gopro - pro-hormone advice?

cult_status · 06-18-2002, 10:11 AM

This is a question for gopro, but anyone can feel free to give advice.

Gopro,
i've read alot of your postings on pro-hormone advice and found it informative.

I've been doing BB to keep fit, i'm 37, 5'9" and stuggling to break 150lbs. Would you advise me to use a pro-hormone product, and if so which one?

My fitness regime consist of 3 x 30-60 min sessions at the gym & 1 x 45 min anabolic (cycling on sunday).

My diet is not perfect but I do try to eat every 3-4 hours, and take in over 2500 cals & 150g protein. However, I have been leaving out eating a meal last thing, as i've been taking ZMA (which has helped with cramping) & GABA (which has helped with my sleep patterns), until this week.

**gopro** · 06-19-2002, 09:24 AM

I was just gonna answer this and now I need to take a call...I'll be back

bigss75 · 06-19-2002, 10:07 AM

I dont know nothing about prohormones but I bet you if you up your protein intake you would get bigger.

**gopro** · 06-19-2002, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cult_status
This is a question for gopro, but anyone can feel free to give advice.

Gopro,
i've read alot of your postings on pro-hormone advice and found it informative.

I've been doing BB to keep fit, i'm 37, 5'9" and stuggling to break 150lbs. Would you advise me to use a pro-hormone product, and if so which one?

My fitness regime consist of 3 x 30-60 min sessions at the gym & 1 x 45 min anabolic (cycling on sunday).

My diet is not perfect but I do try to eat every 3-4 hours, and take in over 2500 cals & 150g protein. However, I have been leaving out eating a meal last thing, as i've been taking ZMA (which has helped with cramping) & GABA (which has helped with my sleep patterns), until this week.

Ok, would I advise you to use a pro-hormone product? Well, that is up to you my friend! It might work well for you and it might not. If you do use one, you can try either 1-AD or 1-Test. There are several brands of each...Ergopharm, Supertech, VPX, SAN, Syntrax, Molecular Nutrition, etc.

Other advice I have for you is to eat every 2.5 hours, and try for 200 g of protein each day. You can also try a good creatine supplement to boost bodyweight.

I wish you luck!

cult_status · 06-20-2002, 06:03 AM

Cheers gopro.

I'll try altering my diet & eat more protein. I'm looking to move jobs shortly so this may help.

Thanks for the advice.

**gopro** · 06-20-2002, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cult_status
Cheers gopro.

I'll try altering my diet & eat more protein. I'm looking to move jobs shortly so this may help.

Thanks for the advice.

Glad to help!!

GYM GURU · 06-21-2002, 12:59 PM

I have friends who try prohormones & they say the best ones to use are the transdermal rubbing kind. You rub a prohormone jel on your body. They say the ones taken orally don't get digested well. just my .02

**gopro** · 06-21-2002, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GYM GURU
I have friends who try prohormones & they say the best ones to use are the transdermal rubbing kind. You rub a prohormone jel on your body. They say the ones taken orally don't get digested well. just my .02

FALSE! Your buds are wrong!

tidalwaverus · 06-22-2002, 08:01 AM

Great info I respect your opinion alot because you train natural
in a contest does either of the roid's disqualify you ?

**gopro** · 06-23-2002, 11:04 AM

I am not allowed to use ANY pro-hormone to prepare for a show. 1-AD, 1-Test, 4-AD, etc, are all on the banned list! They are quite strict in the INBF/WNBF with their rules...I just wish they were as strict with their "testing methods."

Preacher · 06-23-2002, 12:39 PM

Quote:

What is the point of winning if you know you cheated ?

I think it's harder to loose a "natural" competition to a freak with a gorilla-sized belly and blood-strain eyes ..

It must be REALLY hard not to go AS the day after ...

**gopro** · 06-24-2002, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tidalwaverus
like speed, coke etc. do people use them to cut before a show?
but only get tested for roids?

What is the point of winning if you know you cheated

I don't think speed, coke, etc is too prevalent, however, drugs like T3, clen, GH, and many steroids are still used by these cheating bastards.

They know they can pas the polygraph...thats easy...then they only urine test either randomly or just the top 3 in each class. But they know about blocking drugs or when to get off which drugs when, in order to test clean.

There is no point in cheating to win, but its done all the time and they still get the glory...it pisses me off so f'n much. I'm suprised I've come as far as I have totally drug free!

**gopro** · 06-24-2002, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Preacher
I think it's harder to loose a "natural" competition to a freak with a gorilla-sized belly and blood-strain eyes ..

It must be REALLY hard not to go AS the day after ...

Sooooo hard not to...especially b/c I know I am a hair from turning pro as a heavyweight which is very very difficult. I know that with just a bit of juice I could be a freak...but, I have won the war of temptation so far!

tidalwaverus · 06-24-2002, 10:30 PM

hang in there Gopro, It has to be obvious to the judges who is been on juice

come on they must know whats up what about hair test ?

can you protest if you think the winner is on juice?

so what your telling me is the cheaters are good at what they do
that sucks !

GYM GURU · 06-25-2002, 12:39 PM

Gopro, whats wrong with those transdermal type prohormones. My last show was great as far as urine testing. As soon as I won my weight class there were two guys who escorted me straight to the testing room. The polygraph is bull & a waste of money. I think all class winners should be urine tested in all shows.

**gopro** · 06-25-2002, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GYM GURU
Gopro, whats wrong with those transdermal type prohormones. My last show was great as far as urine testing. As soon as I won my weight class there were two guys who escorted me straight to the testing room. The polygraph is bull & a waste of money. I think all class winners should be urine tested in all shows.

Some transdermals are effective if they have an effective delivery system to get the ingredients through the skin...most don't! Besides, the oral versions of 1-AD and 1-Test are absorbed quite well.

I'm glad you're show was great as far as testing goes, but many guys know how to beat these tests quite easily...and most of the time they only test the top 1 or 2 guys...what about the rest? Maybe there are other guys in the top 5 on drugs! They should randomly test everyone with no warning that is entering the show

At the WNBF (pro level) there are many many guys on juice as there is prize money and prestige involved. It sucks!

**dg806** · 06-25-2002, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gopro

At the WNBF (pro level) there are many many guys on juice as there is prize money and prestige involved. It sucks!

I think at pro level(any sport) , this is the case! You have to if you want to compete! That is why I think they should crack down on it. Ex. MLB. It has gotten way out of hand! Make everyone play on the same level!!

**gopro** · 06-25-2002, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806

I think at pro level(any sport) , this is the case! You have to if you want to compete! That is why I think they should crack down on it. Ex. MLB. It has gotten way out of hand! Make everyone play on the same level!!

Yes, I agree...except in this case, the WNBF stands for the World NATURAL BBing Federation...natural being the key word! Listen, I don't want to bitch because its my choice to compete, however, I simply wish that the guys who choose to take drugs would stick to non-tested shows. Let the natural guys compete on a level playing field.

Regardless, I have beaten tons of drug users before and I'll do it again! Its just a shame that I have to..know what I mean?

**gopro** · 06-25-2002, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tidalwaverus
hang in there Gopro, It has to be obvious to the judges who is been on juice

come on they must know whats up what about hair test ?

can you protest if you think the winner is on juice?

so what your telling me is the cheaters are good at what they do
that sucks !

-well, even if its "obvious," they are not penalized unless they test positive (if they are tested at all)...also, to be a little fair...on the level I compete at, it can be harder to tell who is natty and who isn't...I get accused of being on juice all the time.

-no hair tests are performed...its either polygraph or urine or both.

-protest? you can't really, if the test comes up clean.

-yes, cheaters are usually very good at what they do!

-

GYM GURU · 06-26-2002, 03:38 PM

My last show, INBF- TEXAS SHREDDAR, I feel the heavyweight guy who won the whole show was juicing. IMO. I would have won the whole show to get an INBF Pro card. We all took urine tests but for some reason I just don't beleive they really all the samples. It is really expensive to test for juice & many promoters just don't want to spend the money on a urinealysis. The want to make a profit. Oh well. I know what type of sport I am in & I have to just live with it or get suspended or soemthing. GOPRO, us natural guys are all in the same boat.

Preacher · 06-26-2002, 05:24 PM

Quote:

I think at pro level(any sport) , this is the case!

I've been biking (road) for some years during my teens, and even
amongst the amateurs (you know, riding once a week, drink lots of beer after)
you could find people who were using "performance-enhancing substances ...".

I mean, come on!

06-18-2002, 10:11 AM	#1
cult_status Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: yorkshire, UK Posts: 41	gopro - pro-hormone advice? This is a question for gopro, but anyone can feel free to give advice. Gopro, i've read alot of your postings on pro-hormone advice and found it informative. I've been doing BB to keep fit, i'm 37, 5'9" and stuggling to break 150lbs. Would you advise me to use a pro-hormone product, and if so which one? My fitness regime consist of 3 x 30-60 min sessions at the gym & 1 x 45 min anabolic (cycling on sunday). My diet is not perfect but I do try to eat every 3-4 hours, and take in over 2500 cals & 150g protein. However, I have been leaving out eating a meal last thing, as i've been taking ZMA (which has helped with cramping) & GABA (which has helped with my sleep patterns), until this week.

06-19-2002, 09:24 AM	#2
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,523	I was just gonna answer this and now I need to take a call...I'll be back
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. GOLIATH LABS Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

06-19-2002, 10:07 AM	#3
bigss75 Let Me See Yo Grill Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,123	I dont know nothing about prohormones but I bet you if you up your protein intake you would get bigger. Last edited by bigss75 : 06-20-2002 at 09:29 AM.

06-21-2002, 12:59 PM	#7
GYM GURU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Agg town aka Arlington, Tx. Posts: 205	I have friends who try prohormones & they say the best ones to use are the transdermal rubbing kind. You rub a prohormone jel on your body. They say the ones taken orally don't get digested well. just my .02
	Never say never & never give up. There is ALWAYS someone worse off than you !

06-22-2002, 08:01 AM	#9
tidalwaverus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 237	Great info I respect your opinion alot because you train natural in a contest does either of the roid's disqualify you ?
	Ya never know

06-20-2002, 06:03 AM	#5
cult_status Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: yorkshire, UK Posts: 41	Cheers gopro. I'll try altering my diet & eat more protein. I'm looking to move jobs shortly so this may help. Thanks for the advice.

06-23-2002, 11:04 AM	#10
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,523	I am not allowed to use ANY pro-hormone to prepare for a show. 1-AD, 1-Test, 4-AD, etc, are all on the banned list! They are quite strict in the INBF/WNBF with their rules...I just wish they were as strict with their "testing methods."
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. GOLIATH LABS Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

06-24-2002, 10:30 PM	#14
tidalwaverus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 237	hang in there Gopro, It has to be obvious to the judges who is been on juice come on they must know whats up what about hair test ? can you protest if you think the winner is on juice? so what your telling me is the cheaters are good at what they do that sucks !
	Ya never know

06-25-2002, 12:39 PM	#15
GYM GURU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Agg town aka Arlington, Tx. Posts: 205	Gopro, whats wrong with those transdermal type prohormones. My last show was great as far as urine testing. As soon as I won my weight class there were two guys who escorted me straight to the testing room. The polygraph is bull & a waste of money. I think all class winners should be urine tested in all shows.
	Never say never & never give up. There is ALWAYS someone worse off than you !

06-26-2002, 03:38 PM	#20
GYM GURU Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Agg town aka Arlington, Tx. Posts: 205	My last show, INBF- TEXAS SHREDDAR, I feel the heavyweight guy who won the whole show was juicing. IMO. I would have won the whole show to get an INBF Pro card. We all took urine tests but for some reason I just don't beleive they really all the samples. It is really expensive to test for juice & many promoters just don't want to spend the money on a urinealysis. The want to make a profit. Oh well. I know what type of sport I am in & I have to just live with it or get suspended or soemthing. GOPRO, us natural guys are all in the same boat.
	Never say never & never give up. There is ALWAYS someone worse off than you !

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