My log of 'RESULTS' from At Large Nutrition

chris mason · 05-17-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

So basically,

through the studies that nni and built brought about in this thread, the BA and HMB are useless and monohydrate is an inferior creatine compared to other types?

No, not at all. There is a TON of research backing BA and there is plenty of research backing HMB.

There are studies which say creatine doesn't work. Heck, I can even show you studies saying STEROIDS don't work. A study is not the be-all and end-all of everything. You need to take a look at an overall body of work on a given substance or sunstances as well as the empirical evidence from real life use.

chris mason · 05-17-2008, 05:24 PM

Built, I might just make a sugar-free version, but not just yet.

chris mason · 05-17-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

yeah, sorry to clutter up your thread, ill bow out and not clutter it up anymore.

im not worried about losing face, and feel confident in what i have offered. hmb is not new, it is not a giant mystery to understand how it works, and the other ingredients are not new. they work on their own towards a common goal, but no research has shown that creatine enhances BA, or ba enhances hmb etc. by no means do i expect you to agree, that would be foolish. i just wanted to chime in and did, and expressed my feelings over the product, now for the sake of the person whose thread this is, ill stop posting, but by no means does that change anything i said.

Oh, and I forgot to mention you assertation about no research showing BA and creatine, or HMB and creatine having additive effects exists is wrong. There IS research which shows exactly that.

chris mason · 05-17-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifuge

I don't know about 'fooling' anyone. I am simply recording information here.

Please don't think I don't appreciate it. You just keep on hitting PRs in the gym and we will let the others speculate.

**Built** · 05-17-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chris mason

Built, I might just make a sugar-free version, but not just yet.

I have a board full of insulin resistant female lifters who would more than likely be delighted to test your product. Hell, you could even run a double-blind study!

**Built** · 05-17-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

Nearly all power lifters who compete at a high level usually use gear. So somehow they're magically attributing PR's in the gym due to an over the counter supplement that doesn't have a single conclusive study behind the main ingredient... Does this fool anyone over the age of 12?

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Originally Posted by chris mason

Lol, why say such things?

IF a powerlifter were on gear and the only change they made was to add a supplement and they then hit PRs to what would you attribute the progress?

Anyway, I am sorry you feel the way you do. You can continue with your life and all of the folks using and loving RESULTS will continue with theirs.

A massively muscular, assisted male will have enhanced glucose uptake. That 80g of dextrose and corresponding insulin response will do much to improve delivery of your product. Even without insulin, GLUT-4 transporters - whose action is enhanced by muscle activity - will shuttle glucose into the muscle. More muscle = more effective delivery. I don't see this an anything but a positive: assisted athletes need lovin' (and supplements) too.

Chris, why not make a sugar-free version now? You have all the raw ingredients, and without the sugar you could probably make this in a capsule format. No icky flavouring problem.

**dg806** · 05-17-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chris mason

I understand. Let me put it this way, I will not comment about whether or not said individuals use anabolics. That would be for them. That said, even if they did, if they change nothing else about their drug and training regimen and add a supplement and see significant benefits from said supplement then it stands to reason said supplement was effective for them. That makes sense, no?

I know you do not know me from Sam, but I am not like so many other supplement company owners who will attibute an athlete's success to my products. Chuck was the best prior to ever using my products. That said, if he feels they help his training I think it would be stupid of me not to point that out. In addition, if he asks for the product for no reason other than he feels it works I think that is a great endorsement of the product and want to share it.

Yeah fair enough. Again I was not knocking your product and I know it's tough in the supp industry. Just look at this thread.

TexanTA1996 · 05-17-2008, 06:51 PM

I still don't see how he continues to ignore the fact that almost all of the people he's referencing are on massive steroid cycles-consisting of several drugs, and probably close to if not over a gram of testosterone-yet this HMB product is the cause of their strength gains lol. Give me a break.

chris mason · 05-18-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dg806

Yeah fair enough. Again I was not knocking your product and I know it's tough in the supp industry. Just look at this thread.

Lol, you ain't lyin!!!

chris mason · 05-18-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

I still don't see how he continues to ignore the fact that almost all of the people he's referencing are on massive steroid cycles-consisting of several drugs, and probably close to if not over a gram of testosterone-yet this HMB product is the cause of their strength gains lol. Give me a break.

Well, I can tell you I am NOT ignoring the fact this is your 5th post on this board which indicates this is the ONLY thread you have posted in. Hmmm...

lucifuge · 05-18-2008, 06:50 PM

Day 17
5/17/08
off day

Day 18
5/18/09

My left shoulder/trap is still a little tender, so I took it a little easy.
As a result, I didn't even try for any pr's today.
Still had a great workout though.
Check my journal if ya wanna see it.

lucifuge · 05-18-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

I still don't see how he continues to ignore the fact that almost all of the people he's referencing are on massive steroid cycles-consisting of several drugs, and probably close to if not over a gram of testosterone-yet this HMB product is the cause of their strength gains lol. Give me a break.

I don't see how you continue to ignore the fact that this thread has almost nothing to do with the powerlifters Chris referred to.
This thread is about my experience with "results".
If you read the beginning of the thread, I listed everything I'm taking. I'm not on gear for this log, yet I am setting pr's in just about every workout...
Point of fact, no one said that HMB is the cause of anything.
Actually read the thread before you make stupid statements.
Jackass.

TexanTA1996 · 05-18-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chris mason

Well, I can tell you I am NOT ignoring the fact this is your 5th post on this board which indicates this is the ONLY thread you have posted in. Hmmm...

You should be politician. This is not the only thread I've posted in, but being a member for all of a few days my post count doesn't mean my opinion isn't as important as someone else's.

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Originally Posted by lucifuge

I don't see how you continue to ignore the fact that this thread has almost nothing to do with the powerlifters Chris referred to.
This thread is about my experience with "results".
If you read the beginning of the thread, I listed everything I'm taking. I'm not on gear for this log, yet I am setting pr's in just about every workout...
Point of fact, no one said that HMB is the cause of anything.
Actually read the thread before you make stupid statements.
Jackass.

Have you ever set PR's before using this supplement, or were you lifting the exact same amount of weight during every session for your entire lifting career?

lucifuge · 05-18-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

Have you ever set PR's before using this supplement, or were you lifting the exact same amount of weight during every session for your entire lifting career?

That's ridiculous...
Of course I've set pr's in the past, but never with this frequency (well, with the exception of being a pure beginner anyway)

soxmuscle · 05-18-2008, 08:40 PM

I don't think Texan is wrong for finding it hard to believe an experienced lifter is setting PR's left and right with a basic creatine monohydrate supplement...

lucifuge · 05-18-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I don't think Texan is wrong for finding it hard to believe an experienced lifter is setting PR's left and right with a basic creatine monohydrate supplement...

I didn't say he was wrong.... in fact, like I mentioned it in an earlier post, I too find it hard to attribute my performace to simply sugar, creatine, hmb, & b-ala.
However, I've been lifting for a little over 8 years, so I think that qualifies me as an experienced lifter, and I've set more than a couple pr's in the past couple weeks.
I'm not saying it's easy, and I'm not saying "results" is the greatest thing since sliced bread either.
Like I said, I'm only recording information here.

chris mason · 05-19-2008, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifuge

I didn't say he was wrong.... in fact, like I mentioned it in an earlier post, I too find it hard to attribute my performace to simply sugar, creatine, hmb, & b-ala.
However, I've been lifting for a little over 8 years, so I think that qualifies me as an experienced lifter, and I've set more than a couple pr's in the past couple weeks.
I'm not saying it's easy, and I'm not saying "results" is the greatest thing since sliced bread either.
Like I said, I'm only recording information here.

A couple of points, Sox calls it a basic creatine mono product, it isn't. The combination of dextrose, creatine, HMB, and beta alanine all make for a product which is MUCH more potent than any creatine only product.

You are recording your efforts and the product has clearly helped. I would think most people would want to try a product which allows an experienced lifter to set new PRs with some regularity.

workingatit43 · 05-19-2008, 08:47 AM

I have to agree you should try a product before you say another product is better oh and by the way this is a great log bro

TexanTA1996 · 05-19-2008, 10:28 AM

This thing is $50 for a 30 day supply?

Stewart20 · 05-19-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

This thing is $50 for a 30 day supply?

I did notice that as well, which makes it pretty much off limits for me, even if I wanted to try it, I just can't spend that kind of money on creatine, when I can get a 130 serving container for less than $20. Sucks because I have been known to try new things that people say work well, but not at that price unfortunately.

lucifuge · 05-19-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

This thing is $50 for a 30 day supply?

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Originally Posted by Stewart20

I did notice that as well, which makes it pretty much off limits for me, even if I wanted to try it, I just can't spend that kind of money on creatine, when I can get a 130 serving container for less than $20. Sucks because I have been known to try new things that people say work well, but not at that price unfortunately.

That's another reason I'm gonna cut the serving in half when I use it again.
That is pretty salty.

TexanTA1996 · 05-19-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifuge

That's another reason I'm gonna cut the serving in half when I use it again.
That is pretty salty.

Most of what has been posted concerning hmb says that the dosage should be a bare minimum of 3 grams a day. I don't think 1.5g of hmb is going to be worth anything at all. Well, I don't think 10 grams of hmb would be worth anything-but if you believe that there's any evidence supporting hmb, you should be using no less than 3 grams a day. This is the reason it's not a very popular supplement. Inconclusive science + very expensive = usually not worth buying.

lucifuge · 05-19-2008, 04:55 PM

yeah, I've just been doing some more research on it, and it seems impossible to find in bulk form (I was gonna throw some extra in). But 3 grams does seem to be the 'magic' number... bummer.
I did find a place in Europe that sells it in bulk, but no shipping listed for the U.S....

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lucifuge LG Sciences Rep Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 1313 Mockingbird Lane Posts: 962 Photos: 11	yeah, I've just been doing some more research on it, and it seems impossible to find in bulk form (I was gonna throw some extra in). But 3 grams does seem to be the 'magic' number... bummer. I did find a place in Europe that sells it in bulk, but no shipping listed for the U.S....
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