glucosamine

vortrit · 08-20-2007, 09:53 AM

Anyone take it, have any experience with it, have any thing they'd like to share about it. I'm aware that they are a few different types, etc. I'd just like to get some more info.

**Jodi** · 08-20-2007, 09:56 AM

What are you looking to use it for?

vortrit · 08-20-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

What are you looking to use it for?

I have a foot injury right now (plantar fasciitis) and I read here and a few other places it may be helpful.

"One small, placebo-controlled study has shown a beneficial effect from glucosamine"

**Prince** · 08-20-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by vortrit

Anyone take it, have any experience with it, have any thing they'd like to share about it. I'm aware that they are a few different types, etc. I'd just like to get some more info.

my wife and I both use a Glucosomine/Chondroiten supplement and swear by it.

PreMier · 08-20-2007, 10:06 AM

Great supplement.. I buy the one with chondroiten and MSM. The thing is, it takes a while for you to feel the effects(less joint pain/popping). Probably in excess of 30days. At first I thought that it wasnt working, and that it was a waste of money.. but when i stopped taking it thats when I noticed the difference. So I use it adamantly now

Description Glucosamine is an aminopolysaccharide (a combination of an amino acid - glutamine and a sugar - glucose). Glucosamine is concentrated in joint cartilage where it is incorporated in longer chains known as glycosaminoglycans and finally into very large structures known as proteoglycans. The proteoglycans function to attract water into the joint space for lubrication of the cartilage during movement.

Claims Reverses osteoarthritis
Protects joints and tendons from injury
Decreases inflammation

Theory The principle behind glucosamine supplementation is that the glucosamine is delivered to the joint space and incorporated into proteoglycans of joint cartilage to maintain structure and repair damage. Glucosamine may also stimulate chondrocytes (cartilage cells) to begin producing healthy new cartilage matrix (both collagen and proteoglycans).

Scientific Support There are numerous European studies showing a clear benefit of glucosamine supplements for relief of joint pain and stiffness associated with arthritis. Many of the studies have been criticized for lack of scientific control, short duration and small size, but recent meta-analyses of the smaller studies have supported the beneficial role of glucosamine supplements as a safe and effective approach to treating osteoarthritis. In general 1-3 months of glucosamine supplementation seems to be more effective than a placebo and at least as effective as analgesic and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID), like acetaminophen and ibuprofen, in reducing the joint pain of osteoarthritis. Until more rigorous studies are conducted in the United States, the Arthritis Foundation has stated that it cannot recommend glucosamine supplements as a treatment for osteoarthritis, but this stand has not stopped the Foundation from accepting financial support from the producer of the best selling brand of glucosamine supplements on the market – Rexall Sundown’s Osteo-Bi-Flex. Perhaps the supplements with the best clinical substantiation are Dona from Rotta Labs and Cosamin from NutraMax Labs.

Safety Occasional symptoms of gastrointestinal discomfort have been noted, but no significant adverse effects have been noted with glucosamine supplementation. Although there have been no long-term safety studies conducted in humans, animal studies on glucosamine have found it to be non-toxic. Diabetics may want to exercise a degree of caution when using glucosamine supplements, as there have been several animal studies and one small human pilot study that have suggested an increase in blood sugar levels during regular glucosamine consumption (though most of the animal studies have used injections of glucosamine).

Value Glucosamine supplements tend to be among the more expensive products on the shelf. A one-month supply of capsules can range from $15 to well over $100. Because they have to be consumed for 1-3 months before any noticeable benefit is apparent, you may need to invest a significant amount of money before you realize any benefits. However, because arthritis pain is one of the most debilitating conditions, most people dealing with such pain would gladly invest a dollar or so per day in a supplement that relieved their discomfort and helped repair their damaged cartilage tissue. For people with existing chronic joint pain, glucosamine supplements are probably worth the significant dollar investment for the benefits that they deliver. For those individuals with intermittent joint pain or those with more mild joint stiffness, the high cost associated with glucosamine supplements may not be justified - and the money might be better spent on other more relevant supplements.

Dosage No dose-response studies have been conducted with glucosamine supplements. Virtually all oral supplementation studies on glucosamine have used 1500mg per day - usually in 3 divided doses of 500mg each. While this level appears to be an effective dose, there is no information to suggest that a higher does would work better or faster - or that a lower dose would be less effective. A common supplementation strategy, which can decrease the daily cost of supplements, is to consume 1500mg of glucosamine per day for the first 60-90 days of your regimen, followed by a reduced intake of 250-750mg per day as a "maintenance level." Following the initial 60-90 day period, dosage levels can be increased or decreased based on individual pain and stiffness levels.

Related Supplements Chondroitin

References 1. Barclay TS, Tsourounis C, McCart GM. Glucosamine. Ann Pharmacother. 1998 May;32(5):574-9. 2. da Camara CC, Dowless GV. Glucosamine sulfate for osteoarthritis. Ann Pharmacother. 1998 May;32(5):580-7. 3. Deal CL, Moskowitz RW. Nutraceuticals as therapeutic agents in osteoarthritis. The role of glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, and collagen hydrolysate. Rheum Dis Clin North Am. 1999 May;25(2):379-95. 4. Delafuente JC. Glucosamine in the treatment of osteoarthritis. Rheum Dis Clin North Am. 2000 Feb;26(1):1-11. 5. Denham AC, Newton WP. Are glucosamine and chondroitin effective in treating osteoarthritis? J Fam Pract. 2000 Jun;49(6):571-2. 6. Donohoe M. Efficacy of glucosamine and chondroitin for treatment of osteoarthritis. JAMA. 2000 Sep 13;284(10):1241; discussion 1242. 7. Houpt JB, McMillan R, Wein C, Paget-Dellio SD. Effect of glucosamine hydrochloride in the treatment of pain of osteoarthritis of the knee. J Rheumatol. 1999 Nov;26(11):2423-30. 8. Leeb BF, Schweitzer H, Montag K, Smolen JS. A metaanalysis of chondroitin sulfate in the treatment of osteoarthritis. J Rheumatol. 2000 Jan;27(1):205-11. 9. Leffler CT, Philippi AF, Leffler SG, Mosure JC, Kim PD. Glucosamine, chondroitin, and manganese ascorbate for degenerative joint disease of the knee or low back: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled pilot study. Mil Med. 1999 Feb;164(2):85-91. 10. Mautone G. Efficacy of glucosamine and chondroitin for treatment of osteoarthritis. JAMA. 2000 Sep 13;284(10):1241; discussion 1242. 11. McAlindon TE, LaValley MP, Felson DT. Efficacy of glucosamine and chondroitin for treatment of osteoarthritis. JAMA. 2000 Sep 13;284(10):1241. 12. McAlindon TE, LaValley MP, Gulin JP, Felson DT. Glucosamine and chondroitin for treatment of osteoarthritis: a systematic quality assessment and meta-analysis. JAMA. 2000 Mar 15;283(11):1469-75. 13. Rindone JP, Hiller D, Collacott E, Nordhaugen N, Arriola G. Randomized, controlled trial of glucosamine for treating osteoarthritis of the knee. West J Med. 2000 Feb;172(2):91-4. 14. Towheed TE, Anastassiades TP. Glucosamine and chondroitin for treating symptoms of osteoarthritis: evidence is widely touted but incomplete. JAMA. 2000 Mar 15;283(11):1483-4.

PreMier · 08-20-2007, 10:09 AM

oh here is what I use. Make sure its triple strength

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AKIRA · 08-20-2007, 10:16 AM

Is this something youd have to keep taking forever if you dont want pain? It says it "reverses osteoarthritis," so eventually you wont need to buy this anymore yes?

I remember seeing this in the older store I worked at and yes its expensive.

vortrit · 08-20-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

oh here is what I use. Make sure its triple strength

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Thanks very informative.

**Jodi** · 08-20-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

oh here is what I use. Make sure its triple strength

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That's a decent one.

I'm more partial to the Jarrow brand though.

vortrit · 08-20-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

That's a decent one.

I'm more partial to the Jarrow brand though.

They have some at the health food store made by NOW for 50% off right now. I've had pretty good luck with their products so far.

PreMier · 08-20-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

That's a decent one.

I'm more partial to the Jarrow brand though.

I use the russian root from jarrow. Do you have a link to the one you use? I use the triple strength because I only have to take it once a day

**Jodi** · 08-20-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

I use the russian root from jarrow. Do you have a link to the one you use? I use the triple strength because I only have to take it once a day

Anything for you.

Glucosamine + Chondroitin + MSM Combination, 240 Capsules

PreMier · 08-20-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

Anything for you.

Glucosamine + Chondroitin + MSM Combination, 240 Capsules

Ok, i noticed that what im using vs wha tyour using they have different types of glucosamine..
Triple Flex Glucosamine / Chondroitin + MSM - Nature Made

naturemade - Glucosamine Hydrochloride
jarrow - Glucosamine Sulfate

Is there a difference?

**Jodi** · 08-20-2007, 11:01 AM

I don't believe there is because sulfate is made from the hcl but with added potassiums.

PreMier · 08-20-2007, 12:21 PM

Cool. Jarrow is way cheaper, I will probably get that next time

**dg806** · 08-20-2007, 12:59 PM

I also think it is worth it as I have used it before, But at the dosage it takes to get relief, it is expensive.

vortrit · 10-12-2007, 07:13 PM

I have to say I've been taking this awhile now, and it's one thing I don't think I could give up.

Delusional · 10-12-2007, 10:01 PM

wait..sorry...so which one do you recommend then? jarrow?

PreMier · 10-13-2007, 10:35 AM

yes, its cheaper

**Jodi** · 10-13-2007, 02:55 PM

vortrit - which brand did you decide to go with?

Jake are you using Jarrow now too?

vortrit · 10-13-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jodi

vortrit - which brand did you decide to go with?

Jake are you using Jarrow now too?

For now I am taking the NOW foods one because the local health food store had a couple of bottles on their clearance shelf for 50% off, and I have not finished those yet. When those are gone I will be going with the Jarrow one.

njc · 10-20-2007, 05:13 PM

I did a paper on glucosacamine in school and was forced to reference only peer-reviewed scientific journals. I wish I still had the paper but I remember that my conclusion was that based on studies; glucosacamine can be effective in realiving pain relative to degenerative joint issues but is probably less effective in actually imporving the decreased functional capacity that is a result of joint issues.

PreMier · 10-22-2007, 07:10 AM

when i buy supplements, i usually buy a lot haha.. so i have a bottle of the triple flex still, but once its gone, i will be buying jarrow. i like jarrow, i use their russian root

vortrit · 10-22-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

when i buy supplements, i usually buy a lot haha.. so i have a bottle of the triple flex still, but once its gone, i will be buying jarrow. i like jarrow, i use their russian root

Yeah, I'm def. going to go with the jarrow once I run out of what I've got.

soxmuscle · 04-02-2008, 06:09 PM

Just received the Jarrow formula in the mail.

I would obviously prefer to take all four at once, but is it better to split up the dosage with a 2am/2pm routine?

The bottle just says 4 per day.

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PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,055 Photos: 2	Great supplement.. I buy the one with chondroiten and MSM. The thing is, it takes a while for you to feel the effects(less joint pain/popping). Probably in excess of 30days. At first I thought that it wasnt working, and that it was a waste of money.. but when i stopped taking it thats when I noticed the difference. So I use it adamantly now Description Glucosamine is an aminopolysaccharide (a combination of an amino acid - glutamine and a sugar - glucose). Glucosamine is concentrated in joint cartilage where it is incorporated in longer chains known as glycosaminoglycans and finally into very large structures known as proteoglycans. The proteoglycans function to attract water into the joint space for lubrication of the cartilage during movement. Claims Reverses osteoarthritis Protects joints and tendons from injury Decreases inflammation Theory The principle behind glucosamine supplementation is that the glucosamine is delivered to the joint space and incorporated into proteoglycans of joint cartilage to maintain structure and repair damage. Glucosamine may also stimulate chondrocytes (cartilage cells) to begin producing healthy new cartilage matrix (both collagen and proteoglycans). Scientific Support There are numerous European studies showing a clear benefit of glucosamine supplements for relief of joint pain and stiffness associated with arthritis. Many of the studies have been criticized for lack of scientific control, short duration and small size, but recent meta-analyses of the smaller studies have supported the beneficial role of glucosamine supplements as a safe and effective approach to treating osteoarthritis. In general 1-3 months of glucosamine supplementation seems to be more effective than a placebo and at least as effective as analgesic and non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID), like acetaminophen and ibuprofen, in reducing the joint pain of osteoarthritis. Until more rigorous studies are conducted in the United States, the Arthritis Foundation has stated that it cannot recommend glucosamine supplements as a treatment for osteoarthritis, but this stand has not stopped the Foundation from accepting financial support from the producer of the best selling brand of glucosamine supplements on the market – Rexall Sundown’s Osteo-Bi-Flex. Perhaps the supplements with the best clinical substantiation are Dona from Rotta Labs and Cosamin from NutraMax Labs. Safety Occasional symptoms of gastrointestinal discomfort have been noted, but no significant adverse effects have been noted with glucosamine supplementation. Although there have been no long-term safety studies conducted in humans, animal studies on glucosamine have found it to be non-toxic. Diabetics may want to exercise a degree of caution when using glucosamine supplements, as there have been several animal studies and one small human pilot study that have suggested an increase in blood sugar levels during regular glucosamine consumption (though most of the animal studies have used injections of glucosamine). Value Glucosamine supplements tend to be among the more expensive products on the shelf. A one-month supply of capsules can range from $15 to well over $100. Because they have to be consumed for 1-3 months before any noticeable benefit is apparent, you may need to invest a significant amount of money before you realize any benefits. However, because arthritis pain is one of the most debilitating conditions, most people dealing with such pain would gladly invest a dollar or so per day in a supplement that relieved their discomfort and helped repair their damaged cartilage tissue. For people with existing chronic joint pain, glucosamine supplements are probably worth the significant dollar investment for the benefits that they deliver. For those individuals with intermittent joint pain or those with more mild joint stiffness, the high cost associated with glucosamine supplements may not be justified - and the money might be better spent on other more relevant supplements. Dosage No dose-response studies have been conducted with glucosamine supplements. Virtually all oral supplementation studies on glucosamine have used 1500mg per day - usually in 3 divided doses of 500mg each. While this level appears to be an effective dose, there is no information to suggest that a higher does would work better or faster - or that a lower dose would be less effective. A common supplementation strategy, which can decrease the daily cost of supplements, is to consume 1500mg of glucosamine per day for the first 60-90 days of your regimen, followed by a reduced intake of 250-750mg per day as a "maintenance level." Following the initial 60-90 day period, dosage levels can be increased or decreased based on individual pain and stiffness levels. Related Supplements Chondroitin References 1. Barclay TS, Tsourounis C, McCart GM. Glucosamine. Ann Pharmacother. 1998 May;32(5):574-9. 2. da Camara CC, Dowless GV. Glucosamine sulfate for osteoarthritis. Ann Pharmacother. 1998 May;32(5):580-7. 3. Deal CL, Moskowitz RW. Nutraceuticals as therapeutic agents in osteoarthritis. The role of glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, and collagen hydrolysate. Rheum Dis Clin North Am. 1999 May;25(2):379-95. 4. Delafuente JC. Glucosamine in the treatment of osteoarthritis. Rheum Dis Clin North Am. 2000 Feb;26(1):1-11. 5. Denham AC, Newton WP. Are glucosamine and chondroitin effective in treating osteoarthritis? J Fam Pract. 2000 Jun;49(6):571-2. 6. Donohoe M. Efficacy of glucosamine and chondroitin for treatment of osteoarthritis. JAMA. 2000 Sep 13;284(10):1241; discussion 1242. 7. Houpt JB, McMillan R, Wein C, Paget-Dellio SD. Effect of glucosamine hydrochloride in the treatment of pain of osteoarthritis of the knee. J Rheumatol. 1999 Nov;26(11):2423-30. 8. Leeb BF, Schweitzer H, Montag K, Smolen JS. A metaanalysis of chondroitin sulfate in the treatment of osteoarthritis. J Rheumatol. 2000 Jan;27(1):205-11. 9. Leffler CT, Philippi AF, Leffler SG, Mosure JC, Kim PD. Glucosamine, chondroitin, and manganese ascorbate for degenerative joint disease of the knee or low back: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled pilot study. Mil Med. 1999 Feb;164(2):85-91. 10. Mautone G. Efficacy of glucosamine and chondroitin for treatment of osteoarthritis. JAMA. 2000 Sep 13;284(10):1241; discussion 1242. 11. McAlindon TE, LaValley MP, Felson DT. Efficacy of glucosamine and chondroitin for treatment of osteoarthritis. JAMA. 2000 Sep 13;284(10):1241. 12. McAlindon TE, LaValley MP, Gulin JP, Felson DT. Glucosamine and chondroitin for treatment of osteoarthritis: a systematic quality assessment and meta-analysis. JAMA. 2000 Mar 15;283(11):1469-75. 13. Rindone JP, Hiller D, Collacott E, Nordhaugen N, Arriola G. Randomized, controlled trial of glucosamine for treating osteoarthritis of the knee. West J Med. 2000 Feb;172(2):91-4. 14. Towheed TE, Anastassiades TP. Glucosamine and chondroitin for treating symptoms of osteoarthritis: evidence is widely touted but incomplete. JAMA. 2000 Mar 15;283(11):1483-4.
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