Thread: how important is a protein shake preworkout?

Depends on your goals, training style, time of day you train, last meal, and so on.

go to the diet and nutrition forum and read the thread I started called "Post Workout Nutrition".......On the page 2 I layed out a bunch of research for you to base your own opinions on.

you difinitely need protein for your work out dude..thats what help me out...plus its great for your muscles skin etc...i take choc whey isolate protein from allthewhey.com the s#*t taste good and its the cheapest i seen on the net you should try it

Like P-Funk said, you make the last decision, but based on what I've read and researched. It is good to have one now and then. It will provide your body with certain nutrients that probably you had with your last pre w/o meal which depending on the person could be 2-3 hours before working out.
If I had a large meal more than two hours before my w/o session, I'll have a shake with maybe a scoop of whey, some high GI carbs, like table sugar, or white bread, or fat free vanilla yogurt, etc...
Also, I take my NO supplement with it and I'm good to go.
Hope that helps a little bit.

Eating good food in thought out meals 5-6 times a day is all that matters.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Eating good food in thought out meals 5-6 times a day is all that matters.

Oi ve. So nutrient timing is a farce?

The notion that resistance training depletes glycogen... a lie?

The concept that resistence training signals protein synthesis and protein turnover....industry bullshit?

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Oi ve. So nutrient timing is a farce?

The notion that resistance training depletes glycogen... a lie?

The concept that resistence training signals protein synthesis and protein turnover....industry bullshit?

Don't waste your breath....Really it isn't worth it on Foreman.

This guy is asking about a PRE work-out shake, I think you guys are thinking he asked about a POST work-out shake?

I do not use a protein shake PRE work-out, never have, although it could definitely help with catabolism, I just don't think it's necessary. You might be better off with a dose of BCAAs pre work-out.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

This guy is asking about a PRE work-out shake, I think you guys are thinking he asked about a POST work-out shake?

I do not use a protein shake PRE work-out, never have, although it could definitely help with catabolism, I just don't think it's necessary. You might be better off with a dose of BCAAs pre work-out.

I saw what he asked, which is why I posted what he did.

Some would call you a heritic with this position, btw. Some feel that the pre-meal is more important then the post meal.

And studies have shown that EAA consumption prior to training is superior to BCAAs or anything else. Anecdotally, I would agree.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Don't waste your breath....Really it isn't worth it on Foreman.

To be honest that is my opinion. If you want to break the rules Rob has set up then at least do it in open chat Iain. Just to let you know I will be reporting your post, I feel it is offensive and way off topic.

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Oi ve. So nutrient timing is a farce?

The notion that resistance training depletes glycogen... a lie?

The concept that resistence training signals protein synthesis and protein turnover....industry bullshit?

I feel that using real food before or after a workout is better than powders and pills.

As for the other issues you brought up I never said any were " a farce, BS or a lie." Your post makes no sence to me at all.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

To be honest that is my opinion. If you want to break the rules Rob has set up then at least do it in open chat Iain. Just to let you know I will be reporting your post, I feel it is offensive and way off topic.

LMAO

I have been using Accelerade pre-and during workout, and Endurox postworkout for 2 1/2 months with great results. Don't know that I would just dump protein down my gullett, though. I know THAT, would give ME, the SHITS. Plus I don;t think it would be effective.

I believe that a pre-workout meal is at least equally important, but I am more concerned with performance, than physique, but it would work for both, IMO.

Originally Posted by Flakko

Like P-Funk said, you make the last decision, but based on what I've read and researched. It is good to have one now and then. It will provide your body with certain nutrients that probably you had with your last pre w/o meal which depending on the person could be 2-3 hours before working out.
If I had a large meal more than two hours before my w/o session, I'll have a shake with maybe a scoop of whey, some high GI carbs, like table sugar, or white bread, or fat free vanilla yogurt, etc...
Also, I take my NO supplement with it and I'm good to go.
Hope that helps a little bit.

Jesu, normally you give sane information, Flakko.

Last work out meal should be a little close to workout than 2-3 hours, unless you want hypoglycemic attack during heavy exertion on legs, squats or bench days.

Table sugar or white bread? wtf?? kind of suggestion is that??

And NO supplements..lets see, jazz up the CNS reeel good via NMDA receptors, then slap on instant insulin response.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I believe that a pre-workout meal is at least equally important, but I am more concerned with performance, than physique, but it would work for both, IMO.

I agree.



Anyway, did anyone go check out the thread I was talking about and the research i posted about the pre-workout shake? Steve is on the ball with this one.

Originally Posted by P-funk

I agree.



Anyway, did anyone go check out the thread I was talking about and the research i posted about the pre-workout shake? Steve is on the ball with this one.

Course I am.

And I didn't even check out the thread.

Hey Sharon.

Hey, Steve. How's it going? Been a while.

Feel up to running a discussion here? Topic has some potential.

Point: fine tune recommendations for pre-workout nutrition on the basis..oh a number of factors.

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Course I am.

And I didn't even check out the thread.

Hey Sharon.

good job counselor.

Originally Posted by Trouble

Hey, Steve. How's it going? Been a while.

Feel up to running a discussion here? Topic has some potential.

Point: fine tune recommendations for pre-workout nutrition on the basis..oh a number of factors.

Always. But I won't get as technical as you. Or site studies.

Okey dokey, we can keep our discussions to the practical aspects of pre-workout nutrition.

We may have to dip into some technical jargon and facts, but we can avoid the use of citations and studies. (Most of it ain't rocket science).

New thread?

Yessir, that would be prudent.

Would you - or Rob or Patrick- start a discussion thread, please?

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...41#post1456641

Originally Posted by Trouble

Jesu, normally you give sane information, Flakko.

Last work out meal should be a little close to workout than 2-3 hours, unless you want hypoglycemic attack during heavy exertion on legs, squats or bench days.

Table sugar or white bread? wtf?? kind of suggestion is that??

And NO supplements..lets see, jazz up the CNS reeel good via NMDA receptors, then slap on instant insulin response.

LOL
If you read carefully, I said DEPENDING ON THE PERSON you last pre w/o meal could be 2-4 hrs before. Myself, usually I have a medium/large meal about an hour before I workout or if it's a large meal like rice, pasta, steak, etc... An hour an a half. The table sugar and white bread could potentially spike your sugar levels. Some people say it's not necessary, others don't like it, but I just said what some people do and myself have tried.
And like I said, I added another point of view for the guy's question. Everyone should make their own decision based on others' feedback, well... That's what I think

Next time I won't say anything...















Sike!

Yup, table sugar and white bread will certainly spike insulin levels.

You didn't say some people, you wrote: "If I had a large meal more than two hours before my w/o session, I'll have a shake with maybe a scoop of whey, some high GI carbs, like table sugar, or white bread.."

My reply to you is based on the fact that many here would probably consider using this approach to "anabolic spike" to be a good idea (since its a commonly touted practice), when they really don't have the glucose toleance to support its use.

Whey itself has a considerable portion of its amino acid constituency that will yield meabolism of those amino acids directly to glucose. They are called glucogenic amino acids, and they comprise about 35-45% of the protein mass of whey isolates and about 30-35% of whey concentrates. That conversion rate to glucose is surprisingly fast.

Sorry that I put my comments a bit harshly; didn't mean to offend. You often give very good advice here. I have an uphill battle getting folks to wor on improving their glucose tolerance, as its key to increasing expression of androgen receptor for both strength gains and hypertrophy.

Gotta love that Urban Dictionary:

sike: a dearly missed term from the late 80's and early 90's denoting that the immediately preceding statement was false and told to mislead another person.

Originally Posted by Trouble

Jesu, normally you give sane information, Flakko.

Last work out meal should be a little close to workout than 2-3 hours, unless you want hypoglycemic attack during heavy exertion on legs, squats or bench days.

Table sugar or white bread? wtf?? kind of suggestion is that??

And NO supplements..lets see, jazz up the CNS reeel good via NMDA receptors, then slap on instant insulin response.

Depends on the type of workout, type of food and size of the meal. Today I ate 1.5 hours before I boxed......well I hate to say it but I puked and it was 100% due to the fact I ate too close to the workout. I would say for a very intense workout of any kind 2-3 hours is a good range. You can work it out from there from personal experience
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for me it's just important to drink protein post workout not pre...but again that depends on your diet goals

Originally Posted by assassin

for me it's just important to drink protein post workout not pre...but again that depends on your diet goals

and what are your goals?