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    why does "cycling" on creatine sound like "cycling" on steriods?

    I am 28 years old, about 170, and I for the most part have been all natural my whole life, just taking protien shakes after I work out.

    I want to expirment with creatine this summer, and I am researching on just how to take this.

    I read something here

    Creatine: Beyond the Confusion - Part II

    which states

    The common practice for taking creatine is to "load" creatine for five to seven days, then continue to take a "maintenance" amount indefinitely. For example, most supplement manufacturers recommend 20 grams of creatine be taken in five-gram servings for five to seven days followed by five grams per day after that.

    ok, then it says

    Dr. Serrano's Recommendations:

    Week 1 .35g of creatine per kg of bodyweight Week 6.35g of creatine per kg of bodyweight
    Week 2-4 .15g of creatine per kg of bodyweight Week 7.15g of creatine per kg of bodyweight
    Week 5 Off
    Week 8-10 Off


    Although I have no scientific evidence to prove Dr. Serrano's system is better, I believe that using body weight and cycling creatine is more beneficial than the standard 20g-load/5g maintenance protocol. Obviously, a 250-pound muscle-head requires more creatine than a 105-pound bikini model.



    now I am wondering, which is better, to cycle on and off, or to just keep taking the creatine "forever"?

    The article says to mix creatine with sugar?? (sugar makes fat right?)

    I am scared to take this stuff, as I already have enough energy to work out, all I am looking for is to gain muscle and keep the fat off

    also, what is the highest quality creatine that a person can take? the good stuff

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    Those are some pretty good questions. First off, there is a lot of controversy in the topic of cycling creatine. I don't cycle it because there is nothing conclusive about any negative effects of not cycling it. Some cycle, some don't. Creatine and sugar: people will mix creatine with sugar to increase absorbance. I'm not sure how much of an insulin effect that will have but I will tell you that the monohydrate creatine I take has some mono and di saccharides mixed it it. Don't be scared to take creatine. it's a great thing to supplement. The only negative side effect I can think of is dehydration. Drink your water and you will be fine. As far as highest quality, give creatine monohydrate a go and if that's no good try ethyl creatine. The only thing that matters is the creatine molecule itself.
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    some believe that you need to load to saturate the cells, I don't.

    some believe you need to cycle on and off, I don't.

    if you're suing creatine monohydrate "sugar" increases absorption, if you use CEE - Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL there is no need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    some believe that you need to load to saturate the cells, I don't.

    some believe you need to cycle on and off, I don't.

    if you're suing creatine monohydrate "sugar" increases absorption, if you use CEE - Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL there is no need.
    I am curious as to see what memebers have tried what for the best results.

    I am going to start taking creatine this summer. Basically, I plan to load up for 5 days, while I work out hard, and then 5 grams a day after that.

    my question is when I am loading, when should I take this creatine? In the morning? 20 or more of creatine a day is a little under an ounce. In the morning? during the day? should I just drink 20 grams at once?

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    I would not load. 5g is a great amount to supplement daily. There have been some threads regarding the loading issue, you can do a search on this site for some previous creatine threads that have good information.
    Take it roughly 15 minutes before you train and afterwards (meaning 2.5 grams before and 2.5 afterwards).
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    Cycling on creatine sounds like cycing on steroids because the word "cycle" is in both of them.
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    my friend used creatine in high school and now he has cancer and he is bald, and his balls got smaller, and he grew breasts

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    bad luck to your friend, but im sure you know that is not a direct result of creatine supplementation.... otherwise the medical industry and asossiated drug and food corporations would have and interesting case study/model to answer to..

    Moral of the story is, some sources say load, others dont. some say yes, some say no. I say potato, you say potatoe..

    try the shit for yourself, you dont like then dont do.. simple as that

    me i just use the 3-5g daily in a shake PWO, and non workout days just take that same amount with water in the AM. Havent died from it yet !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NordicNacho View Post
    my friend used creatine in high school and now he has cancer and he is bald, and his balls got smaller, and he grew breasts


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    I dont think Ive ever had this answered..

    If creatine mono requires one to drink some sort of sugar enriched drink for it to work + gives some people bloating feelings, why would anyone do mono over ethyl ester. Are there any pros or cons of both?
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    no studies on ethyl ester. all have been done on mono so i'll stick with what works for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by soxmuscle View Post
    Cycling on creatine sounds like cycing on steroids because the word "cycle" is in both of them.

    yes, but I never heard of someone "cycling" on protein or supplements, it makes more sense to take creatine as a supplement then eating almost an ounce of day of the stuff.

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