Glutamine

the_menace · 05-31-2002, 04:14 PM

What brands do you guys use and did it work for you?

nikegurl · 05-31-2002, 04:57 PM

I use AST. As for it "working"....glutamine isn't the sort of supplement most people see dramatic results from. (you won't gain size or strength like some people do with creatine)

You may notice you need less time to recover from hard workouts. I've found that I still get sore but it doesn't last nearly as long. I've also found that I'm healthier overall since I started taking it. It helps with digestion as well.

I think it's a really good supplement. i'll post some more info for you when i find it!

nikegurl · 05-31-2002, 04:59 PM

K....I found this info I had saved:

Some facts about glutamine and athletes.....
There has been very substantial research supporting the use of glutamine for increased muscle function and for anticatabolic properties over the years. Unfortunately there is a lot of this data that shows stronger immune system support than that of actual increase of protein synthesis (in healthy individuals) - however there was substantial increase in protein synthesis in "unhealthy" individuals. This lends itself to the need of glutamine when on calorie restricted diets and hard training to insure that the muscle protein will not be broken down to supply the body its need for glutamine. So the real benefit to glutamine supplementation is the preservation of muscle from catabolic breakdown - this is especially true when cutting up (usually because of the higher cardio and lower calories). Also it should be noted that glutamine research indicates that free form L-glutamine elevates blood glutamine levels far better (higher) than peptide (protein bonded or bound) bonded glutamine. Further, it should be noted that glutamine (free form) taken with hydrolyzed whey protein - gives better results than that of glutamine and glucose. Glutamine taken in conjunction with specific ratios of BCAA's actual haven shown protein synthesis.

Glutamine (free form) is more readily absorbed and utilized as it enters the system quicker and is cataloged in the liver faster then dispersed to the skeletal muscle amino pool in a more efficient manner than a protein bound (peptide bonded) glutamine. The reality is that glutamine is stored relative well in the muscle tissue over periods of time and is used or depleted upon exercise or muscle stress - this is the time you want to insure it is available in reserve - so as to guard against actual muscle protein being broken down (to supply glutamine to the system). This is the "anti-catabolic" function of glutamine. Glutamine taken pre - post and pm - insures an ample reserve within the muscle amino pool - that protects against catabolic breakdown, oxidative stress, and helps support muscle function and recovery. Glutamine in all fact can be taken any time of day - 10-20 grams daily - depending on lean body mass and exercise intensity.

First you have to understand the importance of increased immune system strength and especially stomach (which really should be GUT) health. Let me explain the GUT health first.....most everything you eat migrates (digests and is utilized) in (or in relation to passing through) the GUT - this has to be a "healthy place" or you will NOT get the optimum benefits from the foods and supplements you take......beside the fact you will be likely to have "problems" or complications with sickness and disease (age doesn't matter here - there are 10 year old kids that die from stomach cancer every year) - so to "think" age is the precursor to sickness is wrong. Next - if you apply the same "train of thought" to the immune system - it is all about internal health of your organs and support systems - people with low immune systems - can not and do not build muscle...period.

Now let's talk about "gains" from glutamine....glutamine is not like ephedra - where you can actually "feel it working" - glutamine is like a "ninja supplement" ( I just thought that up....pretty cool) where it is doing it's work in "silence"....kind of sneaks up and does its job. The importance of glutamine is what it does when you use it - and the negative of glutamine is what happens in your body and to your muscles when you DON'T use it....you (at your age) may never really feel the benefits of your glutamine use - the way I do at my age - I "feel" glutamine - because when my muscles are sore from an intensive session (after the fact) - glutamine supports the muscle recovery and I don't have the pain....so I know it works when I am using it - because of what I DON'T feel - where if I didn't use it - I WOULD feel (the pain)....Glutamine fulfills many functions and the most important is protecting from muscle protein breakdown....guess what - you DON'T feel that either. You will never feel your muscles giving up muscle protein for energy - you will never feel your body in a catabolic state - but your body is losing (wasting) valuable hard earned muscle. So the importance of glutamine lies in the "silent" support it gives our muscles and bodies for growth and preservation.....not in giving us huge gains and impressive pumps.....it is more about what would happen without it...then "feeling it".

The glutamine that naturally occurs in foods and in protein powders (unless it is added free form L-glutamine) do not synthesis in the same manner as orally ingested free form glutamine - so in essence you only get a small amount of the glutamine that is in foods - so supplementing is a great idea for athletes.

Bottom line - food alone CAN NOT supply adequate amounts of Glutamine to support serious training.....glutamine is so scavenged by the intestinal walls that as food is broken down and digested - by the time the stomach is done - there is little to no Glutamine left to support human performance or the additional support needed by the muscles of a trained (or training) athlete.

As with all raw materials used in making sports supplements and pharmaceuticals - there are different grades and specifications as it relates to source of origin, purity, particle size, etc. Cheaper is not always the best way to go when buying supplements - because in most cases you will get what you pay for.

**Prince** · 05-31-2002, 05:04 PM

I am using EAS right now.

the_menace · 05-31-2002, 05:11 PM

Good read NikeGurl...thanks for the info.

Sauron · 05-31-2002, 05:16 PM

Ultimate Nutrition. Check out DPSNutrition for good prices.

dvlmn666 · 05-31-2002, 05:20 PM

AST here, seem to be alot more healthy every since I started using it.

Robboe · 05-31-2002, 05:23 PM

People really over-exagerate how readily the body releases glutamine into the blood stream...

Nikegurl, where did you get that article from? And what else were they trying to sell you?

nikegurl · 05-31-2002, 05:30 PM

Terry Giles - he's got some pretty solid credentials.

I do know from my own experience that it helps with recovery and overall health.

The rest....just cut and paste.

Robboe · 05-31-2002, 05:36 PM

Terry Giles who posts on mm.com?

nikegurl · 05-31-2002, 06:00 PM

yep. if the info is crap - sorry. he seems to be pretty well respected and I had saved the article.

i know for me if i kill my legs in the gym they'll be sore for 36 hours now instead of 4 days. i also know that i used to catch every cold/flu that went around the office and that's also stopped since i started the glutamine.

Lightman009 · 05-31-2002, 06:00 PM

I just started using Glutamine from GNC, I think it's too early to tell if it's really working.

Tank316 · 05-31-2002, 09:39 PM

TCD. i am curious, have ya ever tried it. maybe you have and you didnt have any results. but...........

sawheet · 05-31-2002, 11:24 PM

I agree with nikegurl all the way on that one

nikegurl · 06-01-2002, 12:57 AM

about 2 weeks after i started taking glutamine i hit my legs HARD in the gym (they need it!) late the next day they were killing me. (you know the kind of hurt where you can't even put your hand on your lap 'cause it hurts).

so i'm cussing out glutamine and everyone who told me it aids recovery and soreness b/c i'm plenty sore. but - the next night they were at least 75% better. still sore but no big deal. that was the kind of pain that would have lasted 4 days easily before i started taking glutamine.

so - i wasn't sold right away but i am now

sawheet · 06-01-2002, 01:13 AM

Well you cannot stop pain from micro tearing of muscle but you can heal faster!1 thats why growth hormones are so good

Robboe · 06-01-2002, 06:37 AM

Tank, yes i have mate.

I agree it IS good for the immune system since it boosts gluthione (sp?) levels, and it IS good for the villi of the gut, but i don't see any reason to take the stuff when bulking.

It takes a lot to release glutamine into the bloodstream. and since BBers tend to eat protein with every meal, the chances of them being in negative nitrogen balance is slim.

It may prove to be of benefit when you're in pre-contest strategy or you're cutting - i'm even debating whether to get some myself, since i'm cutting now and gonna use this time to work on my cardiovascular fitness - but when people push glutamine as one of the top three "necessary" supps it kinda annoys me, cause they're spending money on an over-priced product when they should be buying steaks and chicken and eggs etc...

I really do think most supps are over-rated, vits and minerals aside.

It's up to you whether you wanna keep buying it, but for the most part it's money i'd rather save for something else.

**gopro** · 06-01-2002, 03:44 PM

Chicken...glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in muscle tissue and the gut is a total glutamine hog! It takes ALOT of supplemental glutamine to have an ergogenic effect in muscle, but when you get that amount the benefits are worth it. Putting aside that I have had fantastic results with gluatmine and so have all of my clients, you love to read research. Glutamine is one of the most researched supps out there, right up there with creatine, and there are so many studies proving gluatmines efficacy. You just seem to have a problem with it...EVEN AFTER people tell you that they have had great results with it. Damn, its just like incline presses with you, lol.

Anyway, please ignore TCDs glutamine comments...best glutamine products I have ever used...GP2 by Sports One and
G Force Peptides bt Osmo.

Vale Tudo · 06-01-2002, 04:07 PM

I have been using it for a while, and I have noticed a little bit of change but not as much as i expected. I am using the GNC pro preformance brand and I take it after my workout and before bed. Are these good times to be taking it? When does everyone else take theirs?

Robboe · 06-01-2002, 05:15 PM

Gopro, the studies done are using burn victims. Do you realise how stressful that situation actually is? Of course glutamine is gonna be good for them. Sure, a balls-to-the-wall workout is stressful, but not compared to burns situations. And the athletes used in studies are marathon runners - again, much more stressful situation than a 40-60 minute weight training workout.

If you have studies showing how it benefits BODYBUILDERS then please do show me them if there's so many studies. People who eat every 3 hours or so have no requirement for additional glutamine, unless, like i've always stated, they are cutting and even then it's debatable. And this is even going on the assumption that taking one amino acid alone will be digested and utilised how you want it to be. One amino on it's own is like taking in an incomplete protein source.

Robboe · 06-01-2002, 05:20 PM

Oh, and if you're actually wondering why i argue about this, it's cause it annoys me seeing people push "ground-breaking" supplements to people who have no reason to waste their money on over-priced products.

Gopro is huge and now cause he says he's gotten good benefits from it someone less knowledgable may read his post and think, "Ah well, gopro's huge and he uses glutamine - looks like that's gonna get me huge too! Let's just forget about the basics and rely on this stuff to get me there..."

**Prince** · 06-01-2002, 05:37 PM

I believe in using Glutamine, but I only take aorund 5 grams per day in supplement form. On work-out days I sometimes take 10 grams.

tidalwaverus · 06-01-2002, 10:44 PM

TAG and everyone got sick with a cold 2 weeks ago (wife and 3yr old son) but me LOL

some good sh*t and last week I was doing max failure IT HELPS

RECOVER for sure

Tank316 · 06-02-2002, 09:08 AM

taking supps is a choice.some people have good results some dont.it can get be a spendy lifestyle, but speaking for myself, i have no other hobbies, so i do try alot of supps.i wish i had the knowledge of these supps 23 years ago, but as time passes on, the research has doubled. its a hobby that doest possess alot risk factors like car racing or what have you. supps are made for some and some not.

**gopro** · 06-02-2002, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Oh, and if you're actually wondering why i argue about this, it's cause it annoys me seeing people push "ground-breaking" supplements to people who have no reason to waste their money on over-priced products.

Gopro is huge and now cause he says he's gotten good benefits from it someone less knowledgable may read his post and think, "Ah well, gopro's huge and he uses glutamine - looks like that's gonna get me huge too! Let's just forget about the basics and rely on this stuff to get me there..."

Two things...

1- all studies on glutamine are NOT on burn patients and marathon runners...jeez, do a search

2- my recommendations on glutamine have come about BECAUSE glutamine has aided me in GETTING to the size I am, AND because I am lucky to have a large pool of clients that take it and have shown wonderful results

Oh, just one more thing....you see guys, Chicken really does mean well, but he just likes to argue just to hear himself argue...he has a problem and we all need to be sensitive to it..ok?

Big_Andy · 06-02-2002, 06:45 PM

I've read in T-mag that the oral glutamine makes your gut, not your muscles, protruding (hypertrophied), because of much more receptors there. Intravenous glutamine is of course different, and seems to be effective for muscle sparing and growth. (I guess Biotest has not invested heavily in Glutamine :-)
My own thoughts are that weightlifters tax their immune systems heavily, and anything and everything that can help immune system ultimately helps recovery. If Glutamine is good for gut health, then it is even better, because poor digestion negates all your well-thought meals and your calories are ultimately way below your calculations....

Lightman009 · 06-02-2002, 07:55 PM

Really, I am getting sick of reading Chicken Daddy's posts.

the_menace · 06-02-2002, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightman009
Really, I am getting sick of reading Chicken Daddy's posts.

I well agree on his last posts about not relying on supplements. I myself do that but because of low budget, I have to step up and do the tasks myself without overloading myself with a lot of supplements. I depend more on training harder rather than relying on supplements.

05-31-2002, 04:14 PM	#1
the_menace Under construction Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 102	Glutamine What brands do you guys use and did it work for you?
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05-31-2002, 04:57 PM	#2
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	I use AST. As for it "working"....glutamine isn't the sort of supplement most people see dramatic results from. (you won't gain size or strength like some people do with creatine) You may notice you need less time to recover from hard workouts. I've found that I still get sore but it doesn't last nearly as long. I've also found that I'm healthier overall since I started taking it. It helps with digestion as well. I think it's a really good supplement. i'll post some more info for you when i find it! Last edited by nikegurl : 05-31-2002 at 05:08 PM.
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05-31-2002, 04:59 PM	#3
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	K....I found this info I had saved: Some facts about glutamine and athletes..... There has been very substantial research supporting the use of glutamine for increased muscle function and for anticatabolic properties over the years. Unfortunately there is a lot of this data that shows stronger immune system support than that of actual increase of protein synthesis (in healthy individuals) - however there was substantial increase in protein synthesis in "unhealthy" individuals. This lends itself to the need of glutamine when on calorie restricted diets and hard training to insure that the muscle protein will not be broken down to supply the body its need for glutamine. So the real benefit to glutamine supplementation is the preservation of muscle from catabolic breakdown - this is especially true when cutting up (usually because of the higher cardio and lower calories). Also it should be noted that glutamine research indicates that free form L-glutamine elevates blood glutamine levels far better (higher) than peptide (protein bonded or bound) bonded glutamine. Further, it should be noted that glutamine (free form) taken with hydrolyzed whey protein - gives better results than that of glutamine and glucose. Glutamine taken in conjunction with specific ratios of BCAA's actual haven shown protein synthesis. Glutamine (free form) is more readily absorbed and utilized as it enters the system quicker and is cataloged in the liver faster then dispersed to the skeletal muscle amino pool in a more efficient manner than a protein bound (peptide bonded) glutamine. The reality is that glutamine is stored relative well in the muscle tissue over periods of time and is used or depleted upon exercise or muscle stress - this is the time you want to insure it is available in reserve - so as to guard against actual muscle protein being broken down (to supply glutamine to the system). This is the "anti-catabolic" function of glutamine. Glutamine taken pre - post and pm - insures an ample reserve within the muscle amino pool - that protects against catabolic breakdown, oxidative stress, and helps support muscle function and recovery. Glutamine in all fact can be taken any time of day - 10-20 grams daily - depending on lean body mass and exercise intensity. First you have to understand the importance of increased immune system strength and especially stomach (which really should be GUT) health. Let me explain the GUT health first.....most everything you eat migrates (digests and is utilized) in (or in relation to passing through) the GUT - this has to be a "healthy place" or you will NOT get the optimum benefits from the foods and supplements you take......beside the fact you will be likely to have "problems" or complications with sickness and disease (age doesn't matter here - there are 10 year old kids that die from stomach cancer every year) - so to "think" age is the precursor to sickness is wrong. Next - if you apply the same "train of thought" to the immune system - it is all about internal health of your organs and support systems - people with low immune systems - can not and do not build muscle...period. Now let's talk about "gains" from glutamine....glutamine is not like ephedra - where you can actually "feel it working" - glutamine is like a "ninja supplement" ( I just thought that up....pretty cool) where it is doing it's work in "silence"....kind of sneaks up and does its job. The importance of glutamine is what it does when you use it - and the negative of glutamine is what happens in your body and to your muscles when you DON'T use it....you (at your age) may never really feel the benefits of your glutamine use - the way I do at my age - I "feel" glutamine - because when my muscles are sore from an intensive session (after the fact) - glutamine supports the muscle recovery and I don't have the pain....so I know it works when I am using it - because of what I DON'T feel - where if I didn't use it - I WOULD feel (the pain)....Glutamine fulfills many functions and the most important is protecting from muscle protein breakdown....guess what - you DON'T feel that either. You will never feel your muscles giving up muscle protein for energy - you will never feel your body in a catabolic state - but your body is losing (wasting) valuable hard earned muscle. So the importance of glutamine lies in the "silent" support it gives our muscles and bodies for growth and preservation.....not in giving us huge gains and impressive pumps.....it is more about what would happen without it...then "feeling it". The glutamine that naturally occurs in foods and in protein powders (unless it is added free form L-glutamine) do not synthesis in the same manner as orally ingested free form glutamine - so in essence you only get a small amount of the glutamine that is in foods - so supplementing is a great idea for athletes. Bottom line - food alone CAN NOT supply adequate amounts of Glutamine to support serious training.....glutamine is so scavenged by the intestinal walls that as food is broken down and digested - by the time the stomach is done - there is little to no Glutamine left to support human performance or the additional support needed by the muscles of a trained (or training) athlete. As with all raw materials used in making sports supplements and pharmaceuticals - there are different grades and specifications as it relates to source of origin, purity, particle size, etc. Cheaper is not always the best way to go when buying supplements - because in most cases you will get what you pay for.
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

05-31-2002, 05:04 PM	#4
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,992 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	I am using EAS right now.
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05-31-2002, 05:11 PM	#5
the_menace Under construction Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 102	Good read NikeGurl...thanks for the info.
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05-31-2002, 05:16 PM	#6
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05-31-2002, 05:20 PM	#7
dvlmn666 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 3,233	AST here, seem to be alot more healthy every since I started using it.
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05-31-2002, 05:23 PM	#8
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	People really over-exagerate how readily the body releases glutamine into the blood stream... Nikegurl, where did you get that article from? And what else were they trying to sell you?
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05-31-2002, 05:30 PM	#9
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	Terry Giles - he's got some pretty solid credentials. I do know from my own experience that it helps with recovery and overall health. The rest....just cut and paste. Last edited by nikegurl : 05-31-2002 at 05:35 PM.
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

05-31-2002, 05:36 PM	#10
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Terry Giles who posts on mm.com?
	Being held down by The Man

05-31-2002, 06:00 PM	#11
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	yep. if the info is crap - sorry. he seems to be pretty well respected and I had saved the article. i know for me if i kill my legs in the gym they'll be sore for 36 hours now instead of 4 days. i also know that i used to catch every cold/flu that went around the office and that's also stopped since i started the glutamine.
	If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

05-31-2002, 06:00 PM	#12
Lightman009 UCSB Student Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 300	I just started using Glutamine from GNC, I think it's too early to tell if it's really working.
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05-31-2002, 09:39 PM	#13
Tank316 P/RR/Sh Warrior Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Barron,Wi Posts: 4,345 Photos: 8	TCD. i am curious, have ya ever tried it. maybe you have and you didnt have any results. but...........
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05-31-2002, 11:24 PM	#14
sawheet JB'Os THONG Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,137 Photos: 8	I agree with nikegurl all the way on that one
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06-01-2002, 12:57 AM	#15
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,635	about 2 weeks after i started taking glutamine i hit my legs HARD in the gym (they need it!) late the next day they were killing me. (you know the kind of hurt where you can't even put your hand on your lap 'cause it hurts). so i'm cussing out glutamine and everyone who told me it aids recovery and soreness b/c i'm plenty sore. but - the next night they were at least 75% better. still sore but no big deal. that was the kind of pain that would have lasted 4 days easily before i started taking glutamine. so - i wasn't sold right away but i am now
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06-01-2002, 01:13 AM	#16
sawheet JB'Os THONG Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,137 Photos: 8	Well you cannot stop pain from micro tearing of muscle but you can heal faster!1 thats why growth hormones are so good
	Climb high, climb far; your goal the sky, your aim, the stars

06-01-2002, 06:37 AM	#17
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Tank, yes i have mate. I agree it IS good for the immune system since it boosts gluthione (sp?) levels, and it IS good for the villi of the gut, but i don't see any reason to take the stuff when bulking. It takes a lot to release glutamine into the bloodstream. and since BBers tend to eat protein with every meal, the chances of them being in negative nitrogen balance is slim. It may prove to be of benefit when you're in pre-contest strategy or you're cutting - i'm even debating whether to get some myself, since i'm cutting now and gonna use this time to work on my cardiovascular fitness - but when people push glutamine as one of the top three "necessary" supps it kinda annoys me, cause they're spending money on an over-priced product when they should be buying steaks and chicken and eggs etc... I really do think most supps are over-rated, vits and minerals aside. It's up to you whether you wanna keep buying it, but for the most part it's money i'd rather save for something else.
	Being held down by The Man

06-01-2002, 03:44 PM	#18
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,523	Chicken...glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in muscle tissue and the gut is a total glutamine hog! It takes ALOT of supplemental glutamine to have an ergogenic effect in muscle, but when you get that amount the benefits are worth it. Putting aside that I have had fantastic results with gluatmine and so have all of my clients, you love to read research. Glutamine is one of the most researched supps out there, right up there with creatine, and there are so many studies proving gluatmines efficacy. You just seem to have a problem with it...EVEN AFTER people tell you that they have had great results with it. Damn, its just like incline presses with you, lol. Anyway, please ignore TCDs glutamine comments...best glutamine products I have ever used...GP2 by Sports One and G Force Peptides bt Osmo.
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06-01-2002, 04:07 PM	#19
Vale Tudo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 357	I have been using it for a while, and I have noticed a little bit of change but not as much as i expected. I am using the GNC pro preformance brand and I take it after my workout and before bed. Are these good times to be taking it? When does everyone else take theirs?

06-01-2002, 05:15 PM	#20
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Gopro, the studies done are using burn victims. Do you realise how stressful that situation actually is? Of course glutamine is gonna be good for them. Sure, a balls-to-the-wall workout is stressful, but not compared to burns situations. And the athletes used in studies are marathon runners - again, much more stressful situation than a 40-60 minute weight training workout. If you have studies showing how it benefits BODYBUILDERS then please do show me them if there's so many studies. People who eat every 3 hours or so have no requirement for additional glutamine, unless, like i've always stated, they are cutting and even then it's debatable. And this is even going on the assumption that taking one amino acid alone will be digested and utilised how you want it to be. One amino on it's own is like taking in an incomplete protein source.
	Being held down by The Man

06-01-2002, 05:20 PM	#21
Robboe Designer Supplements Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Newcastle Posts: 5,141	Oh, and if you're actually wondering why i argue about this, it's cause it annoys me seeing people push "ground-breaking" supplements to people who have no reason to waste their money on over-priced products. Gopro is huge and now cause he says he's gotten good benefits from it someone less knowledgable may read his post and think, "Ah well, gopro's huge and he uses glutamine - looks like that's gonna get me huge too! Let's just forget about the basics and rely on this stuff to get me there..."
	Being held down by The Man

06-01-2002, 05:37 PM	#22
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,992 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	I believe in using Glutamine, but I only take aorund 5 grams per day in supplement form. On work-out days I sometimes take 10 grams.
	SBMuscle.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEM Products - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclePharm - Complete Nutritional Arsenal BigBackGrips - If you lift weights you've got to try these grips! HumaneVoLabs - Foaming Transdermal Delivery System. Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) On Sale $17.49 per bottle!

06-01-2002, 10:44 PM	#23
tidalwaverus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 237	TAG and everyone got sick with a cold 2 weeks ago (wife and 3yr old son) but me LOL some good sh*t and last week I was doing max failure IT HELPS RECOVER for sure
	Ya never know

06-02-2002, 09:08 AM	#24
Tank316 P/RR/Sh Warrior Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Barron,Wi Posts: 4,345 Photos: 8	taking supps is a choice.some people have good results some dont.it can get be a spendy lifestyle, but speaking for myself, i have no other hobbies, so i do try alot of supps.i wish i had the knowledge of these supps 23 years ago, but as time passes on, the research has doubled. its a hobby that doest possess alot risk factors like car racing or what have you. supps are made for some and some not.
	P/RR/Sh Warrior. Epic's new man beast.

06-02-2002, 06:45 PM	#26
Big_Andy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: USA Posts: 35	I've read in T-mag that the oral glutamine makes your gut, not your muscles, protruding (hypertrophied), because of much more receptors there. Intravenous glutamine is of course different, and seems to be effective for muscle sparing and growth. (I guess Biotest has not invested heavily in Glutamine :-) My own thoughts are that weightlifters tax their immune systems heavily, and anything and everything that can help immune system ultimately helps recovery. If Glutamine is good for gut health, then it is even better, because poor digestion negates all your well-thought meals and your calories are ultimately way below your calculations....
	Big Andy

06-02-2002, 07:55 PM	#27
Lightman009 UCSB Student Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 300	Really, I am getting sick of reading Chicken Daddy's posts.
	Just Shut Up and LIFT.

06-02-2002, 09:54 PM	#29
Lightman009 UCSB Student Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Santa Barbara, CA