supplement help... (kind of a different story!)

**skinny_guy** · 04-17-2007, 11:53 PM

Whatsup everyone? My name is skinny guy and I need some help with supplements. My story is a little unique in my opinion. In order for you guys to give the best advice I think it will help if you know a little bit about me!!!!

I'm 6'3 and I played basketball my entire life. I received a scholarship to play in college and as some of you know the weight room is a staple of any athletics program at that level. I lifted weights religiously from my junior year of high school thru college. In college I was forced to under go heavy supplementation. Basically, it was just a creatine, a whey protein, at times some NO2 and a multi vitamin. I ABSOLUTELY HATE WEIGHT TRAINING but I did it wholeheartedly due to my love for basketball and I chance to play professionally.
In case you miss read the screen name lol, I'm a skinny guy. While on a strict, heavy, basketball specific program the most I ever weighed was 190. I put up good numbers in the weight room but i ve always had trouble with weight.
Fast forward to the present. I'm 25 now, a few years removed from college basketball and I weigh 160 lbs soaking wet. (Keep in mind I'm 6'3 :-(

I'm looking for some type of supplementation that will slow my metabolism down and help me gain some natural weight. But the catch is, I hate weight training and want to gain weight with minimal or no weight training. I understand I will not gain "good" weight and I have no desire be muscular or anything like that. I'm want to gain this weight from more of a health standpoint (because I've been told my weight is unhealthy) and not a bodybuilding standpoint.

Does anyone have any suggestions???

Thanks for the read!

**slip** · 04-18-2007, 12:28 AM

To slow your metabolism - do less, eat less. This should make you lose muscle, maybe put on some fat, and probably lose weight. Sound good?

(read this thread in context, I used to be super skinny till age 20 when I finally got my shit together, good at sport etc, similar to you)

I have a suggestion - have a look at WHY you hate weight training? The pain, the gym, being self conscious and how you feel when training? Most of my clients have no problem with training, but their self consciousness ends up being the root of displeasure with training. That, or feeling like they will never be happy, can't do it attitude, all the hard work will be for nothing.

Another suggestion - be realistic. You will put on weight through fat or muscle. You know what it takes to build muscle. Your eating has not been good enough to keep the weight on. Eat lots of food and do nothing - put on some fat, and probably some muscle if you lead a healthy-ish lifestyle.

If I was you - Full body workout, 2 x week to start with. 1-2 sets per exercise. Start eating properly (a whole nother thread/issue) and make it part of your healthy lifestyle for the long term. If you do it for the short term, you will just turn back into an unhealthy (so you say), wierd looking rake.

Screw the unhealthyness, it'd be the least of my worries. I was very skinny growing up, and 6'3 @ 160 I would be extremely self conscious and lack confidence with big image problems + insecurity.

Would you be happy to look like this for the rest of your life if it was healthy?

**skinny_guy** · 04-18-2007, 12:57 AM

Slip, thx for well thought out reply. I will answer your questions.

Originally Posted by slip

Attributes of naturally big people.

1. Genetics
or
2. Physically active/demanding lifestyle. By that I mean a farmer, not a bicycle courier.

I am aware of this. I have no desire to be "big." - just no longer want to be so skinny

Originally Posted by slip

To slow your metabolism - do less, eat less. This should make you lose muscle, maybe put on some fat, and probably lose weight. Sound good?

I was told my "fast metabolism" is a reason for my "skinnyness." Did I receive some bad information?
PS the thought of me 'losing more weight' made me LOL literally

Originally Posted by slip

I have a suggestion - have a look at WHY you hate weight training? The pain, the gym, being self conscious and how you feel when training? Most of my clients have no problem with training, but their self consciousness ends up being the root of displeasure with training. That, or feeling like they will never be happy, can't do it attitude, all the hard work will be for nothing.

There's several reasons

1. I was forced to train for basketball purposes before I wanted to.
2. My basketball career is over and I have issues with that. Weight training reminds me of that.
3. I'm lazy. My build/figure requires an insane amount of training and with my displeasure of training I know I will never be able to keep it up (now that my hoop days are over). So I feel like I'm training for no reason all the time

I'm not self conscious AT ALL. I don't care what people think.

Originally Posted by slip

Another suggestion - be realistic. You will put on weight through fat or muscle. You know what it takes to build muscle. Your eating has not been good enough to keep the weight on.

I feel I am realistic. My diet is an issue (if not THE issue). I'd be alright with some fat but I'm also very athletic and hoop 3 days a week at a competitve level

Originally Posted by slip

If you do it for the short term, you will just turn into an unhealthy, really wierd looking rake.

What do u mean by that?

Originally Posted by slip

Screw the unhealthyness, it'd be the least of my worries. I was very skinny growing up, and 6'3 @ 160 I would be extremely self conscious and lack confidence with big image problems + insecurity.

I have zero self confidence problems and am accused of being cocky on a daily basis. If you would like to how I 6'3 160 man can be cocky, ask and ill tell you lol

**skinny_guy** · 04-18-2007, 12:58 AM

Slip, thx for well thought out reply. I will answer your questions.

Originally Posted by slip

Attributes of naturally big people.

1. Genetics
or
2. Physically active/demanding lifestyle. By that I mean a farmer, not a bicycle courier.

I am aware of this. I have no desire to be "big." - just no longer want to be so skinny

Originally Posted by slip

To slow your metabolism - do less, eat less. This should make you lose muscle, maybe put on some fat, and probably lose weight. Sound good?

I was told my "fast metabolism" is a reason for my "skinnyness." Did I receive some bad information?
PS the thought of me 'losing more weight' made me LOL literally

Originally Posted by slip

I have a suggestion - have a look at WHY you hate weight training? The pain, the gym, being self conscious and how you feel when training? Most of my clients have no problem with training, but their self consciousness ends up being the root of displeasure with training. That, or feeling like they will never be happy, can't do it attitude, all the hard work will be for nothing.

There's several reasons

1. I was forced to train for basketball purposes before I wanted to.
2. My basketball career is over and I have issues with that. Weight training reminds me of that.
3. I'm lazy. My build/figure requires an insane amount of training and with my displeasure of training I know I will never be able to keep it up (now that my hoop days are over). So I feel like I'm training for no reason all the time

I'm not self conscious AT ALL. I don't care what people think.

Originally Posted by slip

Another suggestion - be realistic. You will put on weight through fat or muscle. You know what it takes to build muscle. Your eating has not been good enough to keep the weight on.

I feel I am realistic. My diet is an issue (if not THE issue). I'd be alright with some fat but I'm also very athletic and hoop 3 days a week at a competitve level

Originally Posted by slip

If you do it for the short term, you will just turn into an unhealthy, really wierd looking rake.

What do u mean by that?

Originally Posted by slip

Screw the unhealthyness, it'd be the least of my worries. I was very skinny growing up, and 6'3 @ 160 I would be extremely self conscious and lack confidence with big image problems + insecurity.

I have zero self confidence problems and am accused of being cocky on a daily basis. If you would like to how I 6'3 160 man can be cocky, ask and ill tell you lol

**skinny_guy** · 04-18-2007, 12:58 AM

Slip, thx for the well thought out reply. I will answer your questions.

Originally Posted by slip

Attributes of naturally big people.

1. Genetics
or
2. Physically active/demanding lifestyle. By that I mean a farmer, not a bicycle courier.

I am aware of this. I have no desire to be "big." - just no longer want to be so skinny

Originally Posted by slip

To slow your metabolism - do less, eat less. This should make you lose muscle, maybe put on some fat, and probably lose weight. Sound good?

I was told my "fast metabolism" is a reason for my "skinnyness." Did I receive some bad information?
PS the thought of me 'losing more weight' made me LOL literally

Originally Posted by slip

I have a suggestion - have a look at WHY you hate weight training? The pain, the gym, being self conscious and how you feel when training? Most of my clients have no problem with training, but their self consciousness ends up being the root of displeasure with training. That, or feeling like they will never be happy, can't do it attitude, all the hard work will be for nothing.

There's several reasons

1. I was forced to train for basketball purposes before I wanted to.
2. My basketball career is over and I have issues with that. Weight training reminds me of that.
3. I'm lazy. My build/figure requires an insane amount of training and with my displeasure of training I know I will never be able to keep it up (now that my hoop days are over). So I feel like I'm training for no reason all the time

I'm not self conscious AT ALL. I don't care what people think.

Originally Posted by slip

Another suggestion - be realistic. You will put on weight through fat or muscle. You know what it takes to build muscle. Your eating has not been good enough to keep the weight on.

I feel I am realistic. My diet is an issue (if not THE issue). I'd be alright with some fat but I'm also very athletic and hoop 3 days a week at a competitve level

Originally Posted by slip

If you do it for the short term, you will just turn into an unhealthy, really wierd looking rake.

What do u mean by that?

Originally Posted by slip

Screw the unhealthyness, it'd be the least of my worries. I was very skinny growing up, and 6'3 @ 160 I would be extremely self conscious and lack confidence with big image problems + insecurity.

I have zero self confidence problems and am accused of being cocky on a daily basis. If you would like to how I 6'3 160 man can be cocky, ask and ill tell you lol

**zombul** · 04-18-2007, 01:03 AM

**skinny_guy** · 04-18-2007, 01:10 AM

Sorry about the triple post. I'm posting from my phone. Can a mod please delete them?

**slip** · 04-18-2007, 01:42 AM

Mental
If you have no body issues, thats awesome. But you say you no longer want to be skinny - why? You are obviously healthy enough to play competitive ball. I was very good at sales, came off as a bit arrogant, rep level sport in high school etc, but had major body issues/insecurities. I wasn't conscious of it at the time, but when I look back its obvious. If you don't - awesome. But to me, "no longer wanting to be skinny" and "no body issues at all" seems all too familiar and doesn't sit right.

The training.
I think an important point you make is that your build requires an insane amount of weight training. I would argue this is not the case. Right now, pretty much anything will make you grow, you even walk past a squat rack and you'll probably put on 10lb. Compare this to bodybuilder whos at 220lb and has to work real hard to get bigger - the work he has to put in to improve on what he already has is worlds apart from what you need to do.

Can you train with a workout partner? That may help take your mind off the past. You need to look at the future, and look after yourself. Getting bigger will help your current ball game as well, which is more important that whatever happened back in the day. Time to get over it and move on.

Seriously, full body, twice a week would work wonders, with proper eating that is.....

The Diet.
With creatine and protein supplementation, AND having trouble growing was probably a diet issue. You have a fast metabolism, played a lot of sport, trained hard, and were growing up, you would have needed a LOT of carbs, and a decent amount of fats on top of the probably sufficient protein intake you had. I went through so much food at that stage, I thought it was ridiculous, but when I look back, it wasnt really that much - infrequent big meals, no consistency etc.

Heres my day, and I'm on a diet (6' 182lb)
6am Oats + yoghurt
9am Chicken + rice (pre made, put into plastic containers)
12pm Chicken + rice
3pm Chicken + rice
6pm Chicken + rice
9pm Shake

Often guys like us really need to up the carbs especially, and eat better food. I ate shitloads during highschool, but it was all tasty and delicious shit. Some of it was alright but on a whole, for getting bigger, it was rubbish. Eating a lot doesn't automatically mean getting bigger.

If you could give us an example of your last 3 days of eating, I think it would give a big insight into your position.

The unhealthy rake comment - if you don't make training, or at least eating properly a regular part of a long term healthy lifestyle, you will just end up back where you are. This isn't a quick fix, it has to be a change in how you live and function. You will learn a lot from this.

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