Thread: Bold/Havoc critique

Hey guys I will be turning 21 in February and I am looking to put together my first ph/ds stack. I have been researching for about a year. I have been training seriously and had a strict diet for about 3 years. In my first year of college I bulked up from 175 to about 205-210ish and was very satisfied. I have taken an 8 week cycle of Jungle Warfare in the past so don't know if you guys count that as ph experience. I am 5'10.5, 202 lbs, prob around 15%bf (estimate, never been tested).

2 weeks loading of Cycle Support
Week 1-4 Havoc 10/20/20/30
Week 1-8 Bold (800mg) ED + Testabolan 4 ED + Cycle Support
Week 8-11 Nolva 40/40/20/20 + Testabolan 4 ED + Cycle Support + creatine

1) Most people are telling me I should use some sort of liver support so I am leaning to getting liver longer. Should a take 2 pills a day for all 11 weeks, just on cycle, just with havoc, just post cycle therapy? Also, I recently read that liver longer is not as effective as a product called Life Extension Hepatopro, which one would you suggest? Do I need liver support with this stack at all?

2) Also, some guy said I should add in 6 oxo into my post cycle therapy but did not give me a reason, do u think I should? Anything else i should add into PCT to retain gains?

3)Also, for what parts of my cycle should I use one scoop of cycle support and what parts 2 scoops? Like should I use 1 scoop during pre-load and post cycle therapy and 2 on cycle? Do you think I need 2 tubs or 3 tubs of cycle support?

4) Is 800mg or bold too much? Is my dosing of havoc to low? I think I'm only going to do 10mg for first few days.

5) If you have any other suggestions or critiques feel free

I really appreciate all your help

Originally Posted by pitching101

Hey guys I will be turning 21 in February and I am looking to put together my first ph/ds stack. I have been researching for about a year. I have been training seriously and had a strict diet for about 3 years. In my first year of college I bulked up from 175 to about 205-210ish and was very satisfied. I have taken an 8 week cycle of Jungle Warfare in the past so don't know if you guys count that as ph experience. I am 5'10.5, 202 lbs, prob around 15%bf (estimate, never been tested).

2 weeks loading of Cycle Support
Week 1-4 Havoc 10/20/20/30
Week 1-8 Bold (800mg) ED + Testabolan 4 ED + Cycle Support
Week 8-11 Nolva 40/40/20/20 + Testabolan 4 ED + Cycle Support + creatine

1) Most people are telling me I should use some sort of liver support so I am leaning to getting liver longer. Should a take 2 pills a day for all 11 weeks, just on cycle, just with havoc, just post cycle therapy? Also, I recently read that liver longer is not as effective as a product called Life Extension Hepatopro, which one would you suggest? Do I need liver support with this stack at all?
I've used Liver Longer successfully, never used the other. I used LL through the cycle and pct also. That's just me though. I would use it 'cause of the Havoc.

2) Also, some guy said I should add in 6 oxo into my post cycle therapy but did not give me a reason, do u think I should? Anything else i should add into PCT to retain gains?Your natural test production will be suppressed at this point. Nolva will help kickstart your system. 6 oxo woud help suppress the estrogen that will be in imbalance with the test. At least that's the theory.


3)Also, for what parts of my cycle should I use one scoop of cycle support and what parts 2 scoops? Like should I use 1 scoop during pre-load and post cycle therapy and 2 on cycle? Do you think I need 2 tubs or 3 tubs of cycle support? I used 1 scoop morning, 1 scoop evening in my protein shake for all of my cycles. I needed two tubs. My next cycle I'm gonna try AI Life Support instead. The taste of CC gets to be funky by the end of the cycle.

4) Is 800mg or bold too much? Is my dosing of havoc to low? I think I'm only going to do 10mg for first few days. Never used this.

5) If you have any other suggestions or critiques feel free
NO ALCOHOL AT ALL ON CYCLE!! If you are able to have your blood stats pre & post cycle this is also a plus.

I really appreciate all your help