cutter07

Whats the brand/product for cutting? Been a BSN man in the past but not sure these days.
I've heard of "carb blockers" and "fat burners" but these from what I seen are nothing more the triple stack with some green tea, L-carn, or chromium. I know diet is key but I'm hitting that, what should I be doing on the supplement front? Gimme the 411 pretty please o' Gurus of Growth.

cutter07

Maybe Cheaters relief?

Tatyana

CLA-conjugated linoleic acid

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nni

cla only works at really high doses and really not much at that.

fat burners are usually stimulants and thermogenics. this will help you work out harder (energy) and make you feel hotter (burn calories). there are other fat burners that are not stimulant based that work in several different ways. but even the best pill wont work unless your diet and routine are in check.

carb blockers and the like are a waste.

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IainDaniel

Ephedrine and Caffeine

Depends on your tolerance, I don't take it anymore, as it alters my moods.

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Some good products:

Thermogenic: SAN Tight Hardcore, Nutrex Lipo 6, NX Labs Methyl Ripped
Thyroidal: SAN Thyrocuts 2, ALRI Thyrogen
Uncoupler: Species Lipolyze

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cutter07

I notice Yohimbe in alot of thermogenic and fat burners. This seems to keep me pumped but also has the side effect of making me freakishly horny. Anyone else get this?

Tatyana

Int J Obes (Lond). 2006 Aug 22; [Epub ahead of print] Links
The role of conjugated linoleic acid in reducing body fat and preventing holiday weight gain.

Watras AC,
Buchholz AC,
Close RN,
Zhang Z,
Schoeller DA.
1Department of Nutritional Sciences, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI, USA.
Objective:The incidence of obesity and overweight in the US has increased considerably during the past two decades and currently affects 65% of the adult population. Research has indicated that small, yet irreversible, gains during the holiday season contribute to increases in weight during adulthood. Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), a naturally occurring dietary fatty acid, has been found to reduce weight gain and dramatically decrease fat mass in animals. Although research in humans has shown inconsistent results, most studies have been of insufficient duration or have utilized body composition methods that are less accurate than the currently accepted criterion.Design:Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study of 3.2 g/day CLA for 6 months.Subjects:Forty healthy, overweight subjects (age: 18-44 years; body mass index: 25-30 kg/m(2))Measurements:Body composition by the four-compartment model, resting metabolic rate (RMR) by indirect calorimetry, self-reported physical activity and dietary intake, and blood chemistries were determined at baseline and after 6 months. Body weight was measured monthly during the pre-holiday season (August-October), holiday season (November-December) and post-holiday season (January-March). Adverse events were assessed monthly.Results:Compared to CLA, the placebo group showed a greater rate of weight gain during the holiday season (P=0.01). Within the placebo group, holiday weight change was significantly greater compared to the pre-holiday period (August-October) (P=0.03). Six-month change in body composition was improved with CLA compared to placebo (P=0.02), and body fat was significantly reduced within the CLA group (-1.0+/-2.2 kg, P=0.05). CLA had no effect on RMR, physical activity or dietary intake. The rate of reported negative emotions decreased significantly with CLA, although there was no difference in any other category of adverse event. In comparison to the placebo, CLA did not affect insulin resistance, blood lipids and markers of liver function or markers of inflammation, with the exception of a significant decrease in a biomarker of endothelial dysfunction.Conclusion:CLA supplementation among overweight adults significantly reduced body fat over 6 months and prevented weight gain during the holiday season. Although no adverse effects were seen, additional studies should evaluate the effect of prolonged use of CLA.International Journal of Obesity advance online publication, 22 August 2006; doi:10.1038/sj.ijo.0803437.
PMID: 16924272 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Tatyana

Six months supplementation with conjugated linoleic acid induces regional-specific fat mass decreases in overweight and obese

Jean-Michel Gaulliera1 c1, Johan Halsea2, Hans Olav Høivika3, Kjetil Høyea3, Christian Syvertsena1, Minna Nurminiemia1, Cecilie Hassfelda1, Alexandra Einerhanda4, Marianne O'Sheaa4 and Ola Gudmundsena1

a1 Link Medical Research AS, Gåsevikveien 8, N-2027 Kjeller, Norway
a2 Diabetes and Overweight Clinic, Pilestredet Park 7, N-0176 Oslo, Norway
a3 Hedmark Medical Center, Grønnegata 54, PO Box 3, N-2303 Hamar, Norway
a4 Lipid Nutrition, division of Loders Croklaan, PO Box 4, 1520 AA, Wormerveer, The Netherlands
Article author query
Gaullier JM [PubMed] [Google Scholar]Halse J [PubMed] [Google Scholar]Høivik HO [PubMed] [Google Scholar]Høye K [PubMed] [Google Scholar]Syvertsen C [PubMed] [Google Scholar]Nurminiemi M [PubMed] [Google Scholar]Hassfeld C [PubMed] [Google Scholar]Einerhand A [PubMed] [Google Scholar]O'Shea M [PubMed] [Google Scholar]Gudmundsen O [PubMed] [Google Scholar]Abstract

Long-term supplementation with conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) reduces body fat mass (BFM) and increases or maintains lean body mass (LBM). However, the regional effect of CLA was not studied. The study aimed to evaluate the effect of CLA per region and safety in healthy, overweight and obese adults. A total of 118 subjects (BMI: 28–32 kg/m2) were included in a double blind, placebo-controlled trial. Subjects were randomised into two groups supplemented with either 3·4 g/d CLA or placebo for 6 months. CLA significantly decreased BFM at month 3 (Δ = − 0·9 %, P = 0·016) and at month 6 (Δ = − 3·4 %, P = 0·043) compared with placebo. The reduction in fat mass was located mostly in the legs (Δ = − 0·8 kg, P < 0·001), and in women (Δ = − 1·3 kg, P = 0·046) with BMI >30 kg/m2 (Δ = − 1·9 kg, P = 0·011), compared with placebo. The waist–hip ratio decreased significantly (P = 0·043) compared with placebo. LBM increased (Δ = +0·5 kg, P = 0·049) within the CLA group. Bone mineral content was not affected (P = 0·70). All changes were independent of diet and physical exercise. Safety parameters including blood lipids, inflammatory and diabetogenic markers remained within the normal range. Adverse events did not differ between the groups. It is concluded that supplementation with CLA in healthy, overweight and obese adults decreases BFM in specific regions and is well tolerated.
(Received March 31 2006)
(Revised August 23 2006)
(Accepted October 17 2006)

cutter07

Has anyone personally used it? Recommend brands?

nni

yes, i've used cla, and its a waste, many others have used cla and its a waste. that study was a wonderful spark, and garnered a lot of interest, but infortunately it hasnt been repeated in the real world. if you want to try it, i wouldnt go less than 5 grams a day, and it gets pricey, and its still questionable whether you will see results.

if i were to go the non stim route, i would go with melting point, dicana, thermo tabs etc.

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IainDaniel

The only benefits I have read for CLA is when overfeeding.

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