Vpx's New Meltdown...

**Prince** · 12-05-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

The original liquid clenbutrx? Hard to say as far as fat burning goes, as Meltdown is still too new. For me they seem to work about equally, but I still think that E/C/Y is still the best fat burning stack to date for most.

As far as crazy energy goes, most will "feel" Clenbutrx more, but the type of energy I get from MD is far more productive in my opinion. It is not a nervous energy, but more like pure focus and concentration for the task at hand.

Also, ephedra tends to make me irritable, while MD puts me in good spirits.

sorry, I should have clarified, I was asking about Clenbuterol.

PreMier · 12-05-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

very interesting.

why? thoughts?

**nni** · 12-05-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

why? thoughts?

it was just interesting to finally see the panel and read the doses and full list of ingredients.

oh yes i have thoughts.

**Prince** · 12-05-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

why? thoughts?

yeah, good marketing!

**gopro** · 12-05-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PreMier

why? thoughts?

Of course he has thoughts...and we are all DYING to hear them

**gopro** · 12-05-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

sorry, I should have clarified, I was asking about Clenbuterol.

You were asking me to compare Meltdown to clenbuterol? Are you being serious?

**Prince** · 12-05-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

You were asking me to compare Meltdown to clenbuterol? Are you being serious?

yeah, I take it that means no comparison?

**nni** · 12-05-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gopro

Of course he has thoughts...and we are all DYING to hear them

hehe, you are a nice guy, and i wont sully up this thread with my thoughts. to sumarize though, i dont know why vpx is in the current trend of esterizing and methylating products that have no issue being absorbed by the body.

**Prince** · 12-05-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

hehe, you are a nice guy, and i wont sully up this thread with my thoughts. to sumarize though, i dont know why vpx is in the current trend of esterizing and methylating products that have no issue being absorbed by the body.

it's called creative marketing.

**nni** · 12-05-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

it's called creative marketing.

oh i know, im being nice here

although sometimes when you esterize something that is properly absorbed you can create a dangerous compound.

**gopro** · 12-05-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Prince

yeah, I take it that means no comparison?

I cannot make a fair comparison between two things when I have used only one. Plus, I do not like comparing OTC supps to drugs.

**gopro** · 12-05-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

hehe, you are a nice guy, and i wont sully up this thread with my thoughts. to sumarize though, i dont know why vpx is in the current trend of esterizing and methylating products that have no issue being absorbed by the body.

Ok, let me just put it to you like this...

I have been in this business a loooooooong time (in every facet)..I don't take bullsh%t and I don't hand it out. I train clients all over the world through reputation alone, and that means it is essential that I TRULY believe in any product that I represent or recommend. I don't NEED to work with VPX...I have chosen to based on what I have seen with Meltdown.

Here is the bottom line....if you want to burn some fat, it seems that MD gets this done...if you want to suppress your need for carbs, it seems MD gets this done...if you want excellent focus and concentration, it seems MD gets this done...if you want to have a great feeling of well-being, it seems that MD gets this done...if you want a product to provide all of this without much in the way of side effects, it seems MD gets this done.

In several people that have been taking large amounts of Meltdown for 12 weeks straight there have been NO INDICATIONS of any negative side effects or harm to the body as evidenced through blood tests.

Good marketing or not, Meltdown is the real deal and is another solid product in the supplement market. Will EVERYONE love it? No, of course not. But I bet that overall concensus will be highly positive for most users.

workingatit43 · 12-05-2007, 08:49 PM

Wow it seems as though some are putting gopro through the ringer here. I say the only way to find out is to try it. I am going to give it a whirl as i can not deal with the sides from Eph. I will be happy to do a log for better or worse when i do. I do not have any conflicts of intrest with VPX or gopro. I will take him for his word if it works it will benifit me if not not really a huge deal.

I say let's give him a break till others have tried and report back just my opinion

**nni** · 12-05-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

Wow it seems as though some are putting gopro through the ringer here. I say the only way to find out is to try it. I am going to give it a whirl as i can not deal with the sides from Eph. I will be happy to do a log for better or worse when i do. I do not have any conflicts of intrest with VPX or gopro. I will take him for his word if it works it will benifit me if not not really a huge deal.

I say let's give him a break till others have tried and report back just my opinion

i havent put him through the ringer, i havent gone into the product at all, to me the product is suspect, and the results are phenomenal. it is out of respect to gopro that i havent elaborated on anything. im sure gopro is telling the truth, so that isnt up for question, but i tend to look at ingredients about new products, feedback is a touchy thing in the real world.

**gopro** · 12-05-2007, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

Wow it seems as though some are putting gopro through the ringer here. I say the only way to find out is to try it. I am going to give it a whirl as i can not deal with the sides from Eph. I will be happy to do a log for better or worse when i do. I do not have any conflicts of intrest with VPX or gopro. I will take him for his word if it works it will benifit me if not not really a huge deal.

I say let's give him a break till others have tried and report back just my opinion

I do want to thank you for your support (it is quite appreciated), but truly I am not being put through the ringer by nni, or anyone else. I am quite suspicious of most new products that come out on the market, just as any smart consumer should be. I will answer any questions about Meltdown with complete honesty, and truth be told, if it did not work for me and my clients significantly well I would not be involved in the launch of this product...period.

Also remember that nni is involved in the supplement industry and works for a small rival company...it is his job to look closely and raise an eyebrow at what other companies put out on the market.

I on the other hand am a writer/trainer/contest-prep coach first, and now have little to do with the supplement industry directly...at least compared to when I was employed by VPX.

**nni** · 12-05-2007, 09:18 PM

glad you dont think i am attacking you. and this is less me as a competitor, more as a consumer who questions every new sup. add in a little boredom and there you go.

**gopro** · 12-05-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

glad you dont think i am attacking you. and this is less me as a competitor, more as a consumer who questions every new sup. add in a little boredom and there you go.

I can respect that

soxmuscle · 12-05-2007, 11:29 PM

I will say...

While VPX Red Line (liquid and pill) did nothing for me, Basic Cuts didn't do anything for me either. Thing is, Basic Cuts are pretty much how they are advertised, basic focus/energy enhancer.

jchappj · 12-06-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nni

glad you dont think i am attacking you. and this is less me as a competitor, more as a consumer who questions every new sup. add in a little boredom and there you go.

I too am a little skeptical of anything that promises the world. Most of the time the world turns out to be very disappointing.
That having been said, I've never seen gopro endorse anything. He's really sticking his neck out for this product and he knows it. Must be something to it. I'll probably try it when it gets released.

**gopro** · 12-06-2007, 10:59 AM

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I too am a little skeptical of anything that promises the world. Most of the time the world turns out to be very disappointing.
That having been said, I've never seen gopro endorse anything. He's really sticking his neck out for this product and he knows it. Must be something to it. I'll probably try it when it gets released.

And of course, I am NOT making any guarantees! I am only reporting on 2 things...my experience, and the experiences of those that have tested the product. As with any product, results will vary among individuals. That said, I DO feel that Meltdown will prove itself to be one of the better fat burners on the market, and perhaps the best mood elevator/focus enhancer.

**Prince** · 12-06-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I will say...

While VPX Red Line (liquid and pill) did nothing for me, Basic Cuts didn't do anything for me either. Thing is, Basic Cuts are pretty much how they are advertised, basic focus/energy enhancer.

have you tried Lean Fuel Extreme yet?
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**nni** · 12-06-2007, 12:32 PM

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I will say...

While VPX Red Line (liquid and pill) did nothing for me, Basic Cuts didn't do anything for me either. Thing is, Basic Cuts are pretty much how they are advertised, basic focus/energy enhancer.

it takes 3+ pills for basic cuts to give me energy.

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workingatit43 AI/Sbmuscle Rep Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ma Posts: 809	Wow it seems as though some are putting gopro through the ringer here. I say the only way to find out is to try it. I am going to give it a whirl as i can not deal with the sides from Eph. I will be happy to do a log for better or worse when i do. I do not have any conflicts of intrest with VPX or gopro. I will take him for his word if it works it will benifit me if not not really a huge deal. I say let's give him a break till others have tried and report back just my opinion