2nd "havoc" cycle... check it out..

bones33 · 07-23-2008, 06:07 PM

This is my second cycle, however instead of Havoc, i'm taking Epiotren. Which is a mix of espistane and "Tren"... I started Monday after pre-loading a week with cycle support...

I'm taking 3 per day.. Started at 172lbs.. My bench starting on the cycle was I could get 205 about 5 times. I'll keep you guys updated incase anyone was interested in trying it.

workingatit43 · 07-23-2008, 07:20 PM

Yes please keep us updated there seems to be alot of intrest as of late on the Epi/tren products

zombul · 07-23-2008, 07:31 PM

This should be a fun cycle I want to know when you first start seing some gains as well.Keep us updated for sure.

jday · 07-23-2008, 10:40 PM

Hell yeah!! Keep us posted!!! Highly considering doing that next!!

bones33 · 07-24-2008, 11:36 AM

Definatly... Today's only day 4, and workingatit actually told me that people on their second "Havoc" cycle don't typically see as good as results, so i'll definatly let you guys know.

Also: I have some liquid nolva on hand incase i start seeing some results I dont want.

workingatit43 · 07-24-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bones33

Definatly... Today's only day 4, and workingatit actually told me that people on their second "Havoc" cycle don't typically see as good as results, so i'll definatly let you guys know.

Also: I have some liquid nolva on hand incase i start seeing some results I dont want.

Yes if your running Havoc back to back normally the gains will not be as great but keep us informed

lucifuge · 07-24-2008, 04:58 PM

good deal,
I've been thinking about running havoc/epi...
I'll be watching

Merkaba · 07-25-2008, 10:49 AM

How old are you?
benching 205...

I don't understand these hardcore supps for obviously mild physiques. Oh well to each his own I wish you luck.

bones33 · 07-25-2008, 06:39 PM

21 years old... I weight 172lbs.. and about 5'10..

bones33 · 07-29-2008, 11:43 AM

A week and one day ago started... Think I might feel a bit increased aggression, and arms look a bit fuller to me. Could be in my head, since its only been a week. I'm lifting back again today, so i'll fill you guys in on whether the strength and endurance changed at all. I'm not expecting too much as its only been one week though.

workingatit43 · 07-29-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bones33

A week and one day ago started... Think I might feel a bit increased aggression, and arms look a bit fuller to me. Could be in my head, since its only been a week. I'm lifting back again today, so i'll fill you guys in on whether the strength and endurance changed at all. I'm not expecting too much as its only been one week though.

Gains should start to kick in after 2 weeks give or take a couple of days keep hittingit hard bro

jday · 07-30-2008, 07:06 AM

Keep us posted, I just ordered mine last night. Hopefully it will arrive b4 the weekend.

bones33 · 08-01-2008, 11:27 AM

Almost two weeks on... I've gained 6lbs the scale reads, and for some reason it seems like i'm getting more sore, longer. But who knows.. I feel like my strength went up, I really couldnt test it on the bench because i got a shooting sensation up my arm (from elbow to wrist) and almost dropped the weight on me(never had this happen before), so i stuck to dumbells that day, and the pain was only there when i used a BARBELL, but not dumbells, maybe was the angle my arms were...

At any rate I feel stronger thus far, and hopefully next week can actually do a flat barbell bench to tell if it really did go up.

zombul · 08-01-2008, 01:02 PM

Muscle soreness? Try some taurine and that may help with the cramps some.Keep drinking alot of water too.

workingatit43 · 08-01-2008, 04:47 PM

Taurine may help and increase the water but if you get another shooting pain like that have it checked out bro

bones33 · 08-01-2008, 05:50 PM

Just got back from the gym... felt insanely stronger.. gained roughly 5lbs. not bad really, i think the pain was from throwin a baseball around with a friend and doing some pitching i got discomfort so i iced it..

I felt great though in the gym, the only thing i've notice was increased heart beat or possibly palpitations, otherwise great thusfar.. I'll post more monday or so when i lift chest again.

workingatit43 · 08-01-2008, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bones33

Just got back from the gym... felt insanely stronger.. gained roughly 5lbs. not bad really, i think the pain was from throwin a baseball around with a friend and doing some pitching i got discomfort so i iced it..

I felt great though in the gym, the only thing i've notice was increased heart beat or possibly palpitations, otherwise great thusfar.. I'll post more monday or so when i lift chest again.

Try to get you blood pressure checked and if you keep getting increased heart beat that is not a good thing have it checked. I hope it all works out for you bro

jday · 08-10-2008, 08:33 PM

whats new with the cycle??

zombul · 08-11-2008, 09:48 AM

Updates.

bones33 · 08-11-2008, 01:42 PM

Hey guys sorry, got real busy with getting ready to transition to Penn State Main.. ANYYYYWAYYY... Did not gain much weight at all to be honest, about 175ish now.. However, I must say I do feel much stronger.

Starting the cycle I was doing 185, STRUGGLING to get the 10th rep. Now, as of Wednesday, I pumped out 13 reps like cake. Tomorrow I will be lifting Chest and Back together, so I'll give a more indepth report, as well as lifting increase in pounds.

Also, for some reason i feel as if I'm retaining weight around the abdominal area, althought my weight has not really changed.. Maybe water retention???

workingatit43 · 08-11-2008, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bones33

Hey guys sorry, got real busy with getting ready to transition to Penn State Main.. ANYYYYWAYYY... Did not gain much weight at all to be honest, about 175ish now.. However, I must say I do feel much stronger.

Starting the cycle I was doing 185, STRUGGLING to get the 10th rep. Now, as of Wednesday, I pumped out 13 reps like cake. Tomorrow I will be lifting Chest and Back together, so I'll give a more indepth report, as well as lifting increase in pounds.

Also, for some reason i feel as if I'm retaining weight around the abdominal area, althought my weight has not really changed.. Maybe water retention???

Possibly water although Havoc is a dryer compound.

bones33 · 08-13-2008, 06:52 PM

No real changes while using this, if so there so minute they could easily be attributed to normal diet and lifting.. Upset with this product.

workingatit43 · 08-13-2008, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bones33

No real changes while using this, if so there so minute they could easily be attributed to normal diet and lifting.. Upset with this product.

Well is this back to back on the Havoc?

**dg806** · 08-13-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bones33

No real changes while using this, if so there so minute they could easily be attributed to normal diet and lifting.. Upset with this product.

I don't know that I would count the product out. I tell everyone that eating has everything to do with gaining, even while on steriods. Steriods are not going to make you gain if your diet is not what it should be. Now I don't know what your diet was like, but unless you can gain naturally by eating, steriods will not help you gain a pound except for maybe some water retention. No Muscle.

**dg806** · 08-13-2008, 07:28 PM

And honestly, you were not at a point that you should have needed a product like this.
How long have you been off the first cycle?

bones33 · 08-13-2008, 10:55 PM

About 3 months since I took my last havoc cycle, I shouldn't have said that earlier, I am gaining, its just very VERY frustrating, and if anything it was just the frustration talking. I've noticed size in the chest/arms/shoulders.. but the strength wasn't what I expected...

workingatit43 · 08-14-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dg806

I don't know that I would count the product out. I tell everyone that eating has everything to do with gaining, even while on steriods. Steriods are not going to make you gain if your diet is not what it should be. Now I don't know what your diet was like, but unless you can gain naturally by eating, steriods will not help you gain a pound except for maybe some water retention. No Muscle.

Agreed 100% eat alot and eat clean on this. I would not have run Havoc 2 cycles in a row it is better to switch up to a different compound but keep busting it bro the gains will be there if you eat and train right.

**dg806** · 08-14-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bones33

About 3 months since I took my last havoc cycle, I shouldn't have said that earlier, I am gaining, its just very VERY frustrating, and if anything it was just the frustration talking. I've noticed size in the chest/arms/shoulders.. but the strength wasn't what I expected...

You also can gain very quickly on first cycles, but as you grow, the gains come slower and harder. If not everyone would be 500 lbs. You just can't keep gaining 20 lbs on every cycle. Your body will not support but just so much mass.

07-23-2008, 06:07 PM	#1
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160	2nd "havoc" cycle... check it out.. This is my second cycle, however instead of Havoc, i'm taking Epiotren. Which is a mix of espistane and "Tren"... I started Monday after pre-loading a week with cycle support... I'm taking 3 per day.. Started at 172lbs.. My bench starting on the cycle was I could get 205 about 5 times. I'll keep you guys updated incase anyone was interested in trying it.
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07-23-2008, 07:20 PM	#2
workingatit43 AI/Sbmuscle Rep Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ma Posts: 1,450	Yes please keep us updated there seems to be alot of intrest as of late on the Epi/tren products
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07-23-2008, 07:31 PM	#3
zombul SB MUSCLE REP Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Power Rack Posts: 1,937	This should be a fun cycle I want to know when you first start seing some gains as well.Keep us updated for sure.
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07-24-2008, 11:36 AM	#5
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160	Definatly... Today's only day 4, and workingatit actually told me that people on their second "Havoc" cycle don't typically see as good as results, so i'll definatly let you guys know. Also: I have some liquid nolva on hand incase i start seeing some results I dont want.
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07-25-2008, 10:49 AM	#8
Merkaba "He's so Natty!" Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: sc Posts: 404	How old are you? benching 205... I don't understand these hardcore supps for obviously mild physiques. Oh well to each his own I wish you luck.
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07-23-2008, 10:40 PM	#4
jday Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SF CA Posts: 18	Hell yeah!! Keep us posted!!! Highly considering doing that next!!

07-24-2008, 04:58 PM	#7
lucifuge 100 Proof Chaos Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 1313 Mockingbird Lane Posts: 1,226 Photos: 11	good deal, I've been thinking about running havoc/epi... I'll be watching

07-25-2008, 06:39 PM	#9
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160	21 years old... I weight 172lbs.. and about 5'10..
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07-29-2008, 11:43 AM	#10
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160	A week and one day ago started... Think I might feel a bit increased aggression, and arms look a bit fuller to me. Could be in my head, since its only been a week. I'm lifting back again today, so i'll fill you guys in on whether the strength and endurance changed at all. I'm not expecting too much as its only been one week though.
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07-30-2008, 07:06 AM	#12
jday Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SF CA Posts: 18	Keep us posted, I just ordered mine last night. Hopefully it will arrive b4 the weekend.

08-01-2008, 11:27 AM	#13
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160	Almost two weeks on... I've gained 6lbs the scale reads, and for some reason it seems like i'm getting more sore, longer. But who knows.. I feel like my strength went up, I really couldnt test it on the bench because i got a shooting sensation up my arm (from elbow to wrist) and almost dropped the weight on me(never had this happen before), so i stuck to dumbells that day, and the pain was only there when i used a BARBELL, but not dumbells, maybe was the angle my arms were... At any rate I feel stronger thus far, and hopefully next week can actually do a flat barbell bench to tell if it really did go up.
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160

08-01-2008, 01:02 PM	#14
zombul SB MUSCLE REP Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Power Rack Posts: 1,937	Muscle soreness? Try some taurine and that may help with the cramps some.Keep drinking alot of water too.
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08-01-2008, 04:47 PM	#15
workingatit43 AI/Sbmuscle Rep Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ma Posts: 1,450	Taurine may help and increase the water but if you get another shooting pain like that have it checked out bro
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08-01-2008, 05:50 PM	#16
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160	Just got back from the gym... felt insanely stronger.. gained roughly 5lbs. not bad really, i think the pain was from throwin a baseball around with a friend and doing some pitching i got discomfort so i iced it.. I felt great though in the gym, the only thing i've notice was increased heart beat or possibly palpitations, otherwise great thusfar.. I'll post more monday or so when i lift chest again.
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160

08-10-2008, 08:33 PM	#18
jday Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SF CA Posts: 18	whats new with the cycle??

08-11-2008, 09:48 AM	#19
zombul SB MUSCLE REP Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Power Rack Posts: 1,937	Updates.
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08-11-2008, 01:42 PM	#20
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160	Hey guys sorry, got real busy with getting ready to transition to Penn State Main.. ANYYYYWAYYY... Did not gain much weight at all to be honest, about 175ish now.. However, I must say I do feel much stronger. Starting the cycle I was doing 185, STRUGGLING to get the 10th rep. Now, as of Wednesday, I pumped out 13 reps like cake. Tomorrow I will be lifting Chest and Back together, so I'll give a more indepth report, as well as lifting increase in pounds. Also, for some reason i feel as if I'm retaining weight around the abdominal area, althought my weight has not really changed.. Maybe water retention???
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160

08-13-2008, 06:52 PM	#22
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160	No real changes while using this, if so there so minute they could easily be attributed to normal diet and lifting.. Upset with this product.
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160

08-13-2008, 07:28 PM	#25
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,270	And honestly, you were not at a point that you should have needed a product like this. How long have you been off the first cycle?
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08-13-2008, 10:55 PM	#26
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160	About 3 months since I took my last havoc cycle, I shouldn't have said that earlier, I am gaining, its just very VERY frustrating, and if anything it was just the frustration talking. I've noticed size in the chest/arms/shoulders.. but the strength wasn't what I expected...
bones33 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160