Thread: Creatine, Strength, and IM Labs CEE

Wow you have never tried creatine CP? Thats crazy. Anyhow, The first time I took it I took an EAS product called Phosphagen hp. It was loaded with sugar, but I did experience some pretty decent strength gains as well as gaining like 10 pounds (water). But the main thing was I felt like I could go forever into a workout. I think it helped with the maximal pump I was getting.

Originally Posted by Double D

Wow you have never tried creatine CP? Thats crazy. Anyhow, The first time I took it I took an EAS product called Phosphagen hp. It was loaded with sugar, but I did experience some pretty decent strength gains as well as gaining like 10 pounds (water). But the main thing was I felt like I could go forever into a workout. I think it helped with the maximal pump I was getting.

Thanks for the quick response. Generally I am pretty anti-supplement. I really have no reason to be, and I alread do take a few supplements: whey protein, multivitamin, and fish oil.

Originally Posted by Double D

Wow you have never tried creatine CP? Thats crazy. Anyhow, The first time I took it I took an EAS product called Phosphagen hp. It was loaded with sugar, but I did experience some pretty decent strength gains as well as gaining like 10 pounds (water). But the main thing was I felt like I could go forever into a workout. I think it helped with the maximal pump I was getting.

I found this also. My muscles seemed to look alot fuller. I used EndoCre3 which is a multiplier. I didn't load, worked basically from the first time.

Ya, I remember whenever it first came out I think I was like a junior or so in high school. All kinds of negative publicity is got. It was nonstop on every tv so that tells you enough about creatine. If something works like that of course they are going to talk so negative about it. And if it didnt work they wouldnt have said a word.

My experience was strength gains and some gains in weight, however I feel that once off of it I came to the conclusion that I really accomplished nothing. This was a time when I wasn't as regimented as now, but you asked and so you shall receive.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I've been reading about creatine and thinking about giving it a shot. I figure after about 3 years of good solid training and proper eating I have earned the right to give it a try.

First off, I was just curious what kind of strength gains people have seen with creatine supplementation? I don't care all that much about the mass gains, but I suppose experiences with that aspect of the supplement would be appreciated too.

Do you find loading really necessary? It doesn't seem to me like loading is entirely necessary, it will just take an extra couple of weeks to see results without loading first. A study I read seemed to indicate similar results after several weeks of a more moderate intake.

Also, does anyone have experiences specifically with IronMagLabs CEE? Just curious if you notice anything different from other brands out there? I would probably give it a shot to support this place regardless, but I figured I would ask anyway.

cowpimp, take it from a guy whos taken most of the creatines out there, just go with micronized creatine monohydrate. I am telling you man, it is the "classic" you cannot go wrong. Just take 5 g with ur postworkout shake when u train, and when you don't train you can either choose to take it with some kind of sugary drink that has dextrose in it or just water. Also i would supp with ALA (it is also a powerful antioxidant), to help with the absorbtion. I belive CEE is way overrated and too complex.

I never really stuck with mono, the sugary drinks were hard to down. Filled me up real quick. I also got headaches from mono, even though i was drinking about 1.5 gallons of water a day, never got a headache from CEE

I stuck with CEE, and agree with the above posts. I could go for much longer, less muscle fatigue, fuller, stronger. No complaints from CEE.

I'm a non-responder to mono but CEE was much more effective. No experience with IML's CEE but I've read positive things.
Not so much strength gains but increased work capacity (which, I guess, leads to strength gains).

yeah if you are new to creatine going with straight creatine mono (creapure) is the way to go. if you find that you are a non responder than cee is the way to go. cee in bulk tastes terrible, so if you are looking for straight cee get a capped product, if you want a powder, our xceed is the way to go.

Originally Posted by Double D

Wow you have never tried creatine CP? Thats crazy. Anyhow, The first time I took it I took an EAS product called Phosphagen hp. It was loaded with sugar, but I did experience some pretty decent strength gains as well as gaining like 10 pounds (water). But the main thing was I felt like I could go forever into a workout. I think it helped with the maximal pump I was getting.

Same here,how ever the first time I took it I loaded,the next I did not could not tell the diff.But!there is a diff.in creatine and how it effects me.Now it's only EAS Phosphagen hp.Every things else seems to hurt my stomach.Good luck!

I never really noticed anything when taking Creatine Mono other than drinking 2 gallons of water a day, and still being dehydrated (my lips were chapped all the time). I bought some IML CEE and noticed it within a few days. I wouldn't say I felt stronger, but I could defintely get a few more reps out of each set, I also appeared more vascular for some reason which is a nice added extra. I will be starting it again in a few weeks.

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I never really noticed anything when taking Creatine Mono other than drinking 2 gallons of water a day, and still being dehydrated (my lips were chapped all the time). I bought some IML CEE and noticed it within a few days. I wouldn't say I felt stronger, but I could defintely get a few more reps out of each set, I also appeared more vascular for some reason which is a nice added extra. I will be starting it again in a few weeks.

I had a very similar experience with mono as well. I switched bulk CEE powder and have never turned back. I did notice a fairly sizable difference in strength though. Maybe on the order of 5% in 4 weeks.

I am a responder to CEE, but I seem to have more of a response to mono.

Not part of the discussion, but creatine is pretty expensive. I'm not aware of your budget, but I'd reconsider buying it if you're short on cash. Especially because you lose most of your gains when you stop taking it, from what I've heard.

I did respond to Mono, but it also gave me a lot of bloat/gas (trouble explained the reason in a past post, though i cant remember exactly what). CEE dosent give any bloat. Mono is tasteless and CEE tastes terrible until you get accustomed to it (assuming you will be using bulk powder). From what Emma suggested, better to take Creatine with a formulation rather than by itself. I havent tried IM's product so i cant comment on that.

Originally Posted by Witchblade

Not part of the discussion, but creatine is pretty expensive. I'm not aware of your budget, but I'd reconsider buying it if you're short on cash. Especially because you lose most of your gains when you stop taking it, from what I've heard.

Huh?

Partner, I bought 1000 grams of powder for less than $40. This is enough to cover me for 7 months! Dollar for dollar it's on of the least expensive supps.

Wow, thanks for all the responses. Okay, so from what I gather:

Most people seemed to notice a significantly increased work capacity, and at least minor gains in size and strength, but sometimes more substantial.

Monohydrate is cheaper and more tried and true, but has the potential to dehydrate you and give you bloating/gas. CEE doesn't seem to have those side effects, and it may work if one is a non-responder to the monohydrate. CEE is also a bit more expensive and tastes like crap, unless you get pills.

Loading doesn't seem to make a difference, though the gains may come on a bit quicker initially.

Anything I missed?

well first i started with mono (GNC's regular creatine monohydrated)and did nothin to me, then i tryed the wonderful "cell tech" when i finished the 7lb bottle i found i gain little strenght so my conclusion was non mono-crea responder, then tricreatine malate came to the market, so i went for sans V12 (later v 12 turbo version) i gained lots of strenght 55%(increment of the weight) for chest,42% shoulder, 55% back, 28 % arms, 65 % for legs, so yeah i found tricreatine my best supp,but the bad thing ull gain only water weight 10 pounds-15 pounds (on tricrea), but when u stop ull lose like 95% of the "gained" weight ,anyways i had fun trying this stuff

I decided to buy a bottle of the IMLabs stuff. I'll give it a shot and see how I like it. Pretty cheap overall, really. I've been reading that only a few grams a day is really necessary. $25 for a 2 month or so supply is great if it makes for some good gains.

I will report back after a few weeks of supplementation, or sooner if results are that quick.

Originally Posted by Witchblade

Not part of the discussion, but creatine is pretty expensive. I'm not aware of your budget, but I'd reconsider buying it if you're short on cash. Especially because you lose most of your gains when you stop taking it, from what I've heard.

Bulk CEE is NOT expensive... you can get 1000 grams in powdered form for ~$35... You really only need 3 grams per day... That's 333.3 servings for $35; not what I would call expensive. Granted pure CEE in powdered form tastes horrible, but it's cost effective.

As far as loading goes, I do not find it, nor think it is necessary... I don't have any experience using monohydrate, so I can't vouch for the loading aspects being any different for that form of creatine.

Cell Mass from the BSN Mass Stack is a CEE and it doesn't taste bad at all. I found that I'm a pretty good responder to that, even though I do have about a tablespoon of mono-powder before my training sessions that involve the heaviest lifting.

The taste is so horrible I want to kill myself. Which is why pills are 100000000000000000000x better than powder.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

The taste is so horrible I want to kill myself. Which is why pills are 100000000000000000000x better than powder.

CEE is aweful. Unless you know how to flavor it right.

2 tablespoons of orange Gatorade, 5 grams of CEE, and 5oz water =


*Side note* This is downed like a shot while pinching my nose.

CP in my opinion whenever the first time a person takes creatine they ought to load it for the first week or whatever it is. But its just my own bias opinion. I bought like 1,000 grams from prosource for like 30 bucks or so. Obviously not expensive whatsoever. Wish you the best with it, oh and personally it did nothing to dehydrate me and remember I took the phosphagen hp and to my knowledge that was mono.

Just a side note;I've read all of the post and hear alot of guys talking about how bad the taste is.The stuff I use is from EAS it's Phosphagen hp fruit punch.It's great and taste good too.However I've tryed a fruit punch from Body Fuel products and it sucks,also give me the sceaming shits.just my 2 cents worth

Originally Posted by Double D

CP in my opinion whenever the first time a person takes creatine they ought to load it for the first week or whatever it is. But its just my own bias opinion. I bought like 1,000 grams from prosource for like 30 bucks or so. Obviously not expensive whatsoever. Wish you the best with it, oh and personally it did nothing to dehydrate me and remember I took the phosphagen hp and to my knowledge that was mono.

Are you referring to loading with monohydrate, CEE, or both? From what I understand, even those who think loading is a good idea with monohydrate feel it is less necessary with CEE.

Originally Posted by ffemt

Just a side note;I've read all of the post and hear alot of guys talking about how bad the taste is.The stuff I use is from EAS it's Phosphagen hp fruit punch.It's great and taste good too.However I've tryed a fruit punch from Body Fuel products and it sucks,also give me the sceaming shits.just my 2 cents worth

That is not CEE.