Vpx's New Meltdown...

mcguin · 03-19-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

Yes very strange could it be possible that it is stress related?

I have a feeling this is stress related, as there is no consistency in when I have the attacks...just wanted to check if there was any other reports...but besides that so far I'm loving this product, cut my appetite in half, and 2 weeks in im feeling myself leaning out...great energy as well

workingatit43 · 03-19-2008, 11:42 AM

The only real way to tell is by stopping the product for say a week and see if you have any attacks let me know if i can help in any way and take care bro.

mcguin · 03-19-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

The only real way to tell is by stopping the product for say a week and see if you have any attacks let me know if i can help in any way and take care bro.

thanks very much for your support, I'll stay on the two in the am and two in the pm and see what happens for the next few days, like i said the past two days I've managed to avoid what i was having last week, if it goes away I know its either adjusting to the meltdown or totally unrelated...I hope you guys don't think i was putting this product down by posting on here, thats not my intention, so far i am very pleased with the energy im getting from the products...ill post my weight difference at the end of the week as this is the first week of taking 4 a day and going to the gym as last week i was just building tolerance and taking off from my gym routine...thanks again

workingatit43 · 03-19-2008, 07:18 PM

No you were putting a concern out there no problem with that i never got the impression that you were bad mouthing it and i hope it works out well for you.

rippedintention · 03-25-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

Retain 2 can be combined with Meltdown. Just do not combine MD with other caffeine, synephrine, ephedra or yohimbine containing products as that would cause too much CNS stimulation.

First of all gopro I would like to thank you and VPX, respectively for the thread and the product. I've read the entire thread and joined due to all the combined knowlege from all the posters. Here's the q:

I am currently taking 2 MDs twice a day about 8 hours apart. I just picked up some 25 mg Ephedrine HCL/200 mg Guaifenesin combination scored tabs.

I've read your warnings above but...................could I combine 12.5 mg Eph/100 Guaifenesin combined with 2 MD's twice a day for an even better one, two punch?

clayu86 · 03-25-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mcguin

hmm...ive been on many stimulants before and I've never had attacks like this..very strange attacks...i started meltdown last week. last week i was taking one in the am and one in the pm, this week im taking two in the am and two in the pm before work out...im calling them panic attacks cause thats the only thing I can relate them to, but again since I've never had one before I'm assuming thats what they are.

Well I have to take medicine for anxiety...sounds stupid because Im known to take synthetics also, but the zoloft seems to suppress the anger and keep my anxiety down. As for what Gopro said...alot of times if you are known for getting anxiety they can increase anxiety. I doubt that meltdown made you develop the anxiety...somewhere along the lines you are probably just an anxious person....and people who have anxiousness are effected by caffein, yohimbine products very easily...sometimes not easily but you get what I am saying. I am in no way promoting or trying to help out meltdown as I have never tried the stuff but I am doing this because I know as an anxious person myself how certain supplements can effect you. At the same time I am not downing meltdown. It seems to have good feedback, and works well for some people. If you are susceptible to anxiety though or it causes anxiety or if you are trying to determine where the anxiety came from, take a break or get off of it. Be careful....goodluck.

clayu86 · 03-25-2008, 06:06 PM

Keep watch over your anxiety levels also if you find it is not the meltdown. Anxiety depression is a real disorder out there and is treatable if it comes down to it. Trust me, if it comes to the point where it is unbearable..there is nothing wrong with getting help. I believe the good Lord put stuff like that on the earth to aid us along in life. I am not implying anything, just trying to make sure you be aware of that. Me being in the military, they take really good care of us medically, and psychologically and this is an area they take of great concern.

clayu86 · 03-25-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mcguin

thanks very much for your support, I'll stay on the two in the am and two in the pm and see what happens for the next few days, like i said the past two days I've managed to avoid what i was having last week, if it goes away I know its either adjusting to the meltdown or totally unrelated...I hope you guys don't think i was putting this product down by posting on here, thats not my intention, so far i am very pleased with the energy im getting from the products...ill post my weight difference at the end of the week as this is the first week of taking 4 a day and going to the gym as last week i was just building tolerance and taking off from my gym routine...thanks again

Brother, posting stuff as you did does not put down VPX one bit. It will actually make them a better company.

**gopro** · 03-26-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mcguin

thanks very much for your support, I'll stay on the two in the am and two in the pm and see what happens for the next few days, like i said the past two days I've managed to avoid what i was having last week, if it goes away I know its either adjusting to the meltdown or totally unrelated...I hope you guys don't think i was putting this product down by posting on here, thats not my intention, so far i am very pleased with the energy im getting from the products...ill post my weight difference at the end of the week as this is the first week of taking 4 a day and going to the gym as last week i was just building tolerance and taking off from my gym routine...thanks again

As a Meltdown representative I can tell you that in no way do I feel you have put VPX or the product down. I think it is great that you expressed your concern and asked about it. This can help other users that might be in a similar situation to you.

**gopro** · 03-26-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rippedintention

First of all gopro I would like to thank you and VPX, respectively for the thread and the product. I've read the entire thread and joined due to all the combined knowlege from all the posters. Here's the q:

I am currently taking 2 MDs twice a day about 8 hours apart. I just picked up some 25 mg Ephedrine HCL/200 mg Guaifenesin combination scored tabs.

I've read your warnings above but...................could I combine 12.5 mg Eph/100 Guaifenesin combined with 2 MD's twice a day for an even better one, two punch?

Thanks for your kind words. You are quite welcome.

I could not comfortably recommend to you that you combine ephedrine along with Meltdown. MD is quite powerful on its on, and adding another stimulant, especially one as potent as ephedra could prove dangerous.

That said, if you DO choose to do so, definitely start with only 12.5 mg per dose and only once per day. You may tolerate this just fine, or you may not, but at least starting with the lowest dose will keep you as safe as possible.

Like I said, this is not something I or VPX would recommend, but the decision is yours. Please just be sensible and careful.

urbanski · 03-26-2008, 11:48 AM

i'm at what, about 2 weeks of MD now. Only 2/day. Appetite control continues. Very easy to suppress cravings. Survived 1-week vacation (no real control over meals) with no weight gain

Still very positive. Will take for maybe 2 more weeks then stop for a time.

zombul · 03-27-2008, 09:42 AM

Finished my cycle about a week ago and did notice it disrupted my sleep.I saw nothing incredible and not a miracle pill but good for an OTC for weight loss.It did increase my energy and didn't make me jittery and helped w apetite as well.

I GIVE IT A 7.5 OF 10

mcguin · 03-28-2008, 08:06 AM

im week two into meltdown and so far down a solid 5lbs with no sides that I know of...great energy and appetite suppresant...

**gopro** · 03-28-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by urbanski

i'm at what, about 2 weeks of MD now. Only 2/day. Appetite control continues. Very easy to suppress cravings. Survived 1-week vacation (no real control over meals) with no weight gain

Still very positive. Will take for maybe 2 more weeks then stop for a time.

Good stuff so far!

**gopro** · 03-28-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by zombul

Finished my cycle about a week ago and did notice it disrupted my sleep.I saw nothing incredible and not a miracle pill but good for an OTC for weight loss.It did increase my energy and didn't make me jittery and helped w apetite as well.

I GIVE IT A 7.5 OF 10

Less than the average reviews for most, but still pretty decent. Thank you for the honest assessment!

**gopro** · 03-28-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mcguin

im week two into meltdown and so far down a solid 5lbs with no sides that I know of...great energy and appetite suppresant...

Great to hear! Please continue to keep me posted! Thank you.

**gopro** · 03-31-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by evilsonic9999

Hows going any updates?

One of my clients is about to send me an update after taking MD for 6 weeks. Will post it as soon as I get it!

gangstabo · 03-31-2008, 04:37 PM

I been taking meltdown for about 2 weeks now and ive seen vary little results nothing too serious. I take it twice in the morning and then once more in the evening right before i workout which is my cardio (jiujitsu/MMA).

Would it be better to take 1 capsule 3 times a day and spread them out? or 3 at once or what im doing is fine?

Im open to all suggestions I hear so many different things I dont know who to believe, someone help me PLEASEE?????

**gopro** · 04-01-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gangstabo

I been taking meltdown for about 2 weeks now and ive seen vary little results nothing too serious. I take it twice in the morning and then once more in the evening right before i workout which is my cardio (jiujitsu/MMA).

Would it be better to take 1 capsule 3 times a day and spread them out? or 3 at once or what im doing is fine?

Im open to all suggestions I hear so many different things I dont know who to believe, someone help me PLEASEE?????

You may need to go above 3 caps per day. So far it seems that most users report great progress on somewhere between 3 and 6 caps per day. I would try going to 2 caps twice per day for a week and see if that works better.

**gopro** · 04-01-2008, 11:57 AM

Ok my friends...yet another dose of feedback regarding Meltdown. This one is from a 28 year-old female client that has used several fat burners, all with pretty decent results. While she regularly used VPX's Thinfat and Zero Carb, she has never used Clenbutrx or Redline, so this is her first shot with a VPX fat burner.

"Sorry this is a few days late Eric, but work and two kids can keep you busy! Anyway, I used Meltdown exactly the way you told me and did not have to make any adjustments due to side effects. Of course I followed the normal diet and training/cardio protocol that you set for me (which remained the same as the previous 4 weeks so that Meltdown was the only variable in the equation)."

Week 1: 1 capsule twice per day
Week 2: 2 caps before meal one and 1 cap before meal 3
Week 3: 2 caps before meal one and 2 caps before meal 3
Week 4: 2 caps before meal one, 2 caps before meal 3, and 1 cap before meal 5

-Fat Burning Ability...9 - Started at 21% body fat and it went down as follows: after week 1 (20%), after week 2 (19%), after week 3 (17.7%), after week 4 (16.5%). So, I lost 3.5% body fat in 4 weeks! I noticed it most in my legs for sure.

-Energy Enhancement...7 - It is certainly not like ephedra in this regard, which gives me mega-energy. However, I DID notice that I felt more focus and got a few extra reps on most exercises when taken before weight training.

-Mood Affects...6 - This is a tough one for me to judge because as you know I am normally a very happy and up-beat person! That said, there were a few times I found myself humming about 30 minutes after taking Meltdown, which is something new for me, LOL.

-Appetite Suppressing Capability...9 - Definitely felt this aspect of Meltdown. From the first dose my appetite was less, and it was easier to follow the low carb plan you generally have me on. Went to the movies almost every weekend while on MD and did not even crave popcorn, which is a huge weakness for me!

-Side Effects...A+ - Did not notice a single problem while on MD at any dose.

Bottom Line: Get me more! LOL!

urbanski · 04-01-2008, 02:06 PM

how are folks measuring their body fat so closely?
i did the "us navy" method, got 22% and laughed (I weigh 115lbs and guesstimate my body fat to be single digits).

Tier · 04-02-2008, 09:04 AM

Well I think I have taken it roughly 3 weeks and it's a really strange product in a positive way, never really have seen anything like it.

I was pretty skeptical as I am of all these kind of products, all BS aside, keeping in mind I don't respond at all to most products (creatine, glutamine, s-drol, formadrol, masterdrol) for the most part. these are my results.

Mental Focus was increased until my body got used to it, but then there was nothing noticeable and I have ADD so I would notice it.

No mood effects or Side effects

Energy increase is very noticeable

**big one for me, I did lose 1 pound but it seems to have somehow retained my weight but reduce my bf% significantly, if you told me it would do this before I started taking it I would dismiss the product most likely.

**gopro** · 04-02-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by urbanski

how are folks measuring their body fat so closely?
i did the "us navy" method, got 22% and laughed (I weigh 115lbs and guesstimate my body fat to be single digits).

Most of my clients use DEXA scan or hydrostatic weighing.

**gopro** · 04-02-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tier

Well I think I have taken it roughly 3 weeks and it's a really strange product in a positive way, never really have seen anything like it.

I was pretty skeptical as I am of all these kind of products, all BS aside, keeping in mind I don't respond at all to most products (creatine, glutamine, s-drol, formadrol, masterdrol) for the most part. these are my results.

Mental Focus was increased until my body got used to it, but then there was nothing noticeable and I have ADD so I would notice it.

No mood effects or Side effects

Energy increase is very noticeable

**big one for me, I did lose 1 pound but it seems to have somehow retained my weight but reduce my bf% significantly, if you told me it would do this before I started taking it I would dismiss the product most likely.

The feedback on MD so far has been phenomenal...even better than VPX hoped! It is rapidly proving itself as a heavy hitter in the industry.

Thanks for your post!

03-19-2008, 11:42 AM	#302
workingatit43 AI/Sbmuscle Rep Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ma Posts: 1,449	The only real way to tell is by stopping the product for say a week and see if you have any attacks let me know if i can help in any way and take care bro.
	Anabolic Innovations Representative Sbmuscle.com Representative My opinons, views, and suggestions are that of my own and do not represent SBMuscle.com. Anabolic Innovation at SB Muscle Sbmuscle.com

03-19-2008, 07:18 PM	#304
workingatit43 AI/Sbmuscle Rep Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ma Posts: 1,449	No you were putting a concern out there no problem with that i never got the impression that you were bad mouthing it and i hope it works out well for you.
	Anabolic Innovations Representative Sbmuscle.com Representative My opinons, views, and suggestions are that of my own and do not represent SBMuscle.com. Anabolic Innovation at SB Muscle Sbmuscle.com

03-31-2008, 04:37 PM	#318
gangstabo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 1	Recommended Use Anyone? I been taking meltdown for about 2 weeks now and ive seen vary little results nothing too serious. I take it twice in the morning and then once more in the evening right before i workout which is my cardio (jiujitsu/MMA). Would it be better to take 1 capsule 3 times a day and spread them out? or 3 at once or what im doing is fine? Im open to all suggestions I hear so many different things I dont know who to believe, someone help me PLEASEE?????

04-01-2008, 11:57 AM	#320
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,505	Ok my friends...yet another dose of feedback regarding Meltdown. This one is from a 28 year-old female client that has used several fat burners, all with pretty decent results. While she regularly used VPX's Thinfat and Zero Carb, she has never used Clenbutrx or Redline, so this is her first shot with a VPX fat burner. "Sorry this is a few days late Eric, but work and two kids can keep you busy! Anyway, I used Meltdown exactly the way you told me and did not have to make any adjustments due to side effects. Of course I followed the normal diet and training/cardio protocol that you set for me (which remained the same as the previous 4 weeks so that Meltdown was the only variable in the equation)." Week 1: 1 capsule twice per day Week 2: 2 caps before meal one and 1 cap before meal 3 Week 3: 2 caps before meal one and 2 caps before meal 3 Week 4: 2 caps before meal one, 2 caps before meal 3, and 1 cap before meal 5 -Fat Burning Ability...9 - Started at 21% body fat and it went down as follows: after week 1 (20%), after week 2 (19%), after week 3 (17.7%), after week 4 (16.5%). So, I lost 3.5% body fat in 4 weeks! I noticed it most in my legs for sure. -Energy Enhancement...7 - It is certainly not like ephedra in this regard, which gives me mega-energy. However, I DID notice that I felt more focus and got a few extra reps on most exercises when taken before weight training. -Mood Affects...6 - This is a tough one for me to judge because as you know I am normally a very happy and up-beat person! That said, there were a few times I found myself humming about 30 minutes after taking Meltdown, which is something new for me, LOL. -Appetite Suppressing Capability...9 - Definitely felt this aspect of Meltdown. From the first dose my appetite was less, and it was easier to follow the low carb plan you generally have me on. Went to the movies almost every weekend while on MD and did not even crave popcorn, which is a huge weakness for me! -Side Effects...A+ - Did not notice a single problem while on MD at any dose. Bottom Line: Get me more! LOL!
	Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. VPX Sponsored Athlete/Board Rep www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

03-25-2008, 06:06 PM	#307
clayu86 on your face fuckinclown Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: adsasdf Posts: 269	Keep watch over your anxiety levels also if you find it is not the meltdown. Anxiety depression is a real disorder out there and is treatable if it comes down to it. Trust me, if it comes to the point where it is unbearable..there is nothing wrong with getting help. I believe the good Lord put stuff like that on the earth to aid us along in life. I am not implying anything, just trying to make sure you be aware of that. Me being in the military, they take really good care of us medically, and psychologically and this is an area they take of great concern.

03-26-2008, 11:48 AM	#311
urbanski Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 49	i'm at what, about 2 weeks of MD now. Only 2/day. Appetite control continues. Very easy to suppress cravings. Survived 1-week vacation (no real control over meals) with no weight gain Still very positive. Will take for maybe 2 more weeks then stop for a time.

03-27-2008, 09:42 AM	#312
zombul SB MUSCLE REP Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Power Rack Posts: 1,937	Finished my cycle about a week ago and did notice it disrupted my sleep.I saw nothing incredible and not a miracle pill but good for an OTC for weight loss.It did increase my energy and didn't make me jittery and helped w apetite as well. I GIVE IT A 7.5 OF 10

03-28-2008, 08:06 AM	#313
mcguin "It's not a tooma!" Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: US Posts: 176	im week two into meltdown and so far down a solid 5lbs with no sides that I know of...great energy and appetite suppresant...

04-01-2008, 02:06 PM	#321
urbanski Junior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 49	how are folks measuring their body fat so closely? i did the "us navy" method, got 22% and laughed (I weigh 115lbs and guesstimate my body fat to be single digits).

04-02-2008, 09:04 AM	#322
Tier Your Pretend Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 765	Well I think I have taken it roughly 3 weeks and it's a really strange product in a positive way, never really have seen anything like it. I was pretty skeptical as I am of all these kind of products, all BS aside, keeping in mind I don't respond at all to most products (creatine, glutamine, s-drol, formadrol, masterdrol) for the most part. these are my results. Mental Focus was increased until my body got used to it, but then there was nothing noticeable and I have ADD so I would notice it. No mood effects or Side effects Energy increase is very noticeable **big one for me, I did lose 1 pound but it seems to have somehow retained my weight but reduce my bf% significantly, if you told me it would do this before I started taking it I would dismiss the product most likely.