My log of 'RESULTS' from At Large Nutrition

Travis Bell · 05-26-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Speak english, you fluffy kitten.

If you're trying to put words in my mouth and say that I think Prince is an idiot, you just completely misread what I wrote, further proving my original point that you're as dumb as rocks.

Your product is overpriced. Once again, end of story, period.. Stop trying to say it isn't.

who the heck are you?

man I have never seen someone take a supplement so freaking personally! You've expressed that you think the product is overpriced. ok fine, ignore the fact its been shown here that its not overpriced. You were supposedly going to prove that person wrong with bulk crap, never happened. You're right, you don't know much about training, nor do you know much about supplements. Good freaking grief, you act like you are being forced to buy it.

TexanTA1996 · 05-26-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HP666

Creatine Monohydrate is sourced from two different chemicals. The first is Sodium Sarcosinate. Sodium Sarcosinate, acid, and cyanamide are brought together to form a reaction, then they go through a process of separation, washing, and drying. Then bingo out pops creatine monohydrate. This creatine monohydrate is the purest creatine monohydrate made. How do I know this? This type of creatine process is PATENTED world wide by (even has a CHINA patent) and goes by the name of CREAPURE. No other company in the world can use Sodium Sarcosinate to make creatine monohydrate.

The OTHER chemical that is used to make ALL OTHER (this is important) ALL OTHER creatines, and I donï¿½â‚¬â„¢t care what type of creatine it is ALL OTHER creatines is a chemical called thiourea. Thiourea is bad stuff. Making creatine monohydrate by using thiourea is actually patented by a CHINESE company. ï¿½â‚¬Å“The majority of Chinese creatine is manufactured according to a patented process (U.S. patent 6,326,513) that is very low-cost, but for which large quantities of thiourea are used. There is a considerable risk that this creatine could be contaminated with thiourea. Ingested thiourea is extremely harmful to health and is considered carcinogenic. For example, it is on the list of substances that are not allowed to be put in cosmetic products. It is forbidden to use Chinese creatine for cosmetic products. But creatine from China has not been banned as a dietary supplement. (Consumer Protection)ï¿½â‚¬ï¿½
Not good huh?. To nuts with all the other creatine monohydrates out there. And to debate which one WORKS better in my book is pointless. Why? Because there is not a chance in hell that I am going to be using a creatine monohydrate from CHINA. I donï¿½â‚¬â„¢t know about you but Iï¿½â‚¬â„¢m 38 years old and my health is important to me.

Creapure is the only form of creatine NOT from CHINA. that includes all the other "types" of creatine...They hold the worldwide patent on making creatine from sodium sacrosinate.

So if it doesn't clearly say CREAPURE do NOT put it in your body. That includes all the Cell Mass type products out there that contain creatine. If it doesn't say CREAPURE DO NOT USE IT.

I'd really like to see solid evidence showing that creatine from China can cause cancer-which is basically what you're saying in a nutshell. What hasn't been accused of being carcinogenic at some point in time? Your assumption seems to be that every creatine brand besides creapure is dangerous- that's unfounded and ridiculous.

Even if you were correct, that's still far from the issue at hand. Telling someone they should buy a $50 product because it contains creapure and not the "cheap" creatine is just as ridiculous.

This thread has gotten a little off topic, but to sum it up, basically every single supplement out there that is pushed by these companies is one of two things

1) Over-priced (ingredients can be bought much cheaper)
2) Flat-out doesn't work, or the extremely minimal benefit is not worth the cost (HMB in this case)

Very few supplements do not fall into one of these two categories. I'm not picking on At Large Nutrition, I'm picking on every single company out there. It's all hyped up junk, or if it isn't junk, it's overpriced.

**nni** · 05-26-2008, 04:36 PM

prolab does not use creapure, and prolab has one of the best qc standards in the industry. saying use creapure or nothing is not accurate.

lucifuge · 05-26-2008, 04:58 PM

wow, I leave for a couple days and the log goes nuts again....
anyway, still taking the RESULTS, however due to running around all weekend and eating a lot of tasty, bad food my training performance hasn't been the greatest.
Trained back yesterday and everything felt ungodly heavy.
Tomorrow will be better.
Happy arguing folks.

HP666 · 05-26-2008, 06:22 PM

You guys take whatever you want, I really could care less. Thiourea is not good and I personally wouldn't ingest anything made with it.

HP666 · 05-26-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

prolab does not use creapure, and prolab has one of the best qc standards in the industry. saying use creapure or nothing is not accurate.

What I was saying is fact: it's either Creapure, made in Germany, OR made with Thiourea. That IS a fact. My personal OPINION was that it's Creapure or nothing. Just wanted to clear that up. As I said, Thiourea is bad. I don't want to get in a pissing contest here, sorry if it seems that way; I'm just trying to pass along info that may help people make informed decisions.

chris mason · 05-26-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

prolab does not use creapure, and prolab has one of the best qc standards in the industry. saying use creapure or nothing is not accurate.

Just to be clear, I never said that. I said that there is a difference in the quality of creatine. TX goofball took exception and asked for proof. When provided it he went to another whine session about something else without admitting he was wrong. Sad really.

**Built** · 05-26-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chris mason

Read this article: What's Really in Your Supplements? - An Update on Creatine by Will Brink

I am sure you will find some problem with it, but perhaps you can take it up with Will who is a member here.

Mr. Brink is clearly in favour of good quality creatine.
<click for Will Brink's review of Creatine from his book "Body Buiding Revealed">

However, unless he's changed his mind since 2006, he's none too fond of HMB. In fact, when asked what he thought was the biggest supplement scam in the last 20 years, he agreed that in addition to hot stuff and the cybergenics total bodybuilding system, HMB "sucked". Will Brink reviews HMB in his book "Body Building Revealed". I'd be interested to read what he says about it.

aussie · 05-26-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Built

Please stick to the actual topic, okay? Everybody play nice. Don't make me turn this car around!!!

Okay, but he started it!

Apparently since I'm an "ignorant, biased, internet twit" in the eyes of Chris for pointing out the issues in Results, I went ahead and checked out Will Brink's research on HMB and beta-alanine since he's listed as one of the "great minds" for this site.

Neither HMB or BA receives Brink's seal of approval. Not even close actually especially when it comes to being effective or showing strength/hypertrophy benefits.

Incidentally, ALN Results is mentioned in Brink's forum. Within this topic Will reiterates that he's not impressed with HMB, states that 80g of sugar is not recommended other than post-workout, the beta-alanine dose is on the low end, and that micronized creapure is dirt cheap (so why pay this much for it). One of the mods in Will's forums (who I believe is a strength behemoth) is even less impressed with Results. With regards to the ingredients he comments that the creatine "is the only useful ingredient in this product" and that "it would be more cost-effective to buy it separately and in bulk".

Now surely we can't say that Will's research is biased (but then again, what would I be biased towards... common sense perhaps)? In an earlier link I provided a link to a HMB review that's solid and the site from which it's published also has no hidden motives or agendas.

I'll be sticking with my 1,000g of Creapure creatine mono that I got for $22 and will last me until we're in 2009.

aussie · 05-26-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Bell

...ignore the fact its been shown here that its not overpriced.

Fact? What fact says that it's not overpriced? It's 50 fucking dollars for a 30-day supply.

You can get a 200-day supply of the the same Creapure creatine for $22. Several pounds of dextrose won't even run you $10.

So what are you paying for that makes Results "reasonably" priced: beta-alanine and HMB?? Two supps that have been shown to do jack-shit. You'd be better off dropping these ingredients and replacing them with colostrum so you at least know you're getting something that drives a premium price tag.

Travis Bell · 05-26-2008, 10:08 PM

*sigh*

I give up. At the end of the day, I'll keep taking Results and benching 700+lbs. What you guys do is up to you.

Lucifuge - congrats on your PRs and thanks for trying this supplement out. I'm really glad you have had success that many others have had with it.

TexanTA1996 · 05-26-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aussie

Fact? What fact says that it's not overpriced? It's 50 fucking dollars for a 30-day supply.

You can get a 200-day supply of the the same Creapure creatine for $22. Several pounds of dextrose won't even run you $10.

So what are you paying for that makes Results "reasonably" priced: beta-alanine and HMB?? Two supps that have been shown to do jack-shit. You'd be better off dropping these ingredients and replacing them with colostrum so you at least know you're getting something that drives a premium price tag.

That's the problem, they're convinced that HMB is such an amazing supplement despite it's disappointing performance in numerous studies.

If HMB was as great as these guys are saying, every athlete in the world from sprinters to polo players would be using it. Most people have never even heard of it because it was discredited a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Travis Bell

*sigh*

I give up. At the end of the day, I'll keep taking Results and benching 700+lbs. What you guys do is up to you.

Right, because RESULTS is the cause of your 700lb bench, ha. I'm sure cell tech is why Cutler was able to finally take the Olympia title as well.

thewicked · 05-26-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

That's the problem, they're convinced that HMB is such an amazing supplement despite it's disappointing performance in numerous studies.

If HMB was as great as these guys are saying, every athlete in the world from sprinters to polo players would be using it. Most people have never even heard of it because it was discredited a long time ago.

Right, because RESULTS is the cause of your 700lb bench, ha. I'm sure cell tech is why Cutler was able to finally take the Olympia title as well.

lmao the olympia is like washington.. the candidate with the most "support money" behind them aka most money spent by a sponsor to sponsor the olympia gets the win!

don't get me started on bodybuiding. HAHA

and travis's bench is accredited to hard ass work, dedication, mental toughness, etc... great supplementation is just one more thing that helps him stay at teh top of his game and perform at that kinda level. Could travis have gotten there without it? Why sure..but could he recover as quickly, GAIN as quickly, and keep at it without it? We won't find out because travis loves the stuff!

aussie · 05-26-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

That's the problem, they're convinced that HMB is such an amazing supplement despite it's disappointing performance in numerous studies.

C'mon, no one's that stupid.

soxmuscle · 05-27-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aussie

Okay, but he started it!

Apparently since I'm an "ignorant, biased, internet twit" in the eyes of Chris for pointing out the issues in Results, I went ahead and checked out Will Brink's research on HMB and beta-alanine since he's listed as one of the "great minds" for this site.

Neither HMB or BA receives Brink's seal of approval. Not even close actually especially when it comes to being effective or showing strength/hypertrophy benefits.

Incidentally, ALN Results is mentioned in Brink's forum. Within this topic Will reiterates that he's not impressed with HMB, states that 80g of sugar is not recommended other than post-workout, the beta-alanine dose is on the low end, and that micronized creapure is dirt cheap (so why pay this much for it). One of the mods in Will's forums (who I believe is a strength behemoth) is even less impressed with Results. With regards to the ingredients he comments that the creatine "is the only useful ingredient in this product" and that "it would be more cost-effective to buy it separately and in bulk".

Now surely we can't say that Will's research is biased (but then again, what would I be biased towards... common sense perhaps)? In an earlier link I provided a link to a HMB review that's solid and the site from which it's published also has no hidden motives or agendas.

I'll be sticking with my 1,000g of Creapure creatine mono that I got for $22 and will last me until we're in 2009.

Excellent post. Lets bump this, so it doesn't get overlooked by people being duped by the peanut gallery that is Chris Mason.

thewicked · 05-27-2008, 12:55 AM

[quote=soxmuscle;1788599]I'm a big boy, built. I didn't ask for it to be edited, nor do I think it should be edited.

The product is completely overpriced. Not by $5 dollars, not by $10 dollars, hell.. not even by $20 dollars. The reason I'm so outspoken is because of jackasses like you and Chris who constantly try to drown out the completely valid opinions of the naysayers.

I haven't had time to post up the ingredients in bulk, thankfully others have proven my point for me.

Regardless - I've been told in private of Chris' heavy-handed approach and it brought a smile to my face when I heard that the most popular posters and moderators have left Chris' board because of how big of an asshat he truly is.[/QUOTE]

so you do have an agenda afterall.

I would like to ask that since we're all out to point fingers... i'd like you to point a finger at one single ALN athlete that's come to this board and not offered any advice or said anythign helpful to better this place. Everyone here is allowed to have an opinion and recommend a supplement, exercise, diet program, etc.... it's a coming together and sharing of thoughts, ideas, knowledge, etc.

all you've done is complain and attempt to discredit anything and anyone that has to do with ALN. Which I don't really understand.

thewicked · 05-27-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

You and Chris Mason can't form a legible sentence in the English language.

Why would I want biased ebonics.. err "advice"?

The internet is considerd an "informal" tool of communication when it comes to blogs, forums, email, etc. in the general community that is the world. Forgive me for not using proper puncuation, sentence structure, spelling at times (because I don't feel like going back to edit my post. Yes I'm that lazy.), etc. when it comes to my posting on IM.

How was that?

thewicked · 05-27-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Oh, and a little bit of advice.

You've made it abundantly clear that your only on this board to increase ALN's customers/profits, writing legibly and not looking like a retard could help.

Seen any of the other posts I've written in this forum besides those only in the supplement area?

I'm sure others would beg to differ.

soxmuscle · 05-27-2008, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by thewicked

Seen any of the other posts I've written in this forum besides those only in the supplement area?

I'm sure others would beg to differ.

I actually have and your journal is pretty respectable, I'll give you that.

thewicked · 05-27-2008, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

I actually have and your journal is pretty respectable, I'll give you that.

Which is why I try to spread the knowledge I've gathered in the training wise be it supplementation, etc. around so people can hopefully learn from my mistakes and not run into the problems or issues I have over the years and hopefully help at least one person reach their goals no matter what those goals might be. Support those that support the sport! Everyone was a newb once. Got to spread the wealth even if it's only knowledge which, if applied right, is worth more than any dollar value out there.

I have no beef with you sir. Even if you don't agree with my thoughts or views on supplementation, I do my best to bring something to the table here at IM.

WillBrink · 05-27-2008, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nni

prolab does not use creapure, and prolab has one of the best qc standards in the industry. saying use creapure or nothing is not accurate.

Prolab always used Creapure and was the largest distributor of Creapure in the US at one time. If they have stopped using Creapure, shame on them, but when I did consulting work for them, the owners were sticklers for using Creapure.

WillBrink · 05-27-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Built

Mr. Brink is clearly in favour of good quality creatine.
<click for Will Brink's review of Creatine from his book "Body Buiding Revealed">

However, unless he's changed his mind since 2006, he's none too fond of HMB. In fact, when asked what he thought was the biggest supplement scam in the last 20 years, he agreed that in addition to hot stuff and the cybergenics total bodybuilding system, HMB "sucked". Will Brink reviews HMB in his book "Body Building Revealed". I'd be interested to read what he says about it.

I don't consider HMB a total scam like other products out there, but there is better $$$ spent, that's for sure. HMB, KIC, GAKIC, etc are all fully reviewed in the ebook yes, with supporting data, or lack there of, covered, as well as "real world" feedback, etc.

aussie · 05-27-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by WillBrink

I don't consider HMB a total scam like other products out there, but there is better $$$ spent, that's for sure. HMB, KIC, GAKIC, etc are all fully reviewed in the ebook yes, with supporting data, or lack there of, covered, as well as "real world" feedback, etc.

Thanks Will for the input and as a result welcome to the internet twit group. I wonder what our membership dues will be?

workingatit43 · 05-27-2008, 09:29 AM

Lucifuge this has been a great log and I feel that anyone who has not tried a product should be bad mouthing it. There are people out here and I include myself that part of what we do is rep(and try to help sales)as these companies and this board need support to survive.

I really have not found anyone here recently that just go out of the way to pimp a product we do not only rep but also try to help people as best we can

05-26-2008, 04:36 PM	#213
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05-26-2008, 04:58 PM	#214
lucifuge LG Sciences Rep Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 1313 Mockingbird Lane Posts: 1,118 Photos: 11	wow, I leave for a couple days and the log goes nuts again.... anyway, still taking the RESULTS, however due to running around all weekend and eating a lot of tasty, bad food my training performance hasn't been the greatest. Trained back yesterday and everything felt ungodly heavy. Tomorrow will be better. Happy arguing folks.
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05-26-2008, 10:08 PM	#221
Travis Bell Westside Bencher Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: United States Posts: 181	sigh I give up. At the end of the day, I'll keep taking Results and benching 700+lbs. What you guys do is up to you. Lucifuge - congrats on your PRs and thanks for trying this supplement out. I'm really glad you have had success that many others have had with it.
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05-27-2008, 12:55 AM	#226
thewicked THE FRIDGE Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: the underground, TX Posts: 275	[quote=soxmuscle;1788599]I'm a big boy, built. I didn't ask for it to be edited, nor do I think it should be edited. The product is completely overpriced. Not by $5 dollars, not by $10 dollars, hell.. not even by $20 dollars. The reason I'm so outspoken is because of jackasses like you and Chris who constantly try to drown out the completely valid opinions of the naysayers. I haven't had time to post up the ingredients in bulk, thankfully others have proven my point for me. Regardless - I've been told in private of Chris' heavy-handed approach and it brought a smile to my face when I heard that the most popular posters and moderators have left Chris' board because of how big of an asshat he truly is.[/QUOTE] so you do have an agenda afterall. I would like to ask that since we're all out to point fingers... i'd like you to point a finger at one single ALN athlete that's come to this board and not offered any advice or said anythign helpful to better this place. Everyone here is allowed to have an opinion and recommend a supplement, exercise, diet program, etc.... it's a coming together and sharing of thoughts, ideas, knowledge, etc. all you've done is complain and attempt to discredit anything and anyone that has to do with ALN. Which I don't really understand.
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05-26-2008, 06:22 PM	#215
HP666 Old School Join Date: May 2008 Location: NY Posts: 4	You guys take whatever you want, I really could care less. Thiourea is not good and I personally wouldn't ingest anything made with it.