Supplements YOU think are good

What Doesnt Die · 03-19-2007, 08:52 AM

Hey guys,
New here so go easy. I've been traiinig for a number of years now and finally got onto a forum. Kind of got fed up with the adverts in the magazines telling me that their product is the most revolutionary and best working product.

So what supplements and by what companies have worked for you? (Whey protien aside - I think we all are up on that)

EG
Creatine Regular monohydrate oVs HCL Vs CEE?
HMB?
ZMA?
NO?

What about the all in ones EG Creatine, glutamine, whey mixes etc? Do you find its better to mix your own from 'cheaper' ingredients bought seperatly. I mean NO is basically arginine so why go for a more expensive NO product like A-AKG? Does it make much difference?

Who are decent manufacturers in your opinion? Ive tried Maximsucle most recently and they are OK. Im currently trying Sci-Mentor which seem to be pretty good. Tried muscletech in the past but was not impressed same with Prolab and EAS. Myprotien seem to get a lot of mentions on here.

What are you favourite stacks?

Cheers guys! Be good to see what companies are hot or not.

**Prince** · 03-19-2007, 09:50 AM

are you just asking about ingredients and not products, or both?

What Doesnt Die · 03-19-2007, 10:10 AM

Firstly the best products secondly if anyone has had any sucess in replicating products by buying seperate ingredients and combining them

EG GN enrage contians creatine, caffine, gurana, tryosine, tauring, arginine

surely its cheaper to but these all seperatly and combine them youself?

NO is basically arginine. so whay are we all being ripped off buying NO supplements when arginine is a few quid (UK) from a health food shop? Are ther any benefits to buying an all in one?

DontStop · 03-19-2007, 10:27 AM

ephedrine

erm glutamin is baller.

DontStop · 03-19-2007, 10:27 AM

glutamine**

**nni** · 03-19-2007, 12:39 PM

many supplements work, and many don't.

ill just address your direct questions...

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EG

what is this? EC?

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Creatine Regular monohydrate oVs HCL Vs CEE?

always start with mono, if you don't respond or don't like the bloat then try CEE both work.

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HMB?

not worth it. it is cost prohibitive for what you may get out of it.

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ZMA?

great for sleep.

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NO?

NO may serve a purpose, in that it may help transport nutrients into the muscles, some may help GH, or it may just be to make you fell better. there are some promising ones and ones that are merely cosmetic. this is a good read..
http://www.designersupps.com/product...s/nolimits.pdf

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What about the all in ones EG Creatine, glutamine, whey mixes etc? Do you find its better to mix your own from 'cheaper' ingredients bought seperatly.

it will always be cheaper to get your own supplements in bulk and mix them, but one it is terribly annoying and time consuming, especially if you have to cap them yourselves. also good flavoring is quite expensive, so if you care about your tastebuds take that into consideration. and never buy glutamine, its a waste of money.

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I mean NO is basically arginine so why go for a more expensive NO product like A-AKG? Does it make much difference?

the idea behind different forms of arginine is to get the same benefit of arginine, but at a much lower dose, so it does make a difference. there are other compounds other than argining that will cause a pump though.

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Who are decent manufacturers in your opinion? Ive tried Maximsucle most recently and they are OK. Im currently trying Sci-Mentor which seem to be pretty good. Tried muscletech in the past but was not impressed same with Prolab and EAS. Myprotien seem to get a lot of mentions on here.

not a fan of any you mentioned, of the top of my head, (obviously) designer supplements, man, allmax, ergopharm, now, molecular nutrition etc.

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What are you favourite stacks?

there are many products that go well together...
xceed + 8beta-anabol
NHA (rebound reloaded or AI of your choice + activate)
body octane + clout
scorch + melting point
etc.

YoungGunz88 · 03-19-2007, 04:23 PM

For Creatine. i use Micronized by a company called Life Extension. Best Results ive ever had with any creatine. including cell mass, and celltech.
Stay away from everything by muscle tech, except for hydroxycut.
as for preworkout. If you are affraid of pills for some reason try MHP's TRAC extreme NO. poor taste, amazing results. other than that, i would stick with L-Arginine and B vitimans. considering they are the 2 main ingredients in most prework outs.

code0824 · 03-19-2007, 11:52 PM

^^ what site do you buy off of?

**nni** · 03-20-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by code0824

^^ what site do you buy off of?

all mono are essentially the same. your best bet is to get a creapure creatine. scitec sells one.

emitecaps · 03-20-2007, 10:15 PM

With creatine products you have to try various products and see what works the best for you. I prefer Xceed but a bulk powder CEE or KreAlklyn or even Mono should suffice. I also like bulk beta-alanine, it's an under rated supp since it doesn't produce pumps or boosts test.

Malley · 03-20-2007, 10:27 PM

Protein powders, creatine, multi-vitamins and multi-minerals, efa supps, well thats about all I will purchase.

juggernaut · 03-21-2007, 01:07 PM

Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (AAKG) Powder [100 Grams] - $6.99
Other than this, just good food, multivitamin, fish oils twice a day and a good whey product.
For fat burning; ECA or herbal burn
For creatine; CEE. Ironmag sells both of the above (herbal burn and cee). CHEAP!

juggernaut · 03-21-2007, 01:11 PM

zma=shit. doesnt work.
melatonin, when used properly enables me to sleep like a baby.

emitecaps · 03-21-2007, 09:51 PM

I'll say it again, beta-alanine is a great supplement and is pretty cheap too. It has greatly improved my endurance as I can pedal harder and longer. Certainly a must have if you are an endurance athlete but I'm not sure how much of a benefit it would be to a bodybuilder. It should help you crank out those last reps though so I think it's of benefit.

dontsurfonmytur · 03-21-2007, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

zma=shit. doesnt work.
melatonin, when used properly enables me to sleep like a baby.

what u mean when used properly (melatonin)
how many mgs do u take and how many mins before bged?

**Prince** · 03-22-2007, 11:10 AM

ZMA helps promote sleep so I would not say it is shit.

juggernaut · 03-22-2007, 11:24 AM

IMHO Zma sucks. I never had any luck with it. As for promoting sleep, give me a shot of soco anytime and I'm a happy camper.

juggernaut · 03-22-2007, 11:24 AM

same thing with glutamine

Nate K · 03-22-2007, 11:40 AM

I like the company Primaforce

CXM · 03-23-2007, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

zma=shit. doesnt work.
melatonin, when used properly enables me to sleep like a baby.

ZMA has worked great for me in regards to a deep sleep, also on ZMA 7 hours of sleep is enough for me in comparison to my normal 8 hours.

Melatonin helps me with getting to sleep.

juggernaut · 03-23-2007, 06:24 AM

I guess that I looked at ZMA for the test claim; it didnt do kaka. Perhaps I should try it again to see if it has any bearing on how I sleep.

ABCs · 03-23-2007, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CXM

Melatonin helps me with getting to sleep.

I just bought a bottle of 5mg Melatonin pills from CVS. I took a small bite off of a pill and in an hours time was in dreamland. You get some really good deep sleep off of that stuff.

juggernaut · 03-23-2007, 08:42 AM

why half a tablet? If you're going to sleep, why care if it's too strong?

Christopher J · 03-23-2007, 10:49 AM

ALR Industries Bad Ass Mass: No side effects and a gain of 6lbs in 26 days (cycle isnt completed yet)
Fizogen Blitz Cycle: Explosive pumps! And good vascularity. Feel pumped all day long

CXM · 03-23-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

I guess that I looked at ZMA for the test claim; it didnt do kaka. Perhaps I should try it again to see if it has any bearing on how I sleep.

When you took ZMA did you take it about an hour before sleeping and on an empty stomach?

I know going on an empty stomach to sleep is not the best either, but if I took ZMA with food, it did not work for me.

ABCs · 03-24-2007, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by juggernaut

why half a tablet? If you're going to sleep, why care if it's too strong?

I remember NNI saying that you only need 2 or so MG of Melatonin to get the sleep aid benefits. It worked wonders though. Nice deep sleep.

misterbig · 03-27-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by What Doesnt Die

Hey guys,
New here so go easy. I've been traiinig for a number of years now and finally got onto a forum. Kind of got fed up with the adverts in the magazines telling me that their product is the most revolutionary and best working product.

So what supplements and by what companies have worked for you? (Whey protien aside - I think we all are up on that)

EG
Creatine Regular monohydrate oVs HCL Vs CEE?
HMB?
ZMA?
NO?

What about the all in ones EG Creatine, glutamine, whey mixes etc? Do you find its better to mix your own from 'cheaper' ingredients bought seperatly. I mean NO is basically arginine so why go for a more expensive NO product like A-AKG? Does it make much difference?

Who are decent manufacturers in your opinion? Ive tried Maximsucle most recently and they are OK. Im currently trying Sci-Mentor which seem to be pretty good. Tried muscletech in the past but was not impressed same with Prolab and EAS. Myprotien seem to get a lot of mentions on here.

What are you favourite stacks?

Cheers guys! Be good to see what companies are hot or not.

Welcome to you bro...I'm new too so,I will post my supplements here for you.
Here we go.

Whey protein : ProCircuit whey concentrate or WheyOne from Whey1.
Creatine: EAS Phosphagen.
Glutamine : AllMax Glutamine.
Pre workout drink: Netrients Detonate.
Testosterone boosters: ZMA from Ultimate Nutrition & Testone from Netrients.
Multi-vitamine: AnimalPak
Acne help : B5 vitamin (NOW Panthotenic acid)
Anabolic booster : Netrients Rage
Maltodextrine: NOW Carbo Gainer.

Plus salmon oil,garlic caps,echinacea and some more C vitamins.

misterbig · 03-27-2007, 02:32 PM

Post work out shake : 2 scoop Whey+3 scoop malto+5g creatine+10g glutamine.

Pre-workout: 2 spoon Detonate in water or fruit juice.

When wake up: AnimalPak+fish oil+2 caps Rage+2 caps Testone+garlic+c vitamin +echinacea+2.5 g B5

Before bed:2-3 ZMA caps+2 caps Rage+2 caps Testone+2.5 g B5.

03-19-2007, 08:52 AM	#1
What Doesnt Die Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2	Supplements YOU think are good Hey guys, New here so go easy. I've been traiinig for a number of years now and finally got onto a forum. Kind of got fed up with the adverts in the magazines telling me that their product is the most revolutionary and best working product. So what supplements and by what companies have worked for you? (Whey protien aside - I think we all are up on that) EG Creatine Regular monohydrate oVs HCL Vs CEE? HMB? ZMA? NO? What about the all in ones EG Creatine, glutamine, whey mixes etc? Do you find its better to mix your own from 'cheaper' ingredients bought seperatly. I mean NO is basically arginine so why go for a more expensive NO product like A-AKG? Does it make much difference? Who are decent manufacturers in your opinion? Ive tried Maximsucle most recently and they are OK. Im currently trying Sci-Mentor which seem to be pretty good. Tried muscletech in the past but was not impressed same with Prolab and EAS. Myprotien seem to get a lot of mentions on here. What are you favourite stacks? Cheers guys! Be good to see what companies are hot or not.

03-19-2007, 09:50 AM	#2
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,992 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	are you just asking about ingredients and not products, or both?
	SBMuscle.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEM Products - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclePharm - Complete Nutritional Arsenal BigBackGrips - If you lift weights you've got to try these grips! HumaneVoLabs - Foaming Transdermal Delivery System. Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) On Sale $17.49 per bottle!

03-19-2007, 10:27 AM	#4
DontStop pappy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Edmonton Posts: 2,592 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 33	ephedrine erm glutamin is baller.
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03-19-2007, 10:27 AM	#5
DontStop pappy Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Edmonton Posts: 2,592 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 33	glutamine**
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03-19-2007, 11:52 PM	#8
code0824 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 150	^^ what site do you buy off of?
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03-19-2007, 10:10 AM	#3
What Doesnt Die Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2	Firstly the best products secondly if anyone has had any sucess in replicating products by buying seperate ingredients and combining them EG GN enrage contians creatine, caffine, gurana, tryosine, tauring, arginine surely its cheaper to but these all seperatly and combine them youself? NO is basically arginine. so whay are we all being ripped off buying NO supplements when arginine is a few quid (UK) from a health food shop? Are ther any benefits to buying an all in one?

03-19-2007, 04:23 PM	#7
YoungGunz88 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 21	For Creatine. i use Micronized by a company called Life Extension. Best Results ive ever had with any creatine. including cell mass, and celltech. Stay away from everything by muscle tech, except for hydroxycut. as for preworkout. If you are affraid of pills for some reason try MHP's TRAC extreme NO. poor taste, amazing results. other than that, i would stick with L-Arginine and B vitimans. considering they are the 2 main ingredients in most prework outs.

03-20-2007, 10:15 PM	#10
emitecaps Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 188	With creatine products you have to try various products and see what works the best for you. I prefer Xceed but a bulk powder CEE or KreAlklyn or even Mono should suffice. I also like bulk beta-alanine, it's an under rated supp since it doesn't produce pumps or boosts test.
emitecaps Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 188

03-20-2007, 10:27 PM	#11
Malley Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 10,021	Protein powders, creatine, multi-vitamins and multi-minerals, efa supps, well thats about all I will purchase.
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03-21-2007, 01:07 PM	#12
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,148 Photos: 2	Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (AAKG) Powder [100 Grams] - $6.99 Other than this, just good food, multivitamin, fish oils twice a day and a good whey product. For fat burning; ECA or herbal burn For creatine; CEE. Ironmag sells both of the above (herbal burn and cee). CHEAP!
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

03-21-2007, 01:11 PM	#13
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,148 Photos: 2	zma=shit. doesnt work. melatonin, when used properly enables me to sleep like a baby.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

03-21-2007, 09:51 PM	#14
emitecaps Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 188	I'll say it again, beta-alanine is a great supplement and is pretty cheap too. It has greatly improved my endurance as I can pedal harder and longer. Certainly a must have if you are an endurance athlete but I'm not sure how much of a benefit it would be to a bodybuilder. It should help you crank out those last reps though so I think it's of benefit.
emitecaps Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 188

03-22-2007, 11:10 AM	#16
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,992 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	ZMA helps promote sleep so I would not say it is shit.
	SBMuscle.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEM Products - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclePharm - Complete Nutritional Arsenal BigBackGrips - If you lift weights you've got to try these grips! HumaneVoLabs - Foaming Transdermal Delivery System. Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL (CEE) On Sale $17.49 per bottle!

03-22-2007, 11:24 AM	#17
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,148 Photos: 2	IMHO Zma sucks. I never had any luck with it. As for promoting sleep, give me a shot of soco anytime and I'm a happy camper.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

03-22-2007, 11:40 AM	#19
Nate K Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,679 Photos: 3	I like the company Primaforce

03-23-2007, 06:24 AM	#21
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,148 Photos: 2	I guess that I looked at ZMA for the test claim; it didnt do kaka. Perhaps I should try it again to see if it has any bearing on how I sleep.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

03-23-2007, 08:42 AM	#23
juggernaut hybrid of machine & skin Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,148 Photos: 2	why half a tablet? If you're going to sleep, why care if it's too strong?
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

03-23-2007, 10:49 AM	#24
Christopher J Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: OH Posts: 205 Photos: 6	ALR Industries Bad Ass Mass: No side effects and a gain of 6lbs in 26 days (cycle isnt completed yet) Fizogen Blitz Cycle: Explosive pumps! And good vascularity. Feel pumped all day long

03-27-2007, 02:32 PM	#28
misterbig IRON WRECKER Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: canada Posts: 8	Post work out shake : 2 scoop Whey+3 scoop malto+5g creatine+10g glutamine. Pre-workout: 2 spoon Detonate in water or fruit juice. When wake up: AnimalPak+fish oil+2 caps Rage+2 caps Testone+garlic+c vitamin +echinacea+2.5 g B5 Before bed:2-3 ZMA caps+2 caps Rage+2 caps Testone+2.5 g B5.