Thread: Vpx's New Meltdown...

Originally Posted by opa22001

hey gopro was wondering wat other supplemnts can you use with vpx meltdown to promote fat loss?

You could possibly add in something to block cortisol, like 11-OXO and L-carnitine as well.

Originally Posted by bricklayer85

The first meltdown didnt do shit for me. What makes this one so much different and why reinvent something? It seems like this product already failed because of the "improvement", why admit mistakes and make the general public realize they spent money foolishly on something that didnt work in the first place?

1-The 1st MD may not have worked for YOU, but it DID work well for many.

2-The new MD is a competely new animal, sharing NOTHING with the first. They could have named it something else, but already own the name MD and wanted to use it for this new product. Pretty simple.

gopro,

I love meltdown. In two weeks I have lost more than 2% on my BMI (I was at 30% unfortunately). I went in to GNC to get another bottle of Meldown and noticed VPX's Redline right next to it. What is the difference between the two?

let me ask you one simple question -

if it did not work for you, why do you insist on stabbing the probe deeper? negativity is not productive.

ok it did not work for you, we get it. move on! try something else.

let the rest of us who truly have relevent questions ask them in peace.

Originally Posted by Helavagal

gopro,

I love meltdown. In two weeks I have lost more than 2% on my BMI (I was at 30% unfortunately). I went in to GNC to get another bottle of Meldown and noticed VPX's Redline right next to it. What is the difference between the two?

I am glad MD worked well for you. I love the stuff. I do not like the way Redline makes me "feel." Redline works better for energy and MD for focus/fat loss. This is what I have found myself, and through hundreds of testimonials.

It is funny, there are true proponents of each product...some who swear by Redline and some who swear by MD.

Originally Posted by bricklayer85

How many is many? Isnt that a broad statement to make?

Not simple really, kind of dumb because if they "improved" it-what was wrong with the first one, especially since it hasnt been proven to work on "many"?

Complacency is the enemy of any good company. When you make new discoveries in technology or useful ingedients, why would you not make improvements.

With your way of thinking, the world would remain at a standstill.

Originally Posted by gopro

Complacency is the enemy of any good company. When you make new discoveries in technology or useful ingedients, why would you not make improvements.

With your way of thinking, the world would remain at a standstill.

I couldn't agree more.

Thank you for the info you posted above. I will stick to MD.

Originally Posted by Helavagal

I couldn't agree more.

Thank you for the info you posted above. I will stick to MD.

Thank you, and continued success!!

Originally Posted by bricklayer85

what bathroom wall did you read that off of, because youre not very original. Ever.

I was not trying to be original...I was just speaking the truth. You apparently do not believe in innovation or improvments, so if the whole world thought like you cars would still go only 30 miles per hour, computers would be machines that took up entire rooms, and the only supplements available would be liver tabs. Just plain and simple truth.

it was reformulated? what was changed, the last label i saw looked the same. methyl tta and all. still a compound i wouldnt touch.

Originally Posted by gopro

Complacency is the enemy of any good company. When you make new discoveries in technology or useful ingredients, why would you not make improvements.

That is true, but the two supplements that are scientifically proven and have been around for many years: creatine and whey protein.

Originally Posted by gopro

... the only supplements available would be liver tabs...

Quite honestly, there's more benefit to be had from heavy compounds and good food than from any supplements. Take Cuba, for instance - they only train on very basic equipment, and the availability of supplements is virtually nil due to embargos. Still, when a buddy of mine returned from a recent vacation, she was astonished at the level of conditioning she saw in the gyms there. If there weren't so many over-hyped "magic beans" on the market, maybe we'd see people <gasp!> actually have to learn how to diet and train!

Originally Posted by Prince

That is true, but the two supplements that are scientifically proven and have been around for many years: creatine and whey protein.

Indeed. Innovation is fine when it in fact improves upon existing products. Where it fails to perform is where the existing solution is already optimal. There are a few truly useful supplements:fish oil, whey and dextrose (which are really just foods), a multi, creatine, and caffeine will not steer you far wrong. A few other bits and pieces - ephedrine and perhaps yohimbine for cutting come to mind - but for the most part, these are the biggest "bang for buck" supps out there and they've all stood the test of time. (Heh - and pubmed!)

Outside of these, the sad fact is that in many cases, "new and improved" is often nothing but window dressing at best - or at worst only serves to illustrate that old chestnut: "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is!"

My .02 CDN.

Originally Posted by nni

it was reformulated? what was changed, the last label i saw looked the same. methyl tta and all. still a compound i wouldnt touch.

No, the ORIGINAL MD was taken off the market years ago and the new product was again called MD. Not really a reformulation, but a relaunch. As far as you not touching that compound, well, I guess that is one less sale for them. But, MD has already become a monster for VPX, and I have used the product myself with great results. Since ephedra was banned I see MD as one of the best fat burners on the market. And I have nothing to do with VPX anymore.

Originally Posted by Prince

That is true, but the two supplements that are scientifically proven and have been around for many years: creatine and whey protein.

True...but that does not mean there are many more compounds out there that work very well.

Originally Posted by Built

Quite honestly, there's more benefit to be had from heavy compounds and good food than from any supplements. Take Cuba, for instance - they only train on very basic equipment, and the availability of supplements is virtually nil due to embargos. Still, when a buddy of mine returned from a recent vacation, she was astonished at the level of conditioning she saw in the gyms there. If there weren't so many over-hyped "magic beans" on the market, maybe we'd see people <gasp!> actually have to learn how to diet and train!



Indeed. Innovation is fine when it in fact improves upon existing products. Where it fails to perform is where the existing solution is already optimal. There are a few truly useful supplements:fish oil, whey and dextrose (which are really just foods), a multi, creatine, and caffeine will not steer you far wrong. A few other bits and pieces - ephedrine and perhaps yohimbine for cutting come to mind - but for the most part, these are the biggest "bang for buck" supps out there and they've all stood the test of time. (Heh - and pubmed!)

Outside of these, the sad fact is that in many cases, "new and improved" is often nothing but window dressing at best - or at worst only serves to illustrate that old chestnut: "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is!"

My .02 CDN.

Nobody EVER said that proper training/diet could be replaced by supplements...at least nobody with half a brain. That is why they are called "supplements."

There are many, many useful products out there outside of the one's you have mentioned, although you mentioned some of the best.

I have been involved intimately in the supplement side of the business for many years and know exactly what works and what is pure hype. And there are still many more discoveries to be made.

Originally Posted by gopro

No, the ORIGINAL MD was taken off the market years ago and the new product was again called MD. Not really a reformulation, but a relaunch. As far as you not touching that compound, well, I guess that is one less sale for them. But, MD has already become a monster for VPX, and I have used the product myself with great results. Since ephedra was banned I see MD as one of the best fat burners on the market. And I have nothing to do with VPX anymore.

While the herb Ephedra was banned, the pure Ephedrine HCL was not. It is and always has been legal for sale in the US.

What changed is that it can no longer be added to a diet pill or so-called "fat burner" - which means meatheads continue to do what we've always done with it: buy it cheap as a decongestant and stack it cheap with generic caffeine. Best and most researched fatburner in the world and it's cheap as dirt.

Originally Posted by Built

What changed is that it can no longer be added to a diet pill or so-called "fat burner"

yes it can.

It can?

Originally Posted by Built

It can?

yes, that was overturned in a court quite awhile back, but most companies don't want to touch ephedra because of the liability and the cost of insurance.

Originally Posted by gopro

No, the ORIGINAL MD was taken off the market years ago and the new product was again called MD. Not really a reformulation, but a relaunch. As far as you not touching that compound, well, I guess that is one less sale for them. But, MD has already become a monster for VPX, and I have used the product myself with great results. Since ephedra was banned I see MD as one of the best fat burners on the market. And I have nothing to do with VPX anymore.

i dont. like i originally said, im not a fan. plus tta has been shown in a recent study to decrease heart efficiency, so lets methylate that, woohoo! no need for methyl hordenine either, its just unnecessary manipulations. and yohimbe has its own troubles. i wouldnt rate it highly at all. sales do not mean anything, the consumer base is full of people who have no idea what they are putting into their bodies, and will jump at the flashiest ads. by that logic, nitrotech is the best protein available, and no-xplode is the ultimate pre workout drink.

Originally Posted by Prince

yes, that was overturned in a court quite awhile back, but most companies don't want to touch ephedra because of the liability and the cost of insurance.

i could have sworn it is limited to like 8mg or something. not sure.

Originally Posted by nni

i could have sworn it is limited to like 8mg or something. not sure.

I have a bottle Anabolic Entities ephBURN 25 and it has:

Ma Huang (8% extract) 312.5mg (25mg of ephedra)

Originally Posted by Prince

yes, that was overturned in a court quite awhile back, but most companies don't want to touch ephedra because of the liability and the cost of insurance.

Originally Posted by nni

i could have sworn it is limited to like 8mg or something. not sure.

Originally Posted by Prince

I have a bottle Anabolic Entities ephBURN 25 and it has:

Ma Huang (8% extract) 312.5mg (25mg of ephedra)

Ephedra is an herb. Ephedrine HCL however is not a botanical extract - it is made synthetically: GB Patent 302940 - Process for the manufacture of phenyl-methyl-amino-propanol (synthetic ephedrine)

For what it's worth, from wikipedia

Ephedrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USA

Ephedrine itself has never been illegal in the United States. In 1997, the FDA proposed a regulation on ephedra (the herb from which ephedrine is obtained), which limited an ephedra dose to 8 mg (of active ephedrine) with no more than 24 mg per day.[11] This proposed rule was withdrawn in part in 2000 because of "concerns regarding the agency's basis for proposing a certain dietary ingredient level and a duration of use limit for these products."[12] In 2004, the FDA created a ban on ephedrine alkaloids that are marketed for reasons other than asthma, colds, allergies, other disease, or traditional Asian use.[13] On April 14, 2005, the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah ruled that the FDA did not have proper evidence that low dosages of ephedrine alkaloids are actually unsafe,[2] but on August 17, 2006, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit in Denver upheld the FDA's final rule declaring all dietary supplements containing ephedrine alkaloids adulterated, and therefore illegal for marketing in the United States.[3] Ephedrine is, however, still legal in many applications outside of dietary supplements. However, purchasing is currently limited and monitored, with specifics varying from state to state.

The House passed the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005 as an amendment to the renewal of the USA PATRIOT Act. Signed into law by president George W. Bush on March 6, 2006, the act amended the US Code (21 USC 830) concerning the sale of ephedrine-containing products. The federal statute included the following requirements for merchants who sell these products:

* A retrievable record of all purchases identifying the name and address of each party to be kept for two years
* Required verification of proof of identity of all purchasers
* Required protection and disclosure methods in the collection of personal information
* Reports to the Attorney General of any suspicious payments or disappearances of the regulated products
* Non-liquid dose form of regulated product may only be sold in unit dose blister packs
* Regulated products are to be sold behind the counter or in a locked cabinet in such a way as to restrict access
* Daily sales of regulated products not to exceed 3.6 grams without regard to the number of transactions
* Monthly sales not to exceed 9 grams of pseudoephedrine base in regulated products

The law gives similar regulations to mail-order purchases, except the monthly sales limit is only 7.5 grams.

based on that the supplement that I have is illegal? it was obtained a couple of months ago from a retail supplement store here in Colorado.

According to my understanding, yes, it is illegal.

Originally Posted by Built

According to my understanding, yes, it is illegal.

I find that hard to believe, do a Google search, its being sold on numerous supplement sites: ECA Stack - In Stock - Read reviews, more - fast shipping!

<shrug>

Dunno. I just make homebrews anyway.

Newbie want's to know why isn't anyone posting any replies on this forum anymore?

I have been on Meltdown for the past month and at first i experienced the "focus" but it doesnt seem to be that dominant anymore. I also havent found the product to be as effective as all the reviews out there. I have been following a reasonable eating and workout plan and havent lost one kg...any suggestions??