Ergopharm 1-AD or Mag-10?

**Prince** · 08-21-2002, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by gopro
Do not worry...your own slightly elevated TEST will NOT aromatize into estrogen and cause bitch tits!

that is true, however when T levels increase it's inevitable that estrogen levels will also increase, and that can cause bitch tits.

**dg806** · 08-21-2002, 01:24 PM

Yes that may be true with steriods but I really don't think your own natural levels would be high enough to cause gyno! Have you ever heard of this happening??

gopro · 08-23-2002, 08:48 AM

This would not happen with natural test levels. Your body's feeback mechanism would not allow test/estrogen levels to go high enough to cause bitch tits.

Vale Tudo · 08-28-2002, 10:18 AM

dude i think I lost a lot of what i gained on the 1-ad cycle, I spike all of the way up to 210 while on it and for about a week after I stayed like that, then dropped to like 205 mysterously, some of it was body fat but not much (on bulk I only junp up to maybe 9 or 10%) now im back donw o like 7-8, and now I am all of the way back down to 195. This sucks, I stsarted at like 190, and that big of a jump was awesome, and ever five punds is nice, but man after the initial jump, it is discouraging to see your body shrink again. I cycle 9off with the tribex and everything, but I just couldnt seem to keep the size and stregnth gains.

gopro · 08-29-2002, 09:27 AM

You shouldn't have lost that much so quickly. That is really strange. Did you do anything else different once coming off?

Vale Tudo · 08-29-2002, 11:13 AM

not that i can think of. I kept my protein intake high, but maybe not as high as i did durring the cycle, and I followed the tribex cycle that you gave me. I continued to lift and work just as hard, it was just like the tregnth wasnt there. Maybe it was a mental thing, i dont know. I am thinking about trying to cycle it again maybe in October, but if I am spending that kind of money I want the gains to stick you know? do yuo think this could be becasue I am only 22? I am not sure man, what do you think?

Vale Tudo · 09-01-2002, 08:31 AM

So what do you think Gopro?

gopro · 09-01-2002, 04:00 PM

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Originally posted by Vale Tudo
So what do you think Gopro?

Well VT I am a little perturbed about this. Now you said your protein was a little lower...that is not good. You have to keep protein just as high when coming off.

Besides that though I have a few other ideas...first, some people retain more gains on pro-steroids/hormones than others. I have seen some people keep all of their gains and some lose them all. Personally, I feel the goal should be to keep about half at least. Unfortunately, you may be at the lower end.

Other things to consider are going with shorter cycles...like 2-3 weeks on and 2-3 weeks off. This may keep your natural hormone output more intact. I have used this successfully with several people.

Also, we may need to use more than just Tribex after the cycle...or, a higher dosage.

Are you on creatine? One great trick is to load creatine when coming off prohormones, that is if you have not been on it.

Those are some of my ideas. We can discuss more if you want to PM me about your next cycle.

Vale Tudo · 09-02-2002, 10:17 AM

Great, thanks a lot foir the help GP, I will be PMing you soon

lilman31 · 05-22-2004, 12:07 AM

hi, im wondering about the side-effects of mag-10 and 1-ad and the effect they would have on a 17 year old

me and two of my friends are wanting to take it to get bigger and we all play football and are trying to get bigger so we get more coaches looking at us, we all play really good, just our size to them doesnt seem to be to their standards

can you please tell me what will happen if we take them, will there be any long term effects, like birth-defects etc?? my dad wants me to research about them before he lets me take anything

thanks

08-21-2002, 01:24 PM	#32
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	Yes that may be true with steriods but I really don't think your own natural levels would be high enough to cause gyno! Have you ever heard of this happening?? 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

08-23-2002, 08:48 AM	#33
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	This would not happen with natural test levels. Your body's feeback mechanism would not allow test/estrogen levels to go high enough to cause bitch tits. All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

08-29-2002, 09:27 AM	#35
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	You shouldn't have lost that much so quickly. That is really strange. Did you do anything else different once coming off? All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

05-22-2004, 12:07 AM	#40
lilman31 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: arizona Posts: 1	1ad and mag10 side effects hi, im wondering about the side-effects of mag-10 and 1-ad and the effect they would have on a 17 year old me and two of my friends are wanting to take it to get bigger and we all play football and are trying to get bigger so we get more coaches looking at us, we all play really good, just our size to them doesnt seem to be to their standards can you please tell me what will happen if we take them, will there be any long term effects, like birth-defects etc?? my dad wants me to research about them before he lets me take anything thanks

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08-28-2002, 10:18 AM	#34
Vale Tudo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 357	dude i think I lost a lot of what i gained on the 1-ad cycle, I spike all of the way up to 210 while on it and for about a week after I stayed like that, then dropped to like 205 mysterously, some of it was body fat but not much (on bulk I only junp up to maybe 9 or 10%) now im back donw o like 7-8, and now I am all of the way back down to 195. This sucks, I stsarted at like 190, and that big of a jump was awesome, and ever five punds is nice, but man after the initial jump, it is discouraging to see your body shrink again. I cycle 9off with the tribex and everything, but I just couldnt seem to keep the size and stregnth gains.

08-29-2002, 11:13 AM	#36
Vale Tudo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 357	not that i can think of. I kept my protein intake high, but maybe not as high as i did durring the cycle, and I followed the tribex cycle that you gave me. I continued to lift and work just as hard, it was just like the tregnth wasnt there. Maybe it was a mental thing, i dont know. I am thinking about trying to cycle it again maybe in October, but if I am spending that kind of money I want the gains to stick you know? do yuo think this could be becasue I am only 22? I am not sure man, what do you think?

09-01-2002, 08:31 AM	#37
Vale Tudo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 357	So what do you think Gopro?

09-02-2002, 10:17 AM	#39
Vale Tudo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 357	Great, thanks a lot foir the help GP, I will be PMing you soon

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