Thread: weight lose/ creatine

Originally Posted by borat

Ok show me a study that says its good, a study by someone not selling it. Everybody that does a study and says its great is a saleman. Try asking a doctor.

studies are done my doctors and scientists, not supplement companies. if it is to be published it has to pass a peer review board, proving there is no bias and the study was done correctly.

and tell me, what supplement training does a medical doctor get? absolutely none. it is up to a doctor to take the time to learn about supplements, and why would they, it is not their job. very few are properly educated and take the stance just dont take them. yet they will readily prescribe medications with serious side effects.

i will not post one study for you. there are litterally hundreds, if you are so biased that you are putting your head in the sand, then so be it, i think will brink a few days ago made a thread about the latest creatine study. seriously go read, dont rely on bodybuilders who rely on AAS or doctors who dont care about supplements. rely on the unbiased studies that are released.

companies can SPONSOR a study, usually through a university, but do you honestly think that university would risk ruining its reputation by lying? this would ruin any future studies they would do and negate their medical departments legitimacy.

seriously research. you are way off base here.

'studies are done my doctors and scientists, not supplement companies'

OK they are done by doctors

'and tell me, what supplement training does a medical doctor get? absolutely none. it is up to a doctor to take the time to learn about supplements, and why would they, it is not their job. very few are properly educated and take the stance just dont take them. yet they will readily prescribe medications with serious side effects.'

Are these the same doctors that you are saying do the studies?

'dont rely on bodybuilders who rely on AAS or doctors who dont care about supplements. rely on the unbiased studies that are released.'

Dont rely on bodybuilder? or doctors? Ok the ones you say did your study? And why not rely on someone who uses it ,like a bodybuilder, should I rely on a company salesmen?

'companies can SPONSOR a study, usually through a university, but do you honestly think that university would risk ruining its reputation by lying? this would ruin any future studies they would do and negate their medical departments legitimacy.'

Yes, you get what you pay for, remember the studies on cigeretts? When they claimed they were not bad for?

Your not making much sense here , and I couldnt help but notice your with a suplement co.

Sorry about the above, I couldnt get the quote thing to work.

Originally Posted by borat

OK they are done by doctors
Are these the same doctors that you are saying do the studies?
Dont rely on bodybuilder? or doctors? Ok the ones you say did your study? And why not rely on someone who uses it ,like a bodybuilder, should I rely on a company salesmen?
Yes, you get what you pay for, remember the studies on cigeretts? When they claimed they were not bad for?
Your not making much sense here , and I couldnt help but notice your with a suplement co.

you are still lost. do you think everybody who is called a doctor is the same one that you go see when you are sick? medical doctors treat patients, they are not the same as scientists and phd and doctors that conduct research. your internal medicine doctor doesnt go on weekends and conduct trial studies at the local univeristy, he isnt qualified for that.

if you want to rely on a pro bodybuilder be my guess, but before he gives you any advice, ask him how much of his mass can be attributed to AAS usage. how long and how many cycles has he used?
so you are comparing today to 30+ years ago? that is quite an argument on your case.
yes i am with a supplement company, and notice i am not trying to sell you anything but information.

here is the bottom line, you are 100% wrong. there is so much scientific data saying this, that if you spent the time formulating your poor arguments against me to researching about creatine, then you might no be so vocal.

honestly, i am just trying to help, i dont care what you take and what you decide to do with your own body, i just dont want uninformed people spouting off and spreading misinformation.

now once again, i implore you, go read. read journals, read pubmed, hell read will brinks thread on this board, just read.

i felt bad for you, so here is the brink thread i alluded to...

ISSN position paper on creatine

The ISSN is a well respected organization.

Originally Posted by borat

Ok show me a study that says its good, a study by someone not selling it. Everybody that does a study and says its great is a saleman. Try asking a doctor.

A study? How about dozens, many of which can be found in my report on the topic at:

The Creatine Report - Fact, Effects, Side Effects, Benefits, Information and more....

Creatine has all manner of medical and health benefits, in addition to it's effects in the gym. I can supply as many studies as you want, but I put most of them in that report which will cover most of the medical and health uses of creatine as well as the anabolic effects, safety, etc,

Originally Posted by nni

i felt bad for you, so here is the brink thread i alluded to...

ISSN position paper on creatine

The ISSN is a well respected organization.

Doh, forgot I put that up. Good catch, thanx.

OK, I read all the reports. I gotta tell you Im not convinced. But anyway, I would love to be wrong here. If I can drink some wonder dust and get further ahead Id be real happy, so Im going out today and getting me a big ass container and trying it again. I havent taken the stuff for a few years so Im sure I will be able to notice a difference. I will let you know. But if it doesnt work Either way though , thanks for the info.

Borat you better have a bigger club Will look's pretty big. I started taking it again. The 5 pounds came back really quick but it did seem to help the recovery time a little. Thank's to everybody for the help.

Originally Posted by borat

OK, I read all the reports. I gotta tell you Im not convinced.

Then you didn't really read the report (at least mine anyway) or the studies you asked for (of which those are only a fraction of what exists) were not convincing for you. As I have had that report looked over by some of the top researchers involved, and I have given it to all manner of docs who had contacted me for more info on creatine, I am confident of it’s accuracy. Good luck with your use of creatine. Hope it works as well for you as it does for most people, but approx 30% are "non responders" to creatine.

Originally Posted by hello there

Borat you better have a bigger club Will look's pretty big.

Well you know what they say, never bring a club to a gun fight!

Thanks I will keep that in mind