Thread: Need some supplement advice

Originally Posted by Merkaba

Cool man. Sorry to come off like that as well. But dam its just fun sometimes.
I don't think people view people as idiots in here because the media and such have really screwed the public over when it comes to this stuff. I mean its a multi billio dollar industry. Stick around and your life will probably change for the better.

No major harm done here. Like they say tough love is still love!

Floor guy, if you benching frequency is pretty high, and your technique is such that your feet are flat, way underneath you, and you have a pretty good arch is your back, with your but down, where one could place their hand between the bench and your back, all this could lead to a real tightening of your lower back. You want to bet your back strong this is what I do 2x a week:
1. Bent over Rows, standing on Thick 35`s, I use a belt, and wrist straps.
2. One Arm Dumbbell Rows, use a belt, & straps. Also do them off a horizontal bench, kneeling on a 4" block of wood with a pad, so I get a longer stretch while pulling.
3. Heavy Front Lat pulldowns.
Try Deadlifting on a seperate day, I never DL the same day I do Back. ALSO do them using the Sumo technique, you take the lower back out of the movement, because your "dropping down", instead of bending over.
Last sometimes I`ll throw in T-Bar rows for the back. I
don`t mean to brag, I`m 56, and can do hyperextentions for sets of 6 reps holding 3 each 45 lb plates. If I can keep my back strong, you can make yours strong.
Good Training
Big Back 51

Originally Posted by bigback51

Floor guy, if you benching frequency is pretty high, and your technique is such that your feet are flat, way underneath you, and you have a pretty good arch is your back, with your but down, where one could place their hand between the bench and your back, all this could lead to a real tightening of your lower back. You want to bet your back strong this is what I do 2x a week:
1. Bent over Rows, standing on Thick 35`s, I use a belt, and wrist straps.
2. One Arm Dumbbell Rows, use a belt, & straps. Also do them off a horizontal bench, kneeling on a 4" block of wood with a pad, so I get a longer stretch while pulling.
3. Heavy Front Lat pulldowns.
Try Deadlifting on a seperate day, I never DL the same day I do Back. ALSO do them using the Sumo technique, you take the lower back out of the movement, because your "dropping down", instead of bending over.
Last sometimes I`ll throw in T-Bar rows for the back. I
don`t mean to brag, I`m 56, and can do hyperextentions for sets of 6 reps holding 3 each 45 lb plates. If I can keep my back strong, you can make yours strong.
Good Training
Big Back 51

Theres nothing wrong with doing deads on back day. Nothing wrong with not doing them there either, whatever hes most comfortable with.

I challenge anyone, who is honestly busting their fanny, doing a brutal 2 hr back work out, to ALSO do a gut busting DL workout in the same session. Ya I can do DL`s during a back session, but thats called going thru the motions, no nothing behind the pulls thats for sure!!
Big Back 51

2 hr is overkill

nearly by a factor 3

i am in the gym for approx 2 hrs but then i train with a buddy of mine

Originally Posted by Ben dur

2 hr is overkill

nearly by a factor 3

not for a pro bodybuilder.

If hes not using AAS that has to be overkill. No natural workout need take 2 hours.

Originally Posted by Moondogg

If hes not using AAS that has to be overkill. No natural workout need take 2 hours.

Agreed.
My workouts NEVER go over an hour.
In fact most are 35-45mins. I don't fool around.
I go in, drink water. Do a set. Drink water. Do a set.
Rinse repeat.

Originally Posted by bigback51

Floor guy, if you benching frequency is pretty high, and your technique is such that your feet are flat, way underneath you, and you have a pretty good arch is your back, with your but down, where one could place their hand between the bench and your back, all this could lead to a real tightening of your lower back. You want to bet your back strong this is what I do 2x a week:
1. Bent over Rows, standing on Thick 35`s, I use a belt, and wrist straps.
2. One Arm Dumbbell Rows, use a belt, & straps. Also do them off a horizontal bench, kneeling on a 4" block of wood with a pad, so I get a longer stretch while pulling.
3. Heavy Front Lat pulldowns.
Try Deadlifting on a seperate day, I never DL the same day I do Back. ALSO do them using the Sumo technique, you take the lower back out of the movement, because your "dropping down", instead of bending over.
Last sometimes I`ll throw in T-Bar rows for the back. I
don`t mean to brag, I`m 56, and can do hyperextentions for sets of 6 reps holding 3 each 45 lb plates. If I can keep my back strong, you can make yours strong.
Good Training
Big Back 51

Thanks for the advice, but that wasn't the source of my back problems. However, since I have been doing LOTS more back and leg..i.e.squats, deadlifts, and pullups, I have had remarkable results with the loss of back pain.

I guess I just needed to work it out a bit.

Originally Posted by Floorguy

Thanks for the advice, but that wasn't the source of my back problems. However, since I have been doing LOTS more back and leg..i.e.squats, deadlifts, and pullups, I have had remarkable results with the loss of back pain.

I guess I just needed to work it out a bit.

Told ya!

Now the challenge will be to get proper rest and days off and not get caught up in the new freedom!

Way to go!

ive heard many reports of proper deadlifts and proper sldl beinfeting people with their lower back pains

Originally Posted by Ben dur

ive heard many reports of proper deadlifts and proper sldl beinfeting people with their lower back pains

I can tell you from personal experience that this is absolutely true.

Two Hrs for a back work out is overkill? Are you guys kidding me? When you guys get to be my age, your perspective on many things change, and you realize that every day is a gift, so seize the moment, and go for it with all the Intensity you can muster!!! Oh Hell I know I over train, and I don`t care, last week I DL`d 3 times. Tues, Thurs, & Friday, and had absolutely great pulling sessions! To top it off on Sat, went heavy on Barbell rows, and one arm dumbbell rows,( 150 pounders for sets of 6 reps), been doing this kinda stuff for years! You dudes gotta remember I`m an old Ohio State Buckeye, which means I`m probably alittle nuts. Some of you guys need to pin your ears back and flat out go for it!
Good Training to all of you.
I enjoy the interaction on the forum.
Big Back 51

Originally Posted by bigback51

Two Hrs for a back work out is overkill? Are you guys kidding me? When you guys get to be my age, your perspective on many things change, and you realize that every day is a gift, so seize the moment, and go for it with all the Intensity you can muster!!! Oh Hell I know I over train, and I don`t care, last week I DL`d 3 times. Tues, Thurs, & Friday, and had absolutely great pulling sessions! To top it off on Sat, went heavy on Barbell rows, and one arm dumbbell rows,( 150 pounders for sets of 6 reps), been doing this kinda stuff for years! You dudes gotta remember I`m an old Ohio State Buckeye, which means I`m probably alittle nuts. Some of you guys need to pin your ears back and flat out go for it!
Good Training to all of you.
I enjoy the interaction on the forum.
Big Back 51

today i did my entire back routine in 40 minutes
i think that "every day is a gift" is a good reason to spend LESS time in the gym

not every waking hour of every day

make a routine
and stick to it

work out with intensity
put out full effort

then get the hell out of the gym
and stop flirting with the chick at the counter
or flapping your jaw with all the other douchbags standing around

it gets crowded
and there is no need to workout something for 2 hours that you just worked out for 2 hours the night before

Originally Posted by bigback51

Two Hrs for a back work out is overkill? Are you guys kidding me? When you guys get to be my age, your perspective on many things change, and you realize that every day is a gift, so seize the moment, and go for it with all the Intensity you can muster!!! Oh Hell I know I over train, and I don`t care, last week I DL`d 3 times. Tues, Thurs, & Friday, and had absolutely great pulling sessions! To top it off on Sat, went heavy on Barbell rows, and one arm dumbbell rows,( 150 pounders for sets of 6 reps), been doing this kinda stuff for years! You dudes gotta remember I`m an old Ohio State Buckeye, which means I`m probably alittle nuts. Some of you guys need to pin your ears back and flat out go for it!
Good Training to all of you.
I enjoy the interaction on the forum.
Big Back 51

While I agree that people should sometimes pin their ears back and train hard that doesn't mean they should be working out for two hours. Focus all of that two hours of intensity in to one hour and see how it goes. I know when I am seriously doing deads I could not physically complete them 3 times per week. Sure if my intensity is not totally to the max then i could do it, but if I am working out at full intensity there is now way I could do deads 3 times a week.

Besides, I train to improve physically (strength and physical appearance) and working my muscles two hours a day does not seem to do much for me in either category

Originally Posted by bigback51

Two Hrs for a back work out is overkill? Are you guys kidding me? When you guys get to be my age, your perspective on many things change, and you realize that every day is a gift, so seize the moment, and go for it with all the Intensity you can muster!!! Oh Hell I know I over train, and I don`t care, last week I DL`d 3 times. Tues, Thurs, & Friday, and had absolutely great pulling sessions! To top it off on Sat, went heavy on Barbell rows, and one arm dumbbell rows,( 150 pounders for sets of 6 reps), been doing this kinda stuff for years! You dudes gotta remember I`m an old Ohio State Buckeye, which means I`m probably alittle nuts. Some of you guys need to pin your ears back and flat out go for it!
Good Training to all of you.I enjoy the interaction on the forum.
Big Back 51

BigBack if training 2 hours a day puts a smile on your face, knock yourself out. Each to their own. Your completely right, I also treat everyday as if its my last. Which is why I dont like to spend a minute extra than I have to in the gym. To be honest I fucking hate the gym, im always surrounded by 30 pricks doing bicep curls, or worse, using the squat rake to do upright rows. I go in, I train heavy and I train hard, then im out.

Basically I train to give optimum results, not so much for pleasure. Besides, if you cant hit a muscle group in 8 sets your not training hard enough.

Moondog, workhard1, you guys are all right. You can take the boy outa the country, but you can`t take the country outa the boy. As for you Mr Ben Dur I`ve been training longer, AND HARDER, then you`ve been on this planet. Teach me something I don`t know, versus knock what I`m doing.
Big Back 51

haha

whatever makes you feel better about it...

maybe youve been training longer
and maybe you train LONGER

but i seriously doubt you train "harder"

and i would certainly say (by your statement) your training isnt "smarter"

good luck reaching your goals
i will not get into a pissing contest with you online

40 minute back workout? Thats a joke
Big Back 51

=)

Benjamin William

Originally Posted by bigback51

40 minute back workout? Thats a joke
Big Back 51

Im not picking sides, but a 40min back workout is far from a joke.