrity Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: On Loan From A Distant Star System Posts: 2,080 Photos: 2	Nope, you pumped out inflammatory agents that led to your headache, would be my guess. Also, in order for you to metabolize these "test inducing" compounds, you must conjugated them in the liver. That requires taurine, N-acetyl-cysteine or glucuronate. My bet is that you also depleted taurine in the brain. Taurine protects against excitotoxicity and also against sudden ion increases in brain cells. You may also have low or borderline magnesium The action of these steroid analogs is to increase second messenger (Ca+2) translocation. That may result in a chronic shortage of magnesium, which balances charges. WIthout it, muscles in the chest, face, neck/upper back and scalp can tighten down, constricting blood flow and causing a temporary jump in local pressure, producing, along with elevated pain and inflammation compounds, a headache and muscle aches.

12-27-2006, 01:28 AM	#29
Strongwarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 151	I must admit I like 17hd. I don't know if it's all psychological or what, but I swear I feel like my testosterone levels go up whenever I take this supplement. I'm stronger in the gym, very intense, I don't get as tired. I have a friend of mine who loves it too. Some claim they can get aggressive while on 17hd. Some claim is garbage. In my opinion, 17hd seems to work well if your testosterone levels are already kinda high, then again, I'm not sure, it could be psychological. I remember it helped me get out of a platau, a long time ago. It helps you get leaner too. It has a lot of good reviews all over the internet. I used to take 1-ad, 17hd is probably even better than 1-ad, but then again, I could be wrong...
Strongwarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 151