Thread: Creatine and Whey...I'm lost..

drink them separately. I never take whey before lifting. I take 2.5 g creatine, then lift, 2.5 g creatine right after lifting and then my shack.

I would just drink them separately. You drink more water that way, which in turns helps you flush your kidneys. There is no reason not to.

when i do creatine, I drop 2 tbsp of pure dextrose or waxy maize into my whey drink with 5g of creatine mono. Works for me. I believe I remember seeing research done that when combining the said ingredients above, there is better assimilation.

I take 2 1/2 gms of creatine, and 5 gms of glutamine before my workout and the same after.

I use whey in my shakes before and after working out, and I also use one scoop for a snack if I have a lot of clients back to back. Whey is great source of protein before and after your workout.

Hey thanks guys for your help...just one more question, what should be my creatine intake per day during my 5 day loading phase?

i think people take 15-20g when loading. Why do you load by the way? I've heard from several sources (this site being one) that it doesn't have much of an effect.

It gets more creatine into your system faster if you load it. Its not necissary

I would just take 5g post workout in a juice. Then 15-20mins later drink a shake. I also use R-ALA to help with glycogen uptake.

I should note I use CEE mixed in a small amount of swolev3 post workout

theres new research out there that you can do a 2 day basic 20g loading phase. I tried it and it does work.

Originally Posted by PreMier

It gets more creatine into your system faster if you load it. Its not necissary

I would just take 5g post workout in a juice. Then 15-20mins later drink a shake. I also use R-ALA to help with glycogen uptake.

I should note I use CEE mixed in a small amount of swolev3 post workout

Originally Posted by juggernaut

theres new research out there that you can do a 2 day basic 20g loading phase. I tried it and it does work.

I never said loading didnt work.. I said its not necissary. If you load vs no load you will get to the same point. Not to mention most of the creatine during loading you will piss out.

Plus who did the research? Do you have a link to a case study showing the muscle saturation levels of loading vs non loading subjects?

Oh and saying it 'works'. Define works..

I like these questions.

Originally Posted by PreMier

I never said loading didnt work.. I said its not necissary. If you load vs no load you will get to the same point. Not to mention most of the creatine during loading you will piss out.

Plus who did the research? Do you have a link to a case study showing the muscle saturation levels of loading vs non loading subjects?

Oh and saying it 'works'. Define works..

I dont remember where exactly the case study took place nor do I have muscle saturation levels, nor do I give a shit..I usually dont keep end results of case studies in my research binders...sorry...I really dont waste time with shit like the shit you asked. I say if it works and has some case study research behind it as opposed to personal conjecture, which I am vehemently against as real mean data; then make it a go. If it works, it works.

by definition, when something works, it means it works. what the fuck do you need? a fucking recording of each time I wipe my ass to say that something worked for me?

^I'm certainly not trying to start argument, but saying it works does not sound satisfying enough. Anyways, I tried loading and it didn't seem to do much for me so I decided to save my money with it and just do 5g/day. Glad to hear you had success with it.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I dont remember where exactly the case study took place nor do I have muscle saturation levels, nor do I give a shit..I usually dont keep end results of case studies in my research binders...sorry...I really dont waste time with shit like the shit you asked. I say if it works and has some case study research behind it as opposed to personal conjecture, which I am vehemently against as real mean data; then make it a go. If it works, it works.

by definition, when something works, it means it works. what the fuck do you need? a fucking recording of each time I wipe my ass to say that something worked for me?

take a chill pill there fucker.. I was just asking questions. if the questions I ask, or the answers im giving scare you, then maybe you should stop reading hahaha

the whole point is, it's not neccessary to load the end result will be the same as far as it's effectiveness on your training...

the main reason why any serious weight trainer should supplement with creatine is it's effect on ATP production and storage. the long term results will be the same whether creatine is loaded or not. it's the training that goes along with the supplmentation that makes the real difference...

^ I agree

Originally Posted by PreMier

take a chill pill there fucker.. I was just asking questions. if the questions I ask, or the answers im giving scare you, then maybe you should stop reading hahaha

the whole point is, it's not neccessary to load the end result will be the same as far as it's effectiveness on your training...

the main reason why any serious weight trainer should supplement with creatine is it's effect on ATP production and storage. the long term results will be the same whether creatine is loaded or not. it's the training that goes along with the supplmentation that makes the real difference...

fucker?

actually after reading my post this morning and realizing what a dick I came off as, I apologize. However, I might be an asshole...BUT A FUCKER?

Anyway, I did read this and wanted to share my experience since I was a nonresponder to basic mono. I tried mono again and did the shorter 2 day loading period after reading it in a study which I cannot name by memory and I figured I'd give it a shot. It worked.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

fucker?

You were being a jackass. You deserved alot more than just "fucker" which is why I'm going to add to it:

If you say that you read a study and someone asks who or where it was performed because they are curious, the nice thing to do if you don't have that information is to just say, flat out, "I'm a fucking retard, I read a fake study, I have no idea where I read it, and it probably isn't true." Then, if you bypass this step and be a jackass in your original response, you deserve physical harm which will come in the form of me kicking you in the nuts in 15 minutes to a half.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

actually after reading my post this morning and realizing what a dick I came off as, I apologize. However, I might be an asshole...BUT A FUCKER?

Anyway, I did read this and wanted to share my experience since I was a nonresponder to basic mono. I tried mono again and did the shorter 2 day loading period after reading it in a study which I cannot name by memory and I figured I'd give it a shot. It worked.

Nice apology. I apologize for wanting to kick you in the groin.

If you aren't a responder to Mono, why try and manipulate how you take it when you can just switch to CEE and see the benefits immediately?

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Nice apology. I apologize for wanting to kick you in the groin.

If you aren't a responder to Mono, why try and manipulate how you take it when you can just switch to CEE and see the benefits immediately?

thank you for not kicking my balls into my throat. Its very much appreciated.

Secondly, because I hadnt taken mono or any other creatine in such a long time (almost 2 years), that I wanted to see if anything changed. I took the facts that the body changes every so many years-for example, I am no allergic to pollen, three years ago I was badly allergic. Now I can relax on my deck with my wife and be social without wheezing and itching. My second tthought was that I heard some things about what cee does to the liver-i think i saw it on this site; anyway I take seizure medication and that can mess the liver up pretty badly, so I watch what I do and do a lot of water drinking. At least two gallons to flush shitty toxins from the meds.

btw-i think the magic ingredient in this story was that the mono had been micronized...dont know, but perhaps?