Thread: My log of 'RESULTS' from At Large Nutrition

Day 21
5/21/08

off day

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Day 22
5/22/08

Mixed the results with a scoop of vanilla whey tonight, pretty tasty stuff.

Low Incline Bench:
135 x 10
225 x 10
265 x 7, 4, 4 increased reps

Low Incline Dumbell Press:
70's x 10, 10, 9 increased reps

Skull Crushers:
115 x 5, 5, 5 PR

Straight Bar Pressdowns:
50 x 15
(10 sec)
10
(15 sec)
10
(20 sec)
9 ouch.

Great session, progress pretty much across the board.
I love nights like this.

this is a journal, stop posting your issues with Chris's product here!

Still getting the PR's I see... great job!

Originally Posted by chris mason

First, Creapure(TM) IS better because it is not some cheap ass Chinese creatine monohydrate full of impurities.

Still waiting for that explanation of what a "creatine impurity" is...

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

Still waiting for that explanation of what a "creatine impurity" is...

Read this article: What's Really in Your Supplements? - An Update on Creatine by Will Brink

I am sure you will find some problem with it, but perhaps you can take it up with Will who is a member here.

Originally Posted by chris mason

Read this article: What's Really in Your Supplements? - An Update on Creatine by Will Brink

I am sure you will find some problem with it, but perhaps you can take it up with Will who is a member here.

The article is a great explanation, but they don't list brands they're using-it just says "Chinese Manufacturer". A listing of the brands would really, really help.

Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

The article is a great explanation, but they don't list brands they're using-it just says "Chinese Manufacturer". A listing of the brands would really, really help.

I just go with brands that use Creapure monohydrate. Really hard to screw that up.

EDIT: But to clarify, don't see much point in taking a creatine supp that mixes in sugar.

Originally Posted by aussie

I just go with brands that use Creapure monohydrate. Really hard to screw that up.

EDIT: But to clarify, don't see much point in taking a creatine supp that mixes in sugar.

The dex can make a big difference. I can site you a personal note to that end. Without dex I can only take about 7g of creatine without having intestinal discomfort. With it, I can take up to 20g and have no problems.

In addition, and it seems to get lost on the naysayers, RESULTS has creatine as only 1 ingredient of 3 main ingredients (creatine, beta alanine, and HMB).

Chris

Originally Posted by chris mason

The dex can make a big difference. I can site you a personal note to that end. Without dex I can only take about 7g of creatine without having intestinal discomfort. With it, I can take up to 20g and have no problems.

In addition, and it seems to get lost on the naysayers, RESULTS has creatine as only 1 ingredient of 3 main ingredients (creatine, beta alanine, and HMB).

I don't doubt the role that dex plays but that's just in PWO nutrition. It's pure high-GI carbs with no nutritional value so the only time you'd want this stuff in your body is for a workout. But Results recommends daily servings and that's a problem b/c there's no reason to have dex on days I'm not lifting.

Besides, I buy my dex at a local brew supply store and 5-lbs costs me $8. I get 1,000g of Creapure creatine mono for $22. So for $30 I got a 7 month supply that I can mix or keep separate at my discretion. Can't really see myself spending $50 for 1 month's worth of a creatine mix that forces me to use a carb source.

As for the HMB and BA, neither have been proven to do shit for adding strength or LBM. At best BA has shown marginal results with endurance but that's on a good day with a dose that's much larger than what's in Results. And even if you did want to play with it you'd do better buying it in bulk since it's also cheap. Any way you stack it the numbers don't add up to ponying up $50 for a 30-day creatine source.

Originally Posted by aussie

I don't doubt the role that dex plays but that's just in PWO nutrition. It's pure high-GI carbs with no nutritional value so the only time you'd want this stuff in your body is for a workout. But Results recommends daily servings and that's a problem b/c there's no reason to have dex on days I'm not lifting.

Besides, I buy my dex at a local brew supply store and 5-lbs costs me $8. I get 1,000g of Creapure creatine mono for $22. So for $30 I got a 7 month supply that I can mix or keep separate at my discretion. Can't really see myself spending $50 for a 1-month of a creatine mix that forces me to use a carb source.

As for the HMB and BA, neither have been proven to do shit for adding strength or LBM. At best BA has shown marginal results with endurance but that's on a good day with a dose that's much larger than what's in Results. And even if you did want to play with it you'd do better buying it in bulk since it's also cheap. Any way you stack it the numbers don't add up to ponying up $50 for a 30-day creatine source.

Lol, ok Aussie, you are the expert.

Your OPINION is so far from reality it truly surprises me.

Tell you what, I have a REAL research scientist who actually conducted some of the studies you are referencing who states that my products are well formulated and effective. I think I will take his word over yours...

You can read about it here: At Large Nutrition - Dr. Jeff Volek recommends AtLarge!

Something else to consider, I read in another thread about the supplements you already take. You spend more than $50 per month on them. You could drop ALL of them and just use RESULTS and be a heck of a lot better off than you are. It is sad that you will not based upon your ignorance and bias.

Originally Posted by chris mason

It is sad that you will not based upon your ignorance and bias.

You shouldn't be allowed to post the word bias.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

You shouldn't be allowed to post the word bias.

Perhaps the difference is that I do not try to hide the fact. I think everyone here is pretty clear I co-own AtLarge. You, and some others have a clear bias based upon your own ignornace and or feelings for me, but you try to pass it off as being "helpful" to others by "protecting" them.

I wonder, what have you achieved with all of your training and knowledge? Is it possible you might not know everything and that your opinions may be flawed?

Just perhaps...

Just to clarify here, Dr. Volek - whose research on the benefits of reduced-carbohydrate diets are well known - specifically names Nitor and Thermocin as the At Large products he supports in that link. Both of these products enhance the insulin-resistance and subsequent muscle-sparing that low-carb weight-loss dieting promotes, so his endorsement of them should be of no surprise to anyone who is well-read on the subject.

Has Dr. Volek expressed his expert opinion on your HMB formulation, Chris?

Originally Posted by chris mason

Perhaps the difference is that I do not try to hide the fact. I think everyone here is pretty clear I co-own AtLarge. You, and some others have a clear bias based upon your own ignornace and or feelings for me, but you try to pass it off as being "helpful" to others by "protecting" them.

I wonder, what have you achieved with all of your training and knowledge? Is it possible you might not know everything and that your opinions may be flawed?

Just perhaps...

Again, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

You honestly might be one of the dumbest people on this message board and that's saying something considering who frequents this board daily.

I don't know shit about training in comparison to many other people on this board and I don't claim to, that has nothing to do with me being a smart shopper. Once again, the fact remains your product is overpriced (more overpriced than any BSN or MuscleTech product) and throwing insults at the naysayers saying we're bias, unintelligent, "haven't done anything with training," and last but not least: ignorant, shows just how ignorant and flat out retarded you are.

You're lucky you're paying Prince...

Originally Posted by chris mason

Lol, ok Aussie, you are the expert.

Your OPINION is so far from reality it truly surprises me.

Tell you what, I have a REAL research scientist who actually conducted some of the studies you are referencing who states that my products are well formulated and effective. I think I will take his word over yours...

You can read about it here: At Large Nutrition - Dr. Jeff Volek recommends AtLarge!

Something else to consider, I read in another thread about the supplements you already take. You spend more than $50 per month on them. You could drop ALL of them and just use RESULTS and be a heck of a lot better off than you are. It is sad that you will not based upon your ignorance and bias.

I don't know you Chris but I don't need to. I look at the merits of the product and not the guy standing behind the counter trying to sell it to me because I can guarantee you we're already starting off with two different agendas.

So you got a research scientist. What does that do for me? Do you know how many countless supp sites are out there being "backed" by doctors and scientists. We're talking about an industry that's not even regulated so the last thing I'm going to rely on are the claims from a supplement manufacturer and their staff to tell me what I need in my stack. Oh, and since you brought that up, here's what I take:

Whey isolate
Creapure creatine mono
EFAs: EPA/DHA and some Udo's Choice Oil Blend
Green Tea Extract
Malto/Dex (PWO only)
Caffeine for a little zing

But I digress, let's get back to HMB. I've seen enough studies on this to know that with exception to killing a few lab rats with dosage issues the results in the real world are nothing to write home about let alone justify the value that you're placing on it in your creatine mix. No need to waste page real estate here on regurgitating the studies but you can find a nice review here: HMB Review: Does HMB Work? Does It Build Muscle?.

I saw in your earlier post that Will Brink is here. If that's the case then I'll put stock in his credentials, reputation, and research than what you can come up with on any day of the week. Unlike you, Brink won't have an agenda to push a product and I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that what he has to say on HMB and BA won't help your cause or your bottom line (and arguably one in the same).

And if it matters, I did check out your site and the other products. I see the same pattern that others have commented on. It's way overpriced compared to what you can find elsewhere. I also don't see the need to combine compounds/ingredients that only show marginal results at best or are misleading. I mean, c'mon, Nitor? You're using kola nut and guarana extracts as a caffeine source but the research you cite is a study on the effects of caffeine in general. I'm all for caffeine if it helps get you through a workout or maintain some focus but why would I want to pay all that money you're charging for friggin kola nut and guarana extracts when I can pick up a year's worth of caffeine pills for a few bucks? And glucomannan? We're talking fiber right? I'll think of that when I head to the grocery store today and see the Metamucil on the shelf but I get plenty from the veggies I eat.

Originally Posted by Built

Just to clarify here, Dr. Volek - whose research on the benefits of reduced-carbohydrate diets are well known - specifically names Nitor and Thermocin as the At Large products he supports in that link. Both of these products enhance the insulin-resistance and subsequent muscle-sparing that low-carb weight-loss dieting promotes, so his endorsement of them should be of no surprise to anyone who is well-read on the subject.

Has Dr. Volek expressed his expert opinion on your HMB formulation, Chris?

I'll go out on a limb here and guess that what Dr. Volek wouldn't support is the ingestion of pure dextrose on a daily basis, with or without the presence of resistance training. For all essential purposes dextrose is nutritional garbage. It's the stuff we stay away from in the normal course of our diet but within the scope of intense training it can serve as a vehicle for a quick fuel source. The recommended frequency for Results is daily. Day in, day out, 80g of dextrose adds up to a lot of unnecessary junk cals and carbs.

Originally Posted by Built

Just to clarify here, Dr. Volek - whose research on the benefits of reduced-carbohydrate diets are well known - specifically names Nitor and Thermocin as the At Large products he supports in that link. Both of these products enhance the insulin-resistance and subsequent muscle-sparing that low-carb weight-loss dieting promotes, so his endorsement of them should be of no surprise to anyone who is well-read on the subject.

Has Dr. Volek expressed his expert opinion on your HMB formulation, Chris?

Built, try reading again, he specifically notes the fat burners, but also generally comments on the entire line.

I am sure he would be ok with the HMB formulation as he was involved in a study which I referenced which supports its efficacy.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Again, you couldn't be farther from the truth.

You honestly might be one of the dumbest people on this message board and that's saying something considering who frequents this board daily.

I don't know shit about training in comparison to many other people on this board and I don't claim to, that has nothing to do with me being a smart shopper. Once again, the fact remains your product is overpriced (more overpriced than any BSN or MuscleTech product) and throwing insults at the naysayers saying we're bias, unintelligent, "haven't done anything with training," and last but not least: ignorant, shows just how ignorant and flat out retarded you are.

You're lucky you're paying Prince...

Ahhh, so now I am an idiot and as well as the owner of this site...

Ok, you win. I am tired of you.

Originally Posted by aussie

I don't know you Chris but I don't need to. I look at the merits of the product and not the guy standing behind the counter trying to sell it to me because I can guarantee you we're already starting off with two different agendas.

So you got a research scientist. What does that do for me? Do you know how many countless supp sites are out there being "backed" by doctors and scientists. We're talking about an industry that's not even regulated so the last thing I'm going to rely on are the claims from a supplement manufacturer and their staff to tell me what I need in my stack. Oh, and since you brought that up, here's what I take:

Whey isolate
Creapure creatine mono
EFAs: EPA/DHA and some Udo's Choice Oil Blend
Green Tea Extract
Malto/Dex (PWO only)
Caffeine for a little zing

But I digress, let's get back to HMB. I've seen enough studies on this to know that with exception to killing a few lab rats with dosage issues the results in the real world are nothing to write home about let alone justify the value that you're placing on it in your creatine mix. No need to waste page real estate here on regurgitating the studies but you can find a nice review here: HMB Review: Does HMB Work? Does It Build Muscle?.

I saw in your earlier post that Will Brink is here. If that's the case then I'll put stock in his credentials, reputation, and research than what you can come up with on any day of the week. Unlike you, Brink won't have an agenda to push a product and I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that what he has to say on HMB and BA won't help your cause or your bottom line (and arguably one in the same).

And if it matters, I did check out your site and the other products. I see the same pattern that others have commented on. It's way overpriced compared to what you can find elsewhere. I also don't see the need to combine compounds/ingredients that only show marginal results at best or are misleading. I mean, c'mon, Nitor? You're using kola nut and guarana extracts as a caffeine source but the research you cite is a study on the effects of caffeine in general. I'm all for caffeine if it helps get you through a workout or maintain some focus but why would I want to pay all that money you're charging for friggin kola nut and guarana extracts when I can pick up a year's worth of caffeine pills for a few bucks? And glucomannan? We're talking fiber right? I'll think of that when I head to the grocery store today and see the Metamucil on the shelf but I get plenty from the veggies I eat.

You win, I am tired of you as well. Keep spewing your crap. You are wrong, but arguing with internet twits like you is rather pointless, no?

Originally Posted by chris mason

Ahhh, so now I am an idiot and as well as the owner of this site...

Ok, you win. I am tired of you.

Speak english, you fluffy kitten.

If you're trying to put words in my mouth and say that I think Prince is an idiot, you just completely misread what I wrote, further proving my original point that you're as dumb as rocks.

Your product is overpriced. Once again, end of story, period.. Stop trying to say it isn't.

Originally Posted by chris mason

You win, I am tired of you as well. Keep spewing your crap. You are wrong, but arguing with internet twits like you is rather pointless, no?

Aussie brought up excellent points.

You're just not smart enough to comprehend it.

/waiting for Chris to go cry to the mods and have every somewhat negative post about his product deleted.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

/waiting for Chris to go cry to the mods and have every somewhat negative post about his product deleted.

a) No need to wait.

b) You disparaged the site owner in a thread. That is probably not a good idea.

Originally Posted by chris mason

a) No need to wait.

b) You disparaged the site owner in a thread. That is probably not a good idea.

I didn't disparage Prince in the least.

Once again, you're a fluffy bunny rabbit.

Originally Posted by Built

Just to clarify here, Dr. Volek - whose research on the benefits of reduced-carbohydrate diets are well known - specifically names Nitor and Thermocin as the At Large products he supports in that link. Both of these products enhance the insulin-resistance and subsequent muscle-sparing that low-carb weight-loss dieting promotes, so his endorsement of them should be of no surprise to anyone who is well-read on the subject.

Has Dr. Volek expressed his expert opinion on your HMB formulation, Chris?

Originally Posted by chris mason

Built, try reading again, he specifically notes the fat burners, but also generally comments on the entire line.

I am sure he would be ok with the HMB formulation as he was involved in a study which I referenced which supports its efficacy.

I read it fine the first time, Chris, no worries. He didn't specifically mention your HMB formulation, and his comments pre-dated its release. I respect Volek a lot. I'd love to hear his comments on your product if he ever makes an assessment of it.

Thanks for the reply. I'll go read some more of the citations - I love reading Volek's stuff.

Originally Posted by Built

I read it fine the first time, Chris, no worries. He didn't specifically mention your HMB formulation, and his comments pre-dated its release. I respect Volek a lot. I'd love to hear his comments on your product if he ever makes an assessment of it.

Thanks for the reply. I'll go read some more of the citations - I love reading Volek's stuff.

Built, he just sent me that endorsement about a week ago.

Originally Posted by chris mason

a) No need to wait.

b) You disparaged the site owner in a thread. That is probably not a good idea.

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I didn't disparage Prince in the least.

For the record, I read carefully what soxmuscle wrote, and I didn't find it in the least disparaging to Prince.

Also for the record, I have pruned a few of sox's posts at my own discretion. Mr. Mason did not contact me or anyone else to do so.

It has been established that the price is reasonable given the cost of the raw materials. Let's leave that one for now.

Keep the discussion germane to the research and the claims. I know it's hard sometimes when emotion gets in the way, but the only thing that really matters here is product efficacy. Please stick to the actual topic, okay? Everybody play nice. Don't make me turn this car around!!!

Gaahhh. Boys.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

Originally Posted by chris mason

Built, he just sent me that endorsement about a week ago.

Gotcha. Maybe he'll write something up about your newest product soon.