Vpx's New Meltdown...

**nni** · 10-24-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

Well, I doubt they will be publicly releasing all of the paperwork, but in many cases methylation DOES increase oral availability...and according to the work VPX did, it is also true in this case.

The funny thing is that VPX originally made the formula from non-methyl compounds, but found it was working quite poorly in testing. They did not want to jack up the mg., but rather tried to figure out how to make each ingedient more absorbable. They accomplished this task.

eh, well i need a bit more than that. we will see when they release it.

gopro · 10-24-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

eh, well i need a bit more than that. we will see when they release it.

Some people need to see paper work, other people just need to try it. I do not make a penny extra from sales on this. I am just here because I am using it and it works great...and my clients are using it, and it works great. I hope others will use it and reap the benefits, but of course I expect, like with every supplement in existence, that some will not like it as much as me.

Personally I have found only a handful of truly good products out of the thousands upon thousands thrown into the market over the years. Its fun when you find one that does what it says it does.

b_reed23 · 10-24-2007, 11:39 PM

have they said what kind of price we are looking at here??

gopro · 10-25-2007, 01:20 PM

Moving on to MD's ability to act as an appetite suppressant...while some guys at the VPX offices told me that their appetites totally disappear to the point that they forget to eat, this has not happened to me. However, what HAS happened is that I am less hungry and also have less cravings for carbs. I normally diet on low carbs, so I am used to it, but some days I am ok and others I want to eat only bread, cereal, rice, pasta, etc. Of course I don't, but the craving is there. Since starting MD I have not had a single day like that. I feel this makes this product EXTREMELY useful when looking to lean out in terms of being able to "happily stick to" your diet.

Lastly, I will talk about side effects. Ok, done! LOL...so far I have not had any noticeable side effects. The first couple of days I had a tiny nervous feeling in my chest, but nowhere near what most fat burners give me. Other than that, I cannot point to anything negative. However, this is an area that varies from person to person quite a bit, so I will soon be talking with all of my clients (testing MD) in detail about all of the above criteria and discussing it here.

gopro · 10-25-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by b_reed23

have they said what kind of price we are looking at here??

Let me see if I can find out anything about this

**nni** · 10-25-2007, 06:41 PM

knowing the ingredients it sounds t good to be true, literally. methyl tta + methyl synephrine and a nice dosage of yohimbine and no side effets of note?

you are starting to lose me now.

gopro · 10-26-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

knowing the ingredients it sounds t good to be true, literally. methyl tta + methyl synephrine and a nice dosage of yohimbine and no side effets of note?

you are starting to lose me now.

Why am I losing you? That makes little sense. I am simply reporting my findings on the product. No, I have found there to be no side effects so far in short-term use. Would something go wrong if I took way too much or used it for a year straight? That I do not know, but it seems that if the product is not abused, there are no side effects to speak of. However, like I mentioned, this is an area that varies quite a bit from person to person. When I take Redline, I feel as if I have contracted the flu. I know someone that can drink two Redline RTD's in a sitting and he will not feel a thing.

VPX has truly put the time and research in on this. Now they are completing the testing and it seems that it is acting just as they had hoped it would in the real world. Not sure what else to tell you.

(However, I notice you are from another supplement company, so of course I expect criticism...business is business).

**nni** · 10-26-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

Why am I losing you? That makes little sense. I am simply reporting my findings on the product. No, I have found there to be no side effects so far in short-term use. Would something go wrong if I took way too much or used it for a year straight? That I do not know, but it seems that if the product is not abused, there are no side effects to speak of. However, like I mentioned, this is an area that varies quite a bit from person to person. When I take Redline, I feel as if I have contracted the flu. I know someone that can drink two Redline RTD's in a sitting and he will not feel a thing.

VPX has truly put the time and research in on this. Now they are completing the testing and it seems that it is acting just as they had hoped it would in the real world. Not sure what else to tell you.

(However, I notice you are from another supplement company, so of course I expect criticism...business is business).

new supplements come out every day, i dont feel threatened by any of them, so it isnt business, it is me as an educted consumer looking at ingredients and questioning them. it is easier to chalk it up to company competition, but it isnt the case. i am looking at the product as objectively as i can, not as someone affiliated with a supplement company, but as someone who knows that methyling everything is a trendy move that doesnt necessarily make things better. which is why i said i would love to see the research. if this was a company to company thing, i would outright say it sucks and that product X is better. it isnt. i buy stuff all the time, and if this is really as good as you claim,i guarantee i will give it a shot at some point. but i have questions and concerns about the ingredients, and as a courtesy i did not voice them, and i will not. i will simply wait and see what data vpx chooses to release.

gopro · 10-26-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

new supplements come out every day, i dont feel threatened by any of them, so it isnt business, it is me as an educted consumer looking at ingredients and questioning them. it is easier to chalk it up to company competition, but it isnt the case. i am looking at the product as objectively as i can, not as someone affiliated with a supplement company, but as someone who knows that methyling everything is a trendy move that doesnt necessarily make things better. which is why i said i would love to see the research. if this was a company to company thing, i would outright say it sucks and that product X is better. it isnt. i buy stuff all the time, and if this is really as good as you claim,i guarantee i will give it a shot at some point. but i have questions and concerns about the ingredients, and as a courtesy i did not voice them, and i will not. i will simply wait and see what data vpx chooses to release.

That is fine my friend. If it is the methylation that bothers you, I can tell you that so far there have been no reports of elevated liver enzymes in ANY of the test users (if that is what you are speaking to as your concerns). This is across the board...men and women...doses of 3 caps to 8 caps per day...length of use 2 weeks to 8 weeks straight.

gopro · 10-29-2007, 02:11 PM

I have been waiting until a few of my clients had completed 4 weeks on the product, which is the amount I sent them for testing. While the initial response to the product is important, I believe you need at least 4 weeks to see if a fat burner is doing its job.

The first of my clients to complete the 4 weeks is a 28 year-old female. She started out at 18% bodyfat and did not train or eat any differently for all of the 4 weeks. I asked her to rate and quickly talk about each area I touched on myself in earlier posts....

-Fat Burning Ability...10
-Energy Enhancement...7
-Mood Affects...9
-Appetite Suppressing Capability...10
-Side Effects...9

Fat Burning: "I went from 18% bodyfat to 16% in the 4 weeks. I was measured using calipers by the same trainer at my gym both times. I ate the same, did the workouts you prescribed and did not alter my cardio. I did not notice a huge change in my upper body, but my legs thinned out considerably!"

Energy Enhancement: "I am used to ephedra and products like Redline, which really speed me up. Meltdown does not get me "amped" but still gets me going after a long day at work. The only way I can describe it is like a 'calm energy,' if that makes any sense. Its very different, but what I like about it is that once I am done training I feel very calm and relaxed. I can take MD fairly late and still get to sleep."

Mood Effects: "Within 20 minutes of taking MD I definitely feel happier. Not that I am a sad person, but it just elevates my mood. I think I laugh at jokes that are not even that funny when I take MD, lol"

Appetite Suppressing: "This is one of the most potent effects for me. Normally after about 2 hours I start thinking about my next meal. In other words, my stomach tells me it is time to eat. However, I almost missed several meals while taking MD, which can be good and bad. I had to start setting the alarm on my phone to tell me to eat when I was scheduled to. I had no problem eating my meals once I sat down to them, but I just stopped 'thinking' about food. Also, my craving for sweets was almost non-existent on MD."

Side Effects: "For the first couple of days I think my tummy was a bit upset. Not 100% sure it was the MD, but nothing else changed, so I am assuming it was. However, that just meant an extra trip or two to the ladie's room...nothing too bad, LOL. After the 4th day my stomach seemed fine again, and I had no further issues."

Overall: "No doubt I will look to use MD when it is available. I would like to try it when leaning down for a competition, and give it a good 8 week run. It will certainly make dieting far easier and its effects lasted at the same level for all 4 weeks. Most fat burners seem to stop working after 2-3 weeks. That said, at times when I am REALLY dragging my butt (like 5 am cardio), I may still opt for VPX Redline or some good ole ephedra!"

I have 2 more clients going onto their 4th week on MD, and I will report on them when I have their feedback.

I myself am on week 5 and I will report my results once I finish my 6-week cycle.

PreMier · 10-29-2007, 03:46 PM

cool, posts like this are good. thanks eric

gopro · 10-29-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

cool, posts like this are good. thanks eric

No problem. VPX asked me to really get behind the product, but ONLY IF it proved itself to me...and so far it has. I will have more for you guys soon.

(I am only posting this stuff up on a few selected sites by the way...only the ones that I feel I wanted to introduce the product to).

gopro · 11-05-2007, 04:11 PM

This is the feedback from my next client. He is a 32 year old male and just finished 4 weeks on Meltdown. Week one he did 1 cap three times per day. Week two he did 2 caps twice per day. Weeks three and four he did 3 caps twice per day. Diet was unchanged, as was he general training program and cardio.

-Fat Burning Ability...9
-Energy Enhancement...8
-Mood Affects...10
-Appetite Suppressing Capability...8
-Side Effects...9

Fat Burning: "I have only gotten decent results in the past from fat burners...even ephedra-based ones. I find some of the newer ones to be ok...Lipo-6, Hydroxycut Hardcore, and Methyl Ripped are all pretty good. I honestly did not expect much from Meltdown, and only took it because you asked me to, and I trust you (being my coach). Anyway, after 4 weeks I am pleased to let you know that I lost 4.5 lbs and my bodyfat went from 11% to 9.5%! I am more vascular and definitely more separated. And this was with the same diet and same caloric intake you set for me 8 weeks ago!"

Energy Enhancement: "As you know, I am not a huge fan of the way stimulants make me feel in general. I only take them to try and enhance fat burning, not to get me through workouts. That said, I found Meltdown to give me a pretty decent energy boost without it being overwhelming or uncomfortable. It might not be the type of boost that an ephedra-junkie likes, but for me it is just perfect. Not too much or too little. There is also a definite feeling of 'tunnel vision' that comes with Meltdown. I feel it focuses me more at the task at hand."

Mood Effects: "Aside from the lost bodyfat, this is my favorite aspect of Meltdown! You did not tell me what to expect from this stuff when you gave it to me, so this is not a placebo effect. I did not really feel this until I started taking 2 caps at a time, and it was even more noticable at 3 caps. Yes, this stuff puts me in a great mood! I own my own business and my employees usually find me to be a bit grumpy. But on Meltdown I was far more pleasant to be around, and everyone definitely let me know this. My secretary asked me just the other day when I would be getting more 'happy caps!"

Appetite Suppressing: "I am not a huge eater as you know. Normally you have to force me to get in the 6 meals per day you prescribe. Well, Meltdown made it even harder to get these meals in...at least in the beginning. By the final week this effect was still there, but not as strongly. Meltdown is probably really good for those that are always hungry."

Side Effects: "For the first 3 days I emailed you and told you that I felt quite nauseous on Meltdown. By the 4th day it was a bit better. After a week I was fine. When I upped the dose each time, the nausea returned, but again, only for the first few days. Aside from this, I cannot point to any bad effects. I was worried that because I tend to train late in the day (and that you wanted me to have one dose before workouts), that I would have trouble falling asleep, but that was not a problem at all."

Overall: "This stuff is a home run for sure...at least for me. To be able to FEEL GOOD, focus better, AND lose bodyfat, without any real negative effects is wonderful. VPX did a nice job on this one. If the price is somewhat reasonable I think it will do very, very well for them."

gopro · 11-06-2007, 02:33 PM

Quote from former IFBB pro Eddie Robinson about VPX Meltdown...

"The Meltdown in Amazing. Great energy / fat Loss product without the jitters."

soxmuscle · 11-06-2007, 05:57 PM

If you like it so much, why don't you marry it?

**IainDaniel** · 11-06-2007, 05:58 PM

We ever going to hear how much VPX is gonna rape us for this product?

soxmuscle · 11-06-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

We ever going to hear how much VPX is gonna rape us for this product?

You buy VPX products, for this very purpose.

**IainDaniel** · 11-06-2007, 06:30 PM

never bought this brand in my life.

PreMier · 11-06-2007, 06:33 PM

i've never bought any of their product, but i have used them( i love free stuff)and they are usually top notch

when is the release date?

soxmuscle · 11-06-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

never bought this brand in my life.

...All in good fun, Iain.

gopro · 11-06-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

i've never bought any of their product, but i have used them( i love free stuff)and they are usually top notch

when is the release date?

It looks like December now.

gopro · 11-06-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

If you like it so much, why don't you marry it?

It would, but I won't sign the pre-nup.

gopro · 11-06-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

We ever going to hear how much VPX is gonna rape us for this product?

I don't know the cost yet, although I DO KNOW that you get what you pay for in this industry. VPX generally costs more because they use the best raw materials and use the most expensive forms of every ingredient.

Bodybuilding.com will have the best price...that is for sure.

**Prince** · 11-06-2007, 10:15 PM

well, I have to disagree with that one Eric, with the big companies they jack up the prices to support their advertising, marketing and pro bodybuilders they employ.

gopro · 11-07-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince

well, I have to disagree with that one Eric, with the big companies they jack up the prices to support their advertising, marketing and pro bodybuilders they employ.

That is true, but I also know what the big companies do to separate their products from the others...BSN, MT (and MAP), ALRI, VPX, etc make sure to use the best ingredients/raw materials and manufacturing procedures.

But, speaking just about VPX and Meltdown specifically, I saw on paper how much money it takes to put this product together. How much each raw material costs and also how much it set them back to synthesize the formula, and it will have to cost more money in stores than most other products.

The results so far speak for themselves, and as a supplement consumer, I know I would be willing to spend an extra $10-20 a month on a product that does what it is supposed to, as opposed to one that does nada.

**Prince** · 11-07-2007, 06:10 PM

the only product I have used of VPX is Redline and it works great, I just ordered their Zero Impact bars, hoping they taste good and don't give me upset stomach and gas like many bars do.

gopro · 11-09-2007, 02:11 PM

Looks like BBing.com will have a 120 capsule size of Meltdown for about $38.99 (retail is about $65). I am actually surprised/happy it will be offered at such a low price!

Triple Threat · 11-09-2007, 03:40 PM

What would be a normal dosing? Is this something that should be taken every day or can days be skipped?

DOMS · 11-09-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

the only product I have used of VPX is Redline and it works great, I just ordered their Zero Impact bars, hoping they taste good and don't give me upset stomach and gas like many bars do.

I really like Redline.

glennmo · 11-09-2007, 09:13 PM

I have a familial tremor so I have to be selective. I've worked my way up to full dose with methyl ripped over 6 weeks. How much does MD exaserbate a tremor?

10-24-2007, 11:39 PM	#33
b_reed23 this is why I'm hot! Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 5,348 Photos: 39	have they said what kind of price we are looking at here?? My Journal!

10-25-2007, 01:20 PM	#34
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	Moving on to MD's ability to act as an appetite suppressant...while some guys at the VPX offices told me that their appetites totally disappear to the point that they forget to eat, this has not happened to me. However, what HAS happened is that I am less hungry and also have less cravings for carbs. I normally diet on low carbs, so I am used to it, but some days I am ok and others I want to eat only bread, cereal, rice, pasta, etc. Of course I don't, but the craving is there. Since starting MD I have not had a single day like that. I feel this makes this product EXTREMELY useful when looking to lean out in terms of being able to "happily stick to" your diet. Lastly, I will talk about side effects. Ok, done! LOL...so far I have not had any noticeable side effects. The first couple of days I had a tiny nervous feeling in my chest, but nowhere near what most fat burners give me. Other than that, I cannot point to anything negative. However, this is an area that varies from person to person quite a bit, so I will soon be talking with all of my clients (testing MD) in detail about all of the above criteria and discussing it here. All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

10-25-2007, 06:41 PM	#36
nni Driven Sports Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: . Posts: 1,666	knowing the ingredients it sounds t good to be true, literally. methyl tta + methyl synephrine and a nice dosage of yohimbine and no side effets of note? you are starting to lose me now. www.getds.com www.drivensports.co.uk

10-29-2007, 02:11 PM	#40
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	I have been waiting until a few of my clients had completed 4 weeks on the product, which is the amount I sent them for testing. While the initial response to the product is important, I believe you need at least 4 weeks to see if a fat burner is doing its job. The first of my clients to complete the 4 weeks is a 28 year-old female. She started out at 18% bodyfat and did not train or eat any differently for all of the 4 weeks. I asked her to rate and quickly talk about each area I touched on myself in earlier posts.... -Fat Burning Ability...10 -Energy Enhancement...7 -Mood Affects...9 -Appetite Suppressing Capability...10 -Side Effects...9 Fat Burning: "I went from 18% bodyfat to 16% in the 4 weeks. I was measured using calipers by the same trainer at my gym both times. I ate the same, did the workouts you prescribed and did not alter my cardio. I did not notice a huge change in my upper body, but my legs thinned out considerably!" Energy Enhancement: "I am used to ephedra and products like Redline, which really speed me up. Meltdown does not get me "amped" but still gets me going after a long day at work. The only way I can describe it is like a 'calm energy,' if that makes any sense. Its very different, but what I like about it is that once I am done training I feel very calm and relaxed. I can take MD fairly late and still get to sleep." Mood Effects: "Within 20 minutes of taking MD I definitely feel happier. Not that I am a sad person, but it just elevates my mood. I think I laugh at jokes that are not even that funny when I take MD, lol" Appetite Suppressing: "This is one of the most potent effects for me. Normally after about 2 hours I start thinking about my next meal. In other words, my stomach tells me it is time to eat. However, I almost missed several meals while taking MD, which can be good and bad. I had to start setting the alarm on my phone to tell me to eat when I was scheduled to. I had no problem eating my meals once I sat down to them, but I just stopped 'thinking' about food. Also, my craving for sweets was almost non-existent on MD." Side Effects: "For the first couple of days I think my tummy was a bit upset. Not 100% sure it was the MD, but nothing else changed, so I am assuming it was. However, that just meant an extra trip or two to the ladie's room...nothing too bad, LOL. After the 4th day my stomach seemed fine again, and I had no further issues." Overall: "No doubt I will look to use MD when it is available. I would like to try it when leaning down for a competition, and give it a good 8 week run. It will certainly make dieting far easier and its effects lasted at the same level for all 4 weeks. Most fat burners seem to stop working after 2-3 weeks. That said, at times when I am REALLY dragging my butt (like 5 am cardio), I may still opt for VPX Redline or some good ole ephedra!" I have 2 more clients going onto their 4th week on MD, and I will report on them when I have their feedback. I myself am on week 5 and I will report my results once I finish my 6-week cycle. All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

10-29-2007, 03:46 PM	#41
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	cool, posts like this are good. thanks eric P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

11-05-2007, 04:11 PM	#43
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	This is the feedback from my next client. He is a 32 year old male and just finished 4 weeks on Meltdown. Week one he did 1 cap three times per day. Week two he did 2 caps twice per day. Weeks three and four he did 3 caps twice per day. Diet was unchanged, as was he general training program and cardio. -Fat Burning Ability...9 -Energy Enhancement...8 -Mood Affects...10 -Appetite Suppressing Capability...8 -Side Effects...9 Fat Burning: "I have only gotten decent results in the past from fat burners...even ephedra-based ones. I find some of the newer ones to be ok...Lipo-6, Hydroxycut Hardcore, and Methyl Ripped are all pretty good. I honestly did not expect much from Meltdown, and only took it because you asked me to, and I trust you (being my coach). Anyway, after 4 weeks I am pleased to let you know that I lost 4.5 lbs and my bodyfat went from 11% to 9.5%! I am more vascular and definitely more separated. And this was with the same diet and same caloric intake you set for me 8 weeks ago!" Energy Enhancement: "As you know, I am not a huge fan of the way stimulants make me feel in general. I only take them to try and enhance fat burning, not to get me through workouts. That said, I found Meltdown to give me a pretty decent energy boost without it being overwhelming or uncomfortable. It might not be the type of boost that an ephedra-junkie likes, but for me it is just perfect. Not too much or too little. There is also a definite feeling of 'tunnel vision' that comes with Meltdown. I feel it focuses me more at the task at hand." Mood Effects: "Aside from the lost bodyfat, this is my favorite aspect of Meltdown! You did not tell me what to expect from this stuff when you gave it to me, so this is not a placebo effect. I did not really feel this until I started taking 2 caps at a time, and it was even more noticable at 3 caps. Yes, this stuff puts me in a great mood! I own my own business and my employees usually find me to be a bit grumpy. But on Meltdown I was far more pleasant to be around, and everyone definitely let me know this. My secretary asked me just the other day when I would be getting more 'happy caps!" Appetite Suppressing: "I am not a huge eater as you know. Normally you have to force me to get in the 6 meals per day you prescribe. Well, Meltdown made it even harder to get these meals in...at least in the beginning. By the final week this effect was still there, but not as strongly. Meltdown is probably really good for those that are always hungry." Side Effects: "For the first 3 days I emailed you and told you that I felt quite nauseous on Meltdown. By the 4th day it was a bit better. After a week I was fine. When I upped the dose each time, the nausea returned, but again, only for the first few days. Aside from this, I cannot point to any bad effects. I was worried that because I tend to train late in the day (and that you wanted me to have one dose before workouts), that I would have trouble falling asleep, but that was not a problem at all." Overall: "This stuff is a home run for sure...at least for me. To be able to FEEL GOOD, focus better, AND lose bodyfat, without any real negative effects is wonderful. VPX did a nice job on this one. If the price is somewhat reasonable I think it will do very, very well for them." All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

11-06-2007, 02:33 PM	#44
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	Quote from former IFBB pro Eddie Robinson about VPX Meltdown... "The Meltdown in Amazing. Great energy / fat Loss product without the jitters." All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

11-06-2007, 05:57 PM	#45
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 10,045 Photos: 10	If you like it so much, why don't you marry it? Age: 20 \| Height: 5'7" \| Weight: 150 lbs \| Penis: 12 inches

11-06-2007, 05:58 PM	#46
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	We ever going to hear how much VPX is gonna rape us for this product? Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

11-06-2007, 06:30 PM	#48
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	never bought this brand in my life. Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan

11-06-2007, 06:33 PM	#49
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	i've never bought any of their product, but i have used them( i love free stuff)and they are usually top notch when is the release date? P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

11-06-2007, 10:15 PM	#54
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,407 Photos: 356	well, I have to disagree with that one Eric, with the big companies they jack up the prices to support their advertising, marketing and pro bodybuilders they employ. BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore IronMagLabs.com - Bodybuilding Nutrition AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders & Supplements CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding & Training Blog Maximizer.com - Maximum Strength for Maximum Performance MikeGetsRipped.com - The Original 'Get Ripped' Blog ProteinRoutine.com - Experiments in Healthy Living Follow on Twitter Join Facebook Group Befriend on Myspace

11-07-2007, 06:10 PM	#56
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,407 Photos: 356	the only product I have used of VPX is Redline and it works great, I just ordered their Zero Impact bars, hoping they taste good and don't give me upset stomach and gas like many bars do. BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore IronMagLabs.com - Bodybuilding Nutrition AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders & Supplements CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding & Training Blog Maximizer.com - Maximum Strength for Maximum Performance MikeGetsRipped.com - The Original 'Get Ripped' Blog ProteinRoutine.com - Experiments in Healthy Living Follow on Twitter Join Facebook Group Befriend on Myspace

11-09-2007, 02:11 PM	#57
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	Looks like BBing.com will have a 120 capsule size of Meltdown for about $38.99 (retail is about $65). I am actually surprised/happy it will be offered at such a low price! All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

11-09-2007, 03:40 PM	#58
Triple Threat End of the world Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lost Posts: 10,444 Photos: 6	What would be a normal dosing? Is this something that should be taken every day or can days be skipped?

11-09-2007, 09:13 PM	#60
glennmo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 70	I have a familial tremor so I have to be selective. I've worked my way up to full dose with methyl ripped over 6 weeks. How much does MD exaserbate a tremor?

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