CellMass

Delusional · 09-28-2007, 07:12 AM

i know on workout days i should take it post workout, and then before i go to bed. but for off days it says to take it in the morning upon waking, and then another serving 6-8 hours later. sometimes i think BSN kinda tries to get you to use up the product and whatnot. so i was just wondering how should i really use this stuff on off days? maybe just one serving in the morning, or before bed?

NordicNacho · 09-28-2007, 10:08 AM

I wouldn't on off days use some bulk plain creatine its dirt cheap and will last forever. 1000 grams is like 20 bucks

**nni** · 09-28-2007, 10:20 AM

one servings a day (either day) is all that is needed. i would go AM on off days, and PRE workout on on days.

Delusional · 09-29-2007, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nni

one servings a day (either day) is all that is needed. i would go AM on off days, and PRE workout on on days.

ok, so take it first thing in the morning on OFF days then?

but gota ask. why take it pre workout? thought it was best when taken post work out, and then before bed on days when you did work out

**nni** · 09-29-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Delusional

ok, so take it first thing in the morning on OFF days then?

but gota ask. why take it pre workout? thought it was best when taken post work out, and then before bed on days when you did work out

ive had this conversation many times. first off there are some key times to take creatine, early am, pre workout, post workout and pre bed. i prefer am and pre but if you wanted to go bed, thats fine, i just think protein or a meal is better served then. also there is no need to load so one serving a day is plenty, it is too pricey to go through faster.

now as to why pre and not post. bsn is a very successful company and have arguably THE most popular pre workout drink in No -Xplode (no idea why though

) so they would be dumb to market their creatine as a pre workout creatine and cut into their own share of the market. most creatines are taken pre workout, personally i think it the optimal time for creatine. cellmass said it is a post workout recovery creatine, but tell me what makes it a post workout product? protein + carbs are key post workout, it this really was a recovery product, that would be in there, if you compare it to other pre workout creatines you will see that it is very similar. it becomes a post workout creatine when no-xplode is selling well, not because of the formula.

PreMier · 09-29-2007, 12:05 PM

creatine absorption appears to be enhanced when the supplement is taken with a high-carbohydrate drink such as fruit juice. so why not do it post workout, when your atp stores have been depleted, and need regeneration? thats what seems logical to me. i do respect nni's view, but until there is some sort of study done on atp regeneration from creatine pre and post workout everything is a guessing game. personally i take mine after.

actually.. next week i think i will switch it around to see if it makes a difference.. but i think until there is some sort of study saying "this is best" is done, it is about personal preference

**nni** · 09-29-2007, 01:35 PM

i dont think there will ever be one.

Delusional · 09-29-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

creatine absorption appears to be enhanced when the supplement is taken with a high-carbohydrate drink such as fruit juice. so why not do it post workout, when your atp stores have been depleted, and need regeneration? thats what seems logical to me. i do respect nni's view, but until there is some sort of study done on atp regeneration from creatine pre and post workout everything is a guessing game. personally i take mine after.

actually.. next week i think i will switch it around to see if it makes a difference.. but i think until there is some sort of study saying "this is best" is done, it is about personal preference

dumb question yes, but what does ATP stand for?

and i think it would be really, really awesome if you did switch it around and see what differences there were, if any. i would say id try it but ive only been using creatine for..2 days now. so i cant really do that for a while. so yea i hope you try it pre-work out for a week and let us know your thoughts on the change. until then i guess i will continue to take mine post work out, maybe for 2-3 weeks and see if im getting decent results.
in all honesty im not even sure WHAT kind of results i should be looking for..heh. can someone kinda tell me what changes i should notice?

Delusional · 09-29-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

ive had this conversation many times. first off there are some key times to take creatine, early am, pre workout, post workout and pre bed. i prefer am and pre but if you wanted to go bed, thats fine, i just think protein or a meal is better served then. also there is no need to load so one serving a day is plenty, it is too pricey to go through faster.

now as to why pre and not post. bsn is a very successful company and have arguably THE most popular pre workout drink in No -Xplode (no idea why though

) so they would be dumb to market their creatine as a pre workout creatine and cut into their own share of the market. most creatines are taken pre workout, personally i think it the optimal time for creatine. cellmass said it is a post workout recovery creatine, but tell me what makes it a post workout product? protein + carbs are key post workout, it this really was a recovery product, that would be in there, if you compare it to other pre workout creatines you will see that it is very similar. it becomes a post workout creatine when no-xplode is selling well, not because of the formula.

yea i didnt really wana do more than 2 servings a day myself. so on work out days i will have 2 servings, and on off days ill just take it in the morning. as for meals before bed. i usually have a salad with like tomatoe, cucumber, iceberg lettuce, raw broccoli, cubed ham or somethin like chicken breast, salmon, tilapia. and then about an hour later (right before i go upstairs to hop in my bed) ill have a 1 ½ scoops or 2 scoops of syntha-6.

i do see what you are saying about it being so relative to pre workout creatines, and that its odd its for post work out since there are very little carbs and like..no protein. i just thought maybe they had somethin in there that i wasnt aware of that helped benefit your muscles after a work out ya know. what would you think about maybe using 2 scoops of cellmass mixed with a half-gallon or a bit more water. and sipping on that 15 mins before working out, sip on it DURING my workout, and then finishing it off after my work out? maybe thats stupid but it was just a little thought i had.

PreMier · 09-29-2007, 06:35 PM

adenosine triphosphate (atp) is in in skeletal muscle. so, without atp, muscle contractions arent possible. creatine increases muscle stores of atp and which helps improve overall exercise performance so you can build bigger muscles.

Delusional · 09-29-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

adenosine triphosphate (atp) is in in skeletal muscle. so, without atp, muscle contractions arent possible. creatine increases muscle stores of atp and which helps improve overall exercise performance so you can build bigger muscles.

k thanks for clearin that up. what do you think about my idea of mixing about 2 scoops of cellmass in like a liter..maybe a bit more of water and sipping on that before, during, and after a workout? too much you think? im just hella confused now about the most beneficial time to take it, and my idea doesnt seem like it would hurt. if anything yea i know, itd be hurting my wallet a bit. but its better than alcohol and weed i guess heh. and yea P, please consider your idea of trying the opposite and taking creatine pre workout. id be real interested to hear all you have to say about the results and differences since you seem to know your stuff pretty well.

PreMier · 09-30-2007, 12:40 PM

well, like i said i think its all personal preference. so try out whatever you want, and see how ya feel during/after your workout. then switch things up, and see if it makes a difference.

i will switch up the time i take the drink, but again it will be what i 'feel'.. so take it with a grain of salt and do what you like best

Delusional · 09-30-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

well, like i said i think its all personal preference. so try out whatever you want, and see how ya feel during/after your workout. then switch things up, and see if it makes a difference.

i will switch up the time i take the drink, but again it will be what i 'feel'.. so take it with a grain of salt and do what you like best

yea im gona give it a go i guess. that means on workout days id be taking 3 servings a day =/ hm..so maybe thats not a good idea?

and yea i know, but im just interested to see what you think after trying it is all.

Delusional · 10-01-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NordicNacho

I wouldn't on off days use some bulk plain creatine its dirt cheap and will last forever. 1000 grams is like 20 bucks

what brand are you talking about? 1000g for 20 or so would be nice.

PreMier · 10-01-2007, 03:16 PM

Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL Powder [100 Grams] - $6.99

cee hcl. 100g for 6$ or a kilo(2.2lbs) for 34.

**P-funk** · 10-01-2007, 06:52 PM

at 125lbs, i don't think Cell Mass is what you need. You need to EAT and TRAIN! Forget about the supplements for now. Work on the basics.

StanUk · 10-02-2007, 08:18 AM

With the creatine ive found no difference taking it before than after, you can always take half before half after if it really concerns you.

PreMier · 10-02-2007, 05:43 PM

since there is no real evidence on taking it before/after, do what you want. i took mine before today, and i was burping orange flavor during the entire workout(i use orange flavored creatine). it was rather unpleasant.. and since i dont know when my baseline atp levels return to normal, or if its faster when i take it before, im going to continue to drink it after

Delusional · 10-02-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

since there is no real evidence on taking it before/after, do what you want. i took mine before today, and i was burping orange flavor during the entire workout(i use orange flavored creatine). it was rather unpleasant.. and since i dont know when my baseline atp levels return to normal, or if its faster when i take it before, im going to continue to drink it after

thanks for the insight Pre. yea ive decided to buy some cheap creatine whenever i can, and just use the cellmass after workouts and then use the cheaper creatine before bed and mornings. maybe lookin into getting some waxy maize to go along with it too though.

Delusional · 10-02-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by StanUk

With the creatine ive found no difference taking it before than after, you can always take half before half after if it really concerns you.

yea i considered half before half after also. but eh, i figured i may as well just try whats recommended first (the way its really supposed to be used) and see what happens. cellmass post workout, cheap creatine mornings and nights.

coldseed · 10-28-2007, 06:15 PM

I just got some Cell Mass over the weekend and tomorrow will be my first time taking it. Maybe I'm missing something, but as a post workout supp, shouldn't there be some protein in cell mass?

As they say for protein:
20g pre-workout
40g immediately post workout

soxmuscle · 10-28-2007, 06:53 PM

it's a post workout creatine supplement, they want you to buy their protein to get the necessary protein which costs you an arm and a leg.

coldseed · 10-28-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

it's a post workout creatine supplement, they want you to buy their protein to get the necessary protein which costs you an arm and a leg.

Thanks for the reply. So, I'm wondering when I take this along with 2 scoops of protein if I will get some serious cramps.

Suggestions?

soxmuscle · 10-29-2007, 12:31 AM

i wouldn't get craps, you might. try it.

coldseed · 10-29-2007, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

i wouldn't get craps, you might. try it.

We'll soon find out. Thanks.

Delusional · 10-29-2007, 07:40 AM

as far as i knew all creatines dont have protein in them, and if there are a few with some it couldnt be that much? maybe im wrong though. creatine and protein are two different things in my mind. take your cellmass as recommended dude. or close. i always take mine immediately after i finish working out, then i wait 10 minutes and have a shake. then i have one more scoop of cellmass before bed on an empty stomach, and a scoop the next morning on an empty stomach. if i was still feeling a bit sore or anything id take another scoop before bed, but if not i skip it that night and just wait to take it until after my next workout.

09-28-2007, 07:12 AM	#1
Delusional little guy with big hopes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 547	CellMass i know on workout days i should take it post workout, and then before i go to bed. but for off days it says to take it in the morning upon waking, and then another serving 6-8 hours later. sometimes i think BSN kinda tries to get you to use up the product and whatnot. so i was just wondering how should i really use this stuff on off days? maybe just one serving in the morning, or before bed?
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09-28-2007, 10:08 AM	#2
NordicNacho Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,415 Photos: 18	I wouldn't on off days use some bulk plain creatine its dirt cheap and will last forever. 1000 grams is like 20 bucks
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09-28-2007, 10:20 AM	#3
nni Designer Supplements Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,271 Blog Entries: 1	one servings a day (either day) is all that is needed. i would go AM on off days, and PRE workout on on days.
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09-29-2007, 12:05 PM	#6
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,088 Photos: 2	creatine absorption appears to be enhanced when the supplement is taken with a high-carbohydrate drink such as fruit juice. so why not do it post workout, when your atp stores have been depleted, and need regeneration? thats what seems logical to me. i do respect nni's view, but until there is some sort of study done on atp regeneration from creatine pre and post workout everything is a guessing game. personally i take mine after. actually.. next week i think i will switch it around to see if it makes a difference.. but i think until there is some sort of study saying "this is best" is done, it is about personal preference
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

09-29-2007, 01:35 PM	#7
nni Designer Supplements Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,271 Blog Entries: 1	i dont think there will ever be one.
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09-29-2007, 06:35 PM	#10
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,088 Photos: 2	adenosine triphosphate (atp) is in in skeletal muscle. so, without atp, muscle contractions arent possible. creatine increases muscle stores of atp and which helps improve overall exercise performance so you can build bigger muscles.
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

09-30-2007, 12:40 PM	#12
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,088 Photos: 2	well, like i said i think its all personal preference. so try out whatever you want, and see how ya feel during/after your workout. then switch things up, and see if it makes a difference. i will switch up the time i take the drink, but again it will be what i 'feel'.. so take it with a grain of salt and do what you like best
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

10-01-2007, 03:16 PM	#15
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,088 Photos: 2	Creatine Ethyl Ester HCL Powder [100 Grams] - $6.99 cee hcl. 100g for 6$ or a kilo(2.2lbs) for 34.
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

10-01-2007, 06:52 PM	#16
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,435	at 125lbs, i don't think Cell Mass is what you need. You need to EAT and TRAIN! Forget about the supplements for now. Work on the basics.
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10-02-2007, 08:18 AM	#17
StanUk Light weight! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a galaxy far far away Posts: 679 Photos: 1	With the creatine ive found no difference taking it before than after, you can always take half before half after if it really concerns you.

10-02-2007, 05:43 PM	#18
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,088 Photos: 2	since there is no real evidence on taking it before/after, do what you want. i took mine before today, and i was burping orange flavor during the entire workout(i use orange flavored creatine). it was rather unpleasant.. and since i dont know when my baseline atp levels return to normal, or if its faster when i take it before, im going to continue to drink it after
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

10-28-2007, 06:15 PM	#21
coldseed Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4	I just got some Cell Mass over the weekend and tomorrow will be my first time taking it. Maybe I'm missing something, but as a post workout supp, shouldn't there be some protein in cell mass? As they say for protein: 20g pre-workout 40g immediately post workout
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10-28-2007, 06:53 PM	#22
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 8,280 Photos: 10	it's a post workout creatine supplement, they want you to buy their protein to get the necessary protein which costs you an arm and a leg.
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10-29-2007, 12:31 AM	#24
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10-29-2007, 07:40 AM	#26
Delusional little guy with big hopes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 547	as far as i knew all creatines dont have protein in them, and if there are a few with some it couldnt be that much? maybe im wrong though. creatine and protein are two different things in my mind. take your cellmass as recommended dude. or close. i always take mine immediately after i finish working out, then i wait 10 minutes and have a shake. then i have one more scoop of cellmass before bed on an empty stomach, and a scoop the next morning on an empty stomach. if i was still feeling a bit sore or anything id take another scoop before bed, but if not i skip it that night and just wait to take it until after my next workout.
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