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Branched-chain amino acids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Leucine, isoleucine and valine are the BCAAs, and they are all essential amino acids.

They're also in EVERYTHING. Whey protein for example is full of BCAAs.

Unless you're in a burn unit or on extremely low calories, you don't need to supplement with BCAAs at all - just have a whey shake and be done with it.

Originally Posted by Built

Branched-chain amino acids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Leucine, isoleucine and valine are the BCAAs, and they are all essential amino acids.

They're also in EVERYTHING. Whey protein for example is full of BCAAs.

Unless you're in a burn unit or on extremely low calories, you don't need to supplement with BCAAs at all - just have a whey shake and be done with it.

what about beta alaine. the reason i ask is , yes i do know a lot of these products are already in most protiens.its just that i read in some magazine, about absolute essential supplementation.... and i was wondering if that was true ,of what they said.

I'm glad you asked.

"Essential supplementation" - bit of an oxymoron, don't you think? Essential means you MUST have it. Supplement means it's optional.

You don't need it. It is unlikely to do anything for you.

Originally Posted by diablomex

what about beta alaine. the reason i ask is , yes i do know a lot of these products are already in most protiens.its just that i read in some magazine, about absolute essential supplementation.... and i was wondering if that was true ,of what they said.

supplementing with free form bcaa's or free form eaa's cannot compare to whole proteins. it is a completely different ballgame. are free form amino's necessary? no, absolutely not. they are what i consider a "next tier" supplement. when you start tinkering with nutrient timing and such, it is a nice addition. beta alanine i would consider a small step above basic supplementation.

but built is right, you dont need supplements, so it is stragne to call them essential.

Originally Posted by nni

supplementing with free form bcaa's or free form eaa's cannot compare to whole proteins. it is a completely different ballgame. are free form amino's necessary? no, absolutely not. they are what i consider a "next tier" supplement. when you start tinkering with nutrient timing and such, it is a nice addition. beta alanine i would consider a small step above basic supplementation.

but built is right, you dont need supplements, so it is stragne to call them essential.

what do you mean about the beta alaine?im just asking about, what i read? i do know , what your saying about the essentials.i know about the basics, but i always trying to look for something better.

ive been at this for a long time, and always looking for something that can up my game.you know what i mean

Originally Posted by diablomex

ive been at this for a long time, and always looking for something that can up my game.you know what i mean

ok, maybe i missed it, what is the exact question? i took it as protein contains it, so you dont need it. my feeling is you dont need it, but certainly not because protein covers it, because it doesnt, at least not in the same way.

Originally Posted by nni

ok, maybe i missed it, what is the exact question? i took it as protein contains it, so you dont need it. my feeling is you dont need it, but certainly not because protein covers it, because it doesnt, at least not in the same way.

i got what your saying.i guess, i just asked a whole different question.sorry.i was looking at beta alaine, and wondering whats this product good for,and i thought it was already in protein.thats what i told my friend , that asked me about it.i could be wrong .sorry if i confused you

I noticed that not all whey proteins are full of amino acids. 'Extreme Gains' protein from Untimate Nutrition has 60 grams of proteins per serving, but it has less than one gram of amino acid per serving. I don't know how is it possible. I think it is good idea to look at the lebel to find out how much amino acids are in a serving of protein. I think it is also good idea to buy seperate amino acids if you are going to buy protein like above one.

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by chobby192

I noticed that not all whey proteins are full of amino acids. 'Extreme Gains' protein from Untimate Nutrition has 60 grams of proteins per serving, but it has less than one gram of amino acid per serving. I don't know how is it possible. I think it is good idea to look at the lebel to find out how much amino acids are in a serving of protein. I think it is also good idea to buy seperate amino acids if you are going to buy protein like above one.

Just my opinion.

that was kinda my question,do we need to purchase bcca seperate from our protien drinks.the protien drinks have been " on 100% whey " and "ons nitrocore 24".the one i was thinking about getting because moneys tight is "elite gourmet ". thats what brings me to the original question nad elite doesnt get that much in detail

I just checked Optimum 's 100% whey, it has good amino acids profile. If you buy it you don't need to buy seperate amino acids. But I am not so sure about other two proteins that you mentioned. I think you just have to buy the smallest tub to find out by yourself.

Originally Posted by diablomex

i got what your saying.i guess, i just asked a whole different question.sorry.i was looking at beta alaine, and wondering whats this product good for,and i thought it was already in protein.thats what i told my friend , that asked me about it.i could be wrong .sorry if i confused you

beta alanine isnt in protein. it is intended to up your body's levels of carnosine and it is tied to endurance. it is a good product.

Originally Posted by diablomex

that was kinda my question,do we need to purchase bcca seperate from our protien drinks.the protien drinks have been " on 100% whey " and "ons nitrocore 24".the one i was thinking about getting because moneys tight is "elite gourmet ". thats what brings me to the original question nad elite doesnt get that much in detail

again, aminos from protein cannot compare to free form.

Originally Posted by chobby192

I just checked Optimum 's 100% whey, it has good amino acids profile. If you buy it you don't need to buy seperate amino acids. But I am not so sure about other two proteins that you mentioned. I think you just have to buy the smallest tub to find out by yourself.

this is very much untrue and shows the same misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by nni

this is very much untrue and shows the same misunderstanding.

If your taking ON 100% you don't need seperate BCAAs, unless your on a hardcore cut.

Beta Alanine works pretty well. More endurance and a little strength, whether that aspect was placebo or not doesn't matter, it still worked.

If you take the Beta, split up the does. 6 grams split 3 times a day did the trick for me. The first week or 2 you'll notice that you get really tingly, almost itchy. It's perfectly normal, don't call the doc

You can also play with the dose. Lower it a little until you hit a point where the effects aren't as good. Then stick right above it. More is not better, you can only use so much of it.

Originally Posted by chobby192

I noticed that not all whey proteins are full of amino acids. 'Extreme Gains' protein from Untimate Nutrition has 60 grams of proteins per serving, but it has less than one gram of amino acid per serving. I don't know how is it possible.

It's not, so either their label is messed up or you're reading it incorrectly.

Originally Posted by chobby192

I think it is good idea to look at the lebel to find out how much amino acids are in a serving of protein.

Better to simply look at the protein content of the protein product you are using. The amino acid profiles are going to be essentially the same for each protein type: whey, casein, egg, etc.

Originally Posted by chobby192

I think it is also good idea to buy seperate amino acids if you are going to buy protein like above one.

There is better $$$$ spent on other things. Additional amino acids (and there are many, which is another issue...) won't do you any harm, but is generally not needed.