Thread: weight lose/ creatine

Ever hear of osmotic balance? It's a term used to describe the tendency of solutions (specifically those in the body) to balance their level of dilution (ratio of solvent to solute; water to nutrients/molecules in the body). When you take in creatine the portion not excreted is stored in your muscle, this decreases the ratio of fluid:molecules in your muscle cells and iinterstitial fluids(stuff around and not inside the muscle cells). Because of this when your blood passses through the veins and arteries in your muscle, water is leeched from it because of the change in osmotic pressure related to the extra creatine there. When the creatine levels drop less water is needed in the muscle to balance osmotic pressure and it is returned to the blood stream and excreted.
Anyway, all that means is that you pissed away a good portion of the water weight you were carrying, hence the change in body weight and clearer muscle tone. A little extra water is not necessarily a big problem and if you want to lose it in the future you already know how to do it.

Thanks, but doesnt that mean that creatine basically makes you retain water?

Creatine is a waste of money. All is does is fill your muscles with water to make you look bigger. I dont know why anyone would bloat themselves on purpose like that.

You lost water weight, not fat or muscle.

If you like the way you look now, don't change it(?)

Thats exactly what I was saying. Drink creatine and carry around 5 pounds of water. Why does everybody think this crap works? You gain water not mucle

It works (for most). I'm just saying he shouldn't take it if he doesn't like the 'bloated' look.

I totally agree with you, Im just saying why do people take it just to look bloated? It just makes you look bigger, you would be better off spending the money on a steak.

There's more to creatine than just adding water weight.

Trust me I would love to hear from anyone that got more out of it than water, not trying to be a dick here but it doesnt do anything. Ask any real doctor what it does. Thats why you have to drinnk so much water when you take it.

Thanks for the help. Its not that I didnt like taking it. I was just surprised that I lost so much without it. It did seam to help me workout harder. i didnt seem to get tired as fast.

Originally Posted by borat

Trust me I would love to hear from anyone that got more out of it than water, not trying to be a dick here but it doesnt do anything. Ask any real doctor what it does. Thats why you have to drinnk so much water when you take it.

I tried a creatine multiplier and loved it. Workouts lasted longer, strength went up and I recovered quicker. I tried CEE and didn't really get anything out of it. I ordered mono yesterday to try.

I was taking mono, I cant remember the brand though.

When you started taking it, did you notice anything besides appearance?

My muscles didnt get tired as fast so I could lift more. It seemed to give me more energy, I took it just before I worked out and after.

OK let me guess you took it with grape juice right? Thats what helped you. Welches is alot cheaper and no 5 pounds of water.

Yep it was grape juice.

Well the fact of the matter is your liver actually produces creatine ( I'm not positive but maybe in amounts around 2grams/day) it's stored in your muscle and your muscles are pretty effecient at phosphorylating ADP on it's own. Thirdly you will consume creatine in varying amounts in all the meat you eat. A large part of the bulking related to creatine use is water retention, I know there are others who will argue me to the death but it's true. All you can do is decide for yourself, everyone is going to tell you something different so do some research be objective and weigh each side before you make a decision.

EXACTLY!! 100% correct. Creatine is just hype to waste your money on.

I am hearing both sides to the creatine subject. And like most supplements, Creatine may or may not work for you. You just have to try it and see what changes it causes in your body and how you feel...

Right?

Originally Posted by Matt Taylor

I am hearing both sides to the creatine subject. And like most supplements, Creatine may or may not work for you. You just have to try it and see what changes it causes in your body and how you feel...

Right?

I try to be as objective as I can but the science behind it really doesn't look good for creatine. Unless you're a very active high endurance athlete or possibly quite old you're basically putting a phosphate molecule where there's already plenty of it. For a vast majority of people using creatine the gains are water retention. But it's like you said, if it makes you feel better about yourself and your workout (also know as "placebo effect") then it's up to you to decide whether you want to throw the money out there.

Originally Posted by borat

EXACTLY!! 100% correct. Creatine is just hype to waste your money on.

Have you tried it before?

This creatine saturation effect provides several known benefits:
1. By increasing muscle creatine stores, you provide an effective ATP buffer for prolonged muscle energy production. This allows you to train at maximum muscular output for longer periods of time. In other words, you can lift heavier weights for more reps. This increase in muscular overload leads to faster and greater lean muscle gains
2. Increasing muscle creatine stores has a muscle cell "hyper-hydration" effect. This "hyper-hydration" effect is the result of increased creatine stores allowing more intracellular fluid into the muscle. This has a swelling effect on the muscle making it bigger and fuller.

Muscles typically are comprised of about 70% water. The "hyper-hydration" aspect of creatine may allow the muscle cell to hold 73% to 75% water effectively, making the muscle bigger in a rather short period of time. (Some individuals have reported 10 to 15 pound weight increases in as little as two weeks.)

Increasing muscle cell hydration leads to benefits in leverage for increased strength and possible reduction in lifting injuries.It is also believed that increasing muscle cell hydration may lead to greater protein accrual - solid lean muscle gains.

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That was just from a quick google, there is plenty of info on this site also.

Yes, it would be ignorant of me to rant about something I hadn't had some experience with. I can't say that I experienced any difference other than the water retention we've discussed.

I was asking borat but thanks for the reply.

Originally Posted by Mista

I was asking borat but thanks for the reply.

My bad lol!

When I started taking creatine the first time, which was about 3 years ago I put on 5Kg within a fortnight. I must admit that I did see some strength gains across the board and my muscles felt bigger, but i was at a fairly high BF% so I looked more chunky. It was just creatine mono. When I stopped taking it, I lost some strength, and a lot of weight (water) but I feel that I had made more gains in strenght during this period that I maintained. To me, I thought that it was a useful, cheap supplement that doesn't need cycling.

Best thing to do really is to go and buy some, It is probably the cheapest supp, apart from a multi-vitamin. Take it, and then decide for yourself if the benefits are worthwile versus the negatives.

also a lot of 'pre workout' things like no-xplode and other NO products contain creatine in it, so if you are taking any of these then you are already consuming enough.

Originally Posted by Mista

Have you tried it before?

I replied to this the other day but I think it got lost while the site was down, so here it is again.
Yes I have tried creatine. I took it for 3 years. I actually thought it worked. Luckily I was stuck on a plane with a bodybuilder and he explained in great detail that it was a waste of money and didnt really do anything. I tried working out without it and the energy that I thought I got from it was just the grape juice I took it with. I asked a few doctors at work and they all said the same thing, your body already produces it and any extra that you take will only bloat you and could possibly damage your liver. I really dont believe most supplements work. I cant remember who said it but 'eat big, lift big to get big' is really all that works, other than steriods of course. Look at all the guys before the must have cant live without product of the day came out. They all did fine without it. All I take now is a multi vitamine, protien shakes when I cant get to real food and eat better. I have gotton more out of that than I did for years of buying crap. There is no magic pill, just hard work.

if you cycle creatine properly it will work in all forms. especially if your using healthy creatine (arginine). only flaw is that it might do damage to your kidneys in the long run. but who gives a shit for now. the attitude is your young so nothing can stop you.