Thread: elbow pain

Depends on what sort of pain...bone, ligament?? Super Cissus has some very positive feedback on these sort of issues... for ligament, connective tissue issues.

Originally Posted by biggfly

Depends on what sort of pain...bone, ligament?? Super Cissus has some very positive feedback on these sort of issues... for ligament, connective tissue issues.

im not a doctor or anything but the pain seems to come from inside the elbow if that makes sense lol maybe a joint or ligament like you said

Originally Posted by ironbull

im not a doctor or anything but the pain seems to come from inside the elbow if that makes sense lol maybe a joint or ligament like you said

Sounds like tendonitis. You better get it now before it becomes debilitating. I like Cissus for this reason. If this is the cause, cissus will help relieve your aches.

I actually have the same rpoblem in my left elbow. Any curling or pulling excercise that flexes my wrist is brutal on my elbow. For instance, pull ups hurt, regular curls with plams facing up, ouch. Hammer curls, no problem. Pushing exercises, no problem. Went to the doctor, as mine got so bad that I could barely move my arm after workouts to brush teeth etc. and kept me up at night, and it was basically advanced tendonitis. Got a few injections, refrained from those few straining movements, and also had a prescription for 800MG Ibuprofen(3/day) and after a while, it toned way down. It is still there, as I refuse to stay out of the weight room as advised by the doc, so now its simply stubborness and hence my fault.

what the hell is cissus?

Cissus quadrangularis....Its pretty popular and Im suprised you have not heard anything about it because it is included in many products now. Its great for joints. I literally had patellar tendonitis so bad in my knee, I could hardly walk down stairs. A couple weeks on this stuff, and things got much better. A couple months of it, it was completely gone.

Originally Posted by egodog48

Cissus quadrangularis....Its pretty popular and Im suprised you have not heard anything about it because it is included in many products now. Its great for joints. I literally had patellar tendonitis so bad in my knee, I could hardly walk down stairs. A couple weeks on this stuff, and things got much better. A couple months of it, it was completely gone.

What kind of dosage were you using? I've been using it for a while but haven't had much success.

Originally Posted by egodog48

Cissus quadrangularis....Its pretty popular and Im suprised you have not heard anything about it because it is included in many products now. Its great for joints. I literally had patellar tendonitis so bad in my knee, I could hardly walk down stairs. A couple weeks on this stuff, and things got much better. A couple months of it, it was completely gone.

I don't use any supplements other than creatine (when I remeber), whey and fish oi.

can you please post a link.

Originally Posted by jchappj

What kind of dosage were you using? I've been using it for a while but haven't had much success.

Honestly, dosing is hard to say, its been awhile. When I fist started they didnt have the Super Cissus out yet, and I was mass dosing it. After the initial pain subsided, I began lowering to maintenance dosing. I believe I went through 2.5 bottles.

Are you sure what yo uhave can be related to tendons. I think that unless its tendon related, you will have better luck with topical gluco/chondroit and fish oil. As far as what I will say to people is that for me, it worked for tendonitis. Thats all I can honestly claim.

Originally Posted by P-funk

I don't use any supplements other than creatine (when I remeber), whey and fish oi.

can you please post a link.

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You can also find it in Palo Alto Lab's Incarnate which is beta alanine and cissus. I find that when it does ever start acting up, as long as I catch it early, the amount in incarnate is enough to keep it from hurting. It has 20% Ketosterones at 600mg.

what are the ingredients? all it says is "herbal blah blah blah..750mg"

Originally Posted by P-funk

what are the ingredients? all it says is "herbal blah blah blah..750mg"

Oh, its Herbal, that means it's natural, doesn't matter and that its automatically good for you!!!

i see

Originally Posted by P-funk

what are the ingredients? all it says is "herbal blah blah blah..750mg"

This is the info that originally peaked my interest. I bought it in bulk because it's inexpensive that way. My ailment is tendonitis, left elbow/forearm. Any pulling excercise agrivates it- to the point that its debilitating if I'm not careful.
Cissus quadrangularis

Cissus quadrangularis is an ancient medicinal plant native to the hotter parts of Ceylon and India. It was prescribed in the ancient Ayurvedic texts as a general tonic and analgesic, with specific bone fracture healing properties. Modern research has shed light on Cissus' ability to speed bone healing by showing it acts as a glucocorticoid antagonist (1,2). Since anabolic/androgenic compounds are well known to act as antagonists to the glucocorticoid receptor as well as promote bone growth and fracture healing, it has been postulated that Cissus possesses anabolic and/or androgenic properties (1,3). In addition to speeding the remodeling process of the healing bone, Cissus also leads to a much faster increase in bone tensile strength. In clinical trials Cissus has led to a fracture healing time on the order of 55 to 33 percent of that of controls. That cissus exerts antiglucocorticoid properties is suggested by a number of studies where bones were weakend by treatment with cortisol, and upon administration of Cissus extract the cortisol induced weakening was halted, and the healing process begun.

While the increased rate of bone healing may be of great significance to persons suffering from chronic diseases like osteoporosis (4), the antiglucocorticoid properties of Cissus are likely of much more interest to the average bodybuilder or athlete, since endogenous glucocorticoids, particularly cortisol, are not only catabolic to bone, but catabolize muscle tissue as well. Numerous studies over the years have suggested that glucorticoids, including the body's endogenous hormone cortisol activate pathways that degrade not only bone, but skeletal muscle tissue as well. A recently published report documented exactly how glucocorticoids (including cortisol) induce muscle breakdown: They activate the so-called ubiquitin-proteasome pathway of proteolysis (5). This pathway of tissue breakdown is important for removing damaged and non-functional proteins. However, when it is overactive during periods of elevated cortisol (e.g disease states, stress, and overtraining) excess amounts of normal tissue are broken down as well. By exerting an anabolic, antiglucorticoid effect cissus helps preserve muscle tissue during times of physical and emotional stress.

Although the bulk of the research on Cissus centers around bone healing, the possibility exists that Cissus may act to improve bone healing it may improve the healing rate of connective tissue in general, including tendons. If this is the case it would be of great benefit to bodybuilders and athletes.

Besides the above-mentioned properties of Cissus, the plant is also rich in the vitamins/antioxidants vitamin C and beta-carotene. As analyzed, Cissus quadrangularis contained ascorbic acid 479 mg, and carotene 267 units per 100g of freshly prepared paste in addition to calcium oxalate (6).

The typical recommended daily dosage of Cissus extract is between 100 and 500 mg, depending on the concentration of the extract and the severity of symptoms. For the powder of the dried plant, the Ayurvedic texts recommend a dosage of 3 to 6 grams to accelerate fracture healing. Safety studies in rats showed no toxic effects at dosages as high as 2000 mg/kg of body weight. So not only is Cissus efficacious, it is also quite safe, in either the dried powder form or the commercially available extract.

Cissus also possess analgesic properties on a mg per mg basis comparable to aspirin or anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen. Cissus quadrangularis constitutes one of the ingredients of an Ayurvedic preparation, `Laksha Gogglu', which has been proved to be highly effective in relieving pain, reduction of swelling and promoting the process of healing of the simple fractures as well as in curing the allied disorders associated with fractures (7). The mechanism through which Cissus exerts its analgesic and anti-inflammatory properties has not been well characterized. It may act centrally, but the anti-inflammatory features suggest that it acts by preventing the conversion of arachidonic acid to inflammatory prostaglandins.

I have been Using Cissus Post-op for my shoulder. As well as a Glucosamine, MSM Chondrotin.

Can't say whether any significant difference is noticed.