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Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 131
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Taking Havoc by RPN... PCT HELP?
BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com I will be taking Havoc for a 4 week cycle.. after it says you dont NEED a PCT, but I was thinking of running 6-oxo afterwards... Should this be sufficiant?
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 131
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someone please?
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Anabolic Innovations/HCFs
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 164
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Age?
PH, AAS history? Years training? Is your diet and training regimen solid? |
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I dont know where you got that you don't need PCT because you do. I have read that Havoc does not convert to estrogen but you still need to jump start your natural production of testosterone. Take a serm!
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Elite Kiki
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Start out at 10-20 mg's a day for the first few days to access your tolerance. Slowly up the dose based on bodyweight. I personally know the guy who designed havoc, and he says 50 mg is the sweet spot if you can handle it. It will make you lose alot of hair if you are proned, so use revita shampoo and at least 2-3 mg's of finasteride a day. It will thin your hair quick if you are susceptible. |
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AI/Sbmuscle Rep
Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ma
Posts: 806
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If you are old enough which I hope you are you need to have a pct and you need to run support supps. You can look into Cycle Support or Life Support and pre-load it for 1-2 week and continue throughout the cycle. For pct I would have a SERM on hand you may not need it but it is very good to have if a problem comes up.
For pct you can run Stoked or Post Cycle Support and I would have a cortisol product which I would start on day 15 of pct. If you also want to run a AI you can run towards the end of pct and taper it down. Best of luck and if you need any help let me know |
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 131
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21, male.. 165lbs.. Eating about 2,700 cals a day... First time ever taking a PH
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 131
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Also guys is those 2 supplements he recommended for PCT decent?
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He recommended Post cycle support and stoked which I do not know much of. But he also recommended a serm which is an absolute must when taking a PH. When I took havoc, I used cycle support, taurine, and potassium during the cycle, and nolva for PCT
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 131
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Ok, Did you get decent results? Any hair loss? From what i've heard people who experience the hairloss are usually genetically predetermined for hairloss so it speeds it up...
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AI/Sbmuscle Rep
Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ma
Posts: 806
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Yes I lost some hair in the 4th week at 40mg but I am prone to MPB anyways
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Anabolic Innovations/HCFs
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 164
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PCT for Havoc
-SERM -Post Cycle Support (will help retain libido and aid in regulation of endogenous hormones) OTC PCT -Post Cycle Support -I3C -SAMe -6-oxo tapered down -SERM on hand in case of sides |
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alex
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hey im 18 years old and 135 pounds of lean muscle (ran track for 5 years) im also gonna start taking havoc soon. the only PCT i plan on taking is gonna be a SERM anyone know of an over the counter one i can take
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Anabolic Innovations/HCFs
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 164
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I hope your joking, do NOT take ANY hormonal products at 18 it can cause irreversible damage to the endocrine system. You have plenty of time to get big, and have no way reached your potential. Look into creatine, multivitamin, fish oil, and protein alongside a good diet and training regimen.
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AI/Sbmuscle Rep
Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ma
Posts: 806
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Yes you are to young you going to mess yourself up please do not touch the steriods yet |
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alex
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ok well i stopped growing a long time ago. i have been taking creatine and 5 scoops of whey protein a day for 6 months and have only gained 7 pounds of muscle mass. im gonna take it anyways. someone recommended Epistane does it work
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Anabolic Innovations/HCFs
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 164
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Just because your epiphyseal discs have closed does not mean you are done growing. Your endocrine system (hormone making system) is continually maturing until mid 20's. I don't think you should mess with your hormones at this age if you cannot gain any more muscle it is due to your training and diet regimen. You have not reached your genetic potential at 135lbs you need to concentrate on perfecting your diet and training rather than relying on exogenous hormones for gains. I doubt you will find anyone that will help an 18 year old with a cycle. |
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Elite Member
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ma
Posts: 806
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This is the best advice you are going to get please take note of it for safety sakes |
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alex
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ok well can you help me with my diet then. i eat oatmeal with 2 scoops of whey protein in it in the morning. except for a 20gram power bar for lunch i dont eat lunch cause they serve horrible shit at my school. and for dinner i usuall have 1 to 2 pounds of grilled chicken, and some mashed potatoes or something close with 4 scoops of whey protein. i also take creatine 2 hours before i work out. as for workout regimen my brother is a personal trainer who designed a lifting regimen for me.
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Anabolic Innovations/HCFs
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 164
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Healthy fats: Natural peanut butter/almond butter/cashew butter, nuts, EVOO, flax oil, fish oil, avocado, etc. Lean meats: lean sirloin, steak, eggs, egg whites, fish, chicken, turkey. Complex carbohydates: yams, sweet potatoes, oats, veggies, whole grain pastas and breads, etc. |
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