So For Everyone Using Atlarge Nutrition's Products...

Travis Bell · 05-26-2008, 10:13 PM

you posted just the microlactin, add the ZMA in there as well.

I would assume there are differing qualities of microlactin, but I have no information on which to base that opinion.

ETS is a very good supplement. I've been taking it for years.

TexanTA1996 · 05-26-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Bell

I would assume there are differing qualities of microlactin,

I've come to the conclusion that whenever this company is proved to be selling something that is overpriced, they resort to this tactic. Apparently it's their last pathetic line of defensive, and they attempt to cling to it when it's pointed out plain as day that something isn't right. The microlactin powder sold by supplement direct is the same microlactin that is used in ETS, with ETS you're just paying a hell of a lot more for it.

I never said ETS was bad, or doesn't work. I'm just saying that ETS is just microlactin plus a few other vitamins and minerals. There's no reason to be paying such a ridiculous amount of money for it.

aussie · 05-26-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chris mason

Why did you feel compelled to point this out?

Great, forget what he has to say, see what the person from this site who is using the product has to say.

I did, and I've also read posts from guys who don't like the product and say that it's overpriced for the quality and what you can find in comparable products.

You see the problem with customer testimony is that it can bite both ways. It's also completely unreliable and paints a broad picture with the distorted brush. Look at the ALN site e.g., I see plenty of glowing testimony but none from anyone that has made negative comments. Now why do you suppose that is?

So instead of subjective testimony I'll go with independent, scientific research. And with all due respect I'm not going to get it from the guy who brews the kool-aid or someone on his staff.

thewicked · 05-26-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

That doesn't change the fact that all of these ingredients can be purchased much cheaper. ETS is one of the most overpriced supplements I've ever seen. I just posted the cost differences and yet you're still denying it after it's been put in black and white. Saying it's not overpriced is flat out ignoring the facts.

you can get it cheaper alone..but if you bought all the microlactin, vitamins and minerals included, and a capping machine with caps.. it can get kinda up there.

*i've capped my own shit for awhile and it became so much of a pain that I sold it*

it was just like when someone pointed out how results is more expensive than getting straight creatine which is true.. but results isn't just CREATINE.. it's a blend of alot of other goodies. When you added up the cost of results versus the cost of buying it all seperate...the cost was the same WITHOUT adding in flavoring to blending your own. In reality things got more expensive.

there's always cheaper options if you're willing to go the extra mile to put it all together yourself, etc...but in the case of results.. it's hard to compare it to other products out there because frankly there IS no other product out there like results. It's fast becoming ALN's top product for a reason.

Just because you're sponsored doesn't mean you have to use their products personally.. but I've yet to meet an ALN athlete that doesn't LOVE everything they get from ALN.

*my offer is still on the table for you texasTA btw.. *

**nni** · 05-26-2008, 10:55 PM

no other product out there like results? come on.

thewicked · 05-26-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

no other product out there like results? come on.

in my opinion no...

I've tried numerous others in the years i've spent bodybuilding and now powerlifting (because my fatass likes to eat) and had little to ZERO success with them.

Results has been the only creatine product ever to work for me.. and i was using it before getting in with ALN.

are their other creatine products out there? Why sure.. are they cheaper? Depends on who you go with..

do they produce? Well that all depends on what you'd consider results...quicker recovery, better overall feeling while training, and increased numbers on paper are things i've never experienced with anything BUT results.

and i'd be quick to recommend straight creatine before ever recommending a product like celltech or the like.. I recommend results for people looking for a creatine supplement because it works. It's worth paying a little extra for peace of mind and for the actual results you get for the money spent. NEver had a bad review from ANYONE both who are sponsored and those who are just satisfied customers since its introduction. Just look at your fellow IM members who have logs on here. SURE you can go cheaper routes but straight creatine has worked for some and hasn't worked for others. Kinda hard to go back and forth on that one for me...In truth I'd recommend people spend their money on RESULTS before spending it on even a protien supplement it works that well.

**nni** · 05-26-2008, 11:05 PM

yeah, i wouldnt.

aussie · 05-26-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanTA1996

I never said ETS was bad, or doesn't work. I'm just saying that ETS is just microlactin plus a few other vitamins and minerals. There's no reason to be paying such a ridiculous amount of money for it.

And with that MicroLactin you're paying through the ass for it via ETS especially when you can get 1,000g of it from NOW Foods for $10.

Unlike you Texan, I woudn't give ETS a free pass for effectiveness based on the MicroLactin. First you have to consider their distributor (Humanetics Corp). They post various research abstracts on their site but the collection they've assembled reasonably supports the idea that consumption of hyperimmune milk concentrate could be useful for reducing the severity of symptoms of osteoarthritis. The issue here though is that ETS targets it for athletic performance.

So this is where it gets interesting. The only evidence that it might be useful for improving athletic performance is the "study" mentioned in the ad that is found here: Double-blind Controlled Trial on the Effect of Stolle Milk on Recovery After Exercise in Highly Trained Runners. I use the word "study" lightly though because I can't find where it's ever seen the light of day in any journal, and the details given are so vague as to be useless. There are no authors listed, and no data provided. The title yields nothing on a search. So, it's worthless as a point in favor of the stuff as an ergogenic aid.

Even if you do want this supplement, perhaps for some sort of joint problems or undue soreness then you got to ask yourself why would you pay this much for it when the NOW product contains the same stuff from the same company and it's much cheaper. But again, from a performance issue MicroLactin doesn't appear to do anything.

I'm guessing I'm not the only one seeing a pattern of over-priced and hyped supplements in the ALN product line.

aussie · 05-26-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thewicked

in my opinion no... [no other products like results]

Yeah, but we already know you're drinking the ALN kool-aid. However you may want to pop over to the Results thread (http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/su...ml#post1788242 (My log of 'RESULTS' from At Large Nutrition)) and you'll see that the research doesn't match your optimism.

thewicked · 05-26-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aussie

Yeah, but we already know you're drinking the ALN kool-aid. However you may want to pop over to the Results thread (http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/su...ml#post1788242 (My log of 'RESULTS' from At Large Nutrition)) and you'll see that the research doesn't match your optimism.

proof of fact..

i use it.. it works for me..i'll keep taking it. No reason to read that to keep me on the product or recommending it. No creatine supplement has worked for me before and this one does...I like it, I'll use it.

aussie · 05-26-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thewicked

proof of fact..

i use it.. it works for me..i'll keep taking it. No reason to read that to keep me on the product or recommending it. No creatine supplement has worked for me before and this one does...I like it, I'll use it.

LOL, all that proves is that you use it. Use doesn't equate to effectiveness.

I'm thinking I should subcribe to your train of thought. The other day I added some vanilla extract to my PWO shake and I hit a PR in my deadlift. My god, how did I not know that vanilla extract was such a powerful supplement?! I wonder if McCormick will sponsor me?

thewicked · 05-26-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aussie

LOL, all that proves is that you use it. Use doesn't equate to effectiveness.

I'm thinking I should subcribe to your train of thought. The other day I added some vanilla extract to my PWO shake and I hit a PR in my deadlift. My god, how did I not know that vanilla extract was such a powerful supplement?! I wonder if McCormick will sponsor me?

i love vanilla extract.. but i don't see how it could be effectively argued at this point because since when does vanilla support anything training like a creatine suppplement does?

I wasn't using it before.. started taking it and not only saw a change..but that change was CONSTANT. If I took it and didn't like it.. i would'nt say anything about it.

your argument is apples to oranges.

soxmuscle · 05-27-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Bell

I s'pose I shouldn't be surprised....

that was really lame

Out of your 66 posts, every single one has been ALN related.

Contribute something to this board your opinions would matter.

^ I mean that wholeheartedly, you clearly know something if you're benching 700+ pounds, make yourself worthwhile for a change.

soxmuscle · 05-27-2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by aussie

I'm guessing I'm not the only one seeing a pattern of over-priced and hyped supplements in the ALN product line.

You, Texan and the likes have been 100% spot on.

Play nice........

thewicked · 05-27-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Out of your 66 posts, every single one has been ALN related.

Contribute something to this board other than sucking Chris Mason's cock and your opinions would matter.

^ I mean that wholeheartedly, you clearly know something if you're benching 700+ pounds, make yourself worthwhile for a change.

for someone looking to better the boards, your comment seems abit hypocritical.

I might be new here...but the "search" function might enable you to see what else travis has contributed besides things ALN related as you so politely put it.

what i haven't understood beyond the arguments obviously put in this thread which is warranted due to the thread topic.. a few people here who haven't tried the supplements seem to be out "headhunting" anyone who mentions ALN and bash it instead of offering anything worth while to the original poster's question. I've noticed it a few times by a select group of people who don't need to be named because it's obvious.

this forum is a place to learn and benefit from one another.. i'd like to see things lean that way.

thewicked · 05-27-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

You, Texan and the likes have been 100% spot on.

Thanks for opening my eyes to how shitty of a company ALN is, although I must say my eyes were already opened by their illiterate staff

see that's what I don't understand about you calling ALN athletes and IM memebers that use it illiterate. We've stated that yes.. there are cheaper options out there and have on numerous occassions. Your argument has been solely over price it seems. Not the quality of product or wether or not it works..but the price.

just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's overpriced...both are not one in the same. For someone having been "shown the light" i'm sure you'd see this to be the truth. The idea that something is overpriced is subject solely to the buyer and their "bias" which seems to be tossed around alot.

if your point is to say negative things about aln's products having NOT used them.. i challenge you to find a single NEGATIVE comment be it a post or otherwise about ANY ALN product that hasn't come from a sponsored athlete.

good luck...

soxmuscle · 05-27-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thewicked

for someone looking to better the boards, your comment seems abit hypocritical.

I might be new here...but the "search" function might enable you to see what else travis has contributed besides things ALN related as you so politely put it.

what i haven't understood beyond the arguments obviously put in this thread which is warranted due to the thread topic.. a few people here who haven't tried the supplements seem to be out "headhunting" anyone who mentions ALN and bash it instead of offering anything worth while to the original poster's question. I've noticed it a few times by a select group of people who don't need to be named because it's obvious.

this forum is a place to learn and benefit from one another.. i'd like to see things lean that way.

You are the original poster!? Are you friggin' kidding me?

What kind of people work for this company!?

Like, how are more people's minds not as boggled as mine!?

thewicked · 05-27-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by soxmuscle

You are the original poster!? Are you friggin' kidding me?

What kind of people work for this company!?

Like, how are more people's minds not as boggled as mine!?

when did i say that? it was a generalized statement. Notice you only highlighted a section of my statement instead of the whole thing. For someone preaching about the illiteracy plaguing IM, seems you yourself are subject to it from time to time.

soxmuscle · 05-27-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by thewicked

see that's what I don't understand about you calling ALN athletes and IM memebers that use it illiterate. We've stated that yes.. there are cheaper options out there and have on numerous occassions. Your argument has been solely over price it seems. Not the quality of product or wether or not it works..but the price.

Again, your putting words in my mouth.
All I've said all along is that the ALN products are the most overpriced products I've ever seen, and if it needs to be said, I'll say it again:

ALN products are the most overpriced supplements on the market.

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just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's overpriced...both are not one in the same. For someone having been "shown the light" i'm sure you'd see this to be the truth. The idea that something is overpriced is subject solely to the buyer and their "bias" which seems to be tossed around alot.

The product is overpriced and expensive, we've been over this, bud. Lets not beat this dead horse any more than we already have.

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if your point is to say negative things about aln's products having NOT used them.. i challenge you to find a single NEGATIVE comment be it a post or otherwise about ANY ALN product that hasn't come from a sponsored athlete.

For the 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 time: ALN products are completely overpriced. Why would someone have negative comments about taking creatine w/ dextrose? That's supplementing 101 as far as I'm concerned, unfortunately you assclowns hype it up and make it out to be the best thing since sliced bread.

"Unfortunate really"

aussie · 05-27-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by thewicked

i love vanilla extract.. but i don't see how it could be effectively argued at this point because since when does vanilla support anything training like a creatine suppplement does?

I wasn't using it before.. started taking it and not only saw a change..but that change was CONSTANT. If I took it and didn't like it.. i would'nt say anything about it.

your argument is apples to oranges.

My "argument" was facetious but you missed my point. No one here argues the role that creatine can play on training. What's in contention are the other ingredients (HMB and BA) in Results that have been shown to have little or no impact on training. It's these ingredients along with a massively inflated price tag that differentiate Results with and any other Creapure creatine mono supp and therefore makes it a poor choice for a supplement stack.

soxmuscle · 05-27-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by thewicked

when did i say that? it was a generalized statement. Notice you only highlighted a section of my statement instead of the whole thing. For someone preaching about the illiteracy plaguing IM, seems you yourself are subject to it from time to time.

What are you even talking about? When did you say what?

soxmuscle · 05-27-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aussie

My "argument" was facetious but you missed my point. No one here argues the role that creatine can play on training. What's in contention are the other ingredients (HMB and BA) in Results that have been shown to have little or no impact on training. It's these ingredients along with a massively inflated price tag that differentiate Results with and any other Creapure creatine mono supp and therefore makes it a poor choice for a supplement stack.

thewicked missed your point?

I'm shocked.

thewicked · 05-27-2008, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by aussie

My "argument" was facetious but you missed my point. No one here argues the role that creatine can play on training. What's in contention are the other ingredients (HMB and BA) in Results that have been shown to have little or no impact on training. It's these ingredients along with a massively inflated price tag that differentiate Results with and any other Creapure creatine mono supp and therefore makes it a poor choice for a supplement stack.

all i said was you were comparing apples to oranges..forgive me it's late. The fact that you were being facetious didn't dawn on me til after the fact.

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