PH newb stack help

**njmuscles** · 03-25-2009, 09:43 PM

Hey guys, new to the forum but not the gym community. Quick background Im 25, been lifting for about 7years and am currently looking to hopefully take my body to the next stage. "Legal" PHs are what Im looking to be involved with first off.

My main concerns are acne and hairloss. For the record I have great skin and if any pimples at all very few on my back and shoulders (if at all).
I do suffer from MPB unfortunately but am combating that with Finasteride (propecia) and Rogaine. To fill some in who arent familiar, Finasteride basically combats DHT. So the more conversion to DHT of my stack the more the Propecia is going to have to fight and the less chance it stands. Im looking for the least DHT conversion stack! Correct right? lol

Anyone have any pointers? Id really like someone informative to help me along. I understand PCT and was thinking of using 6-oxo for that stage. Also know that if gyno is to appear present, nolva is the best thing to take immediately. Although I now found it thats illegal so, whats the next best thing if any thats legal? Im looking for nothing crazy extreme and am only looking to do one full cycle
(1 bottle worth). Reason being Ive been stuck for a while where I am and really want to break through a little faster/easier, especially just before summer!

**sendit08** · 03-25-2009, 11:51 PM

1-Andro RX

**njmuscles** · 03-26-2009, 12:28 AM

I dont understand what your referring to? You linked me to a thread Im already active in lol If its 1-andro rx your referring to Im am very interested in this product pending others results and a few questions I have about conversion rate and side effects of this particular PH

Its my first time using PH and I dont wanna go swallowing anything someone recommends. Id really like some extensive research/results/insight etc... More I know the better

**sendit08** · 03-26-2009, 12:35 AM

sorry buddy... I didnt even check the name and was just reading that thread before this one and thought it would help.

my mistake!

**njmuscles** · 03-26-2009, 12:40 AM

Totally cool. Thanks for the reply regardless!
But Im absolutely interested in the new product Prince is reppin.

1-andro I believe is the highest form of PH you can take as it converts to 1-testosterone which is strongest of all. So therefore wouldnt that create more possiblity of conversion to DHT?
Im just confused as to what follows it guys.
The 3b-ol, 17-one

**Prince** · 03-26-2009, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by njmuscles

Totally cool. Thanks for the reply regardless!
But Im absolutely interested in the new product Prince is reppin.

1-andro I believe is the highest form of PH you can take as it converts to 1-testosterone which is strongest of all. So therefore wouldnt that create more possiblity of conversion to DHT?
Im just confused as to what follows it guys.
The 3b-ol, 17-one

I am starting to feel like a broken record!

1-Andro does NOT convert to estrogen or DHT.

**Hench** · 03-26-2009, 09:51 AM

If you dont mind me asking Prince, how have the sales been?

**Prince** · 03-26-2009, 09:59 AM

good, 1-Andro Rx will be available at Bodybuilding.com very soon!!!

**njmuscles** · 03-26-2009, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Prince

I am starting to feel like a broken record!

1-Andro does NOT convert to estrogen or DHT.

So the bottle says yes but, so do alot of things to attract someone in. I am in no way doubting your product I would just like if you or someone else could elaborate as to how thats possible. Like I said Im new to the PH scene and now going to just go taking things cause people says its ok. I want some sound advice and air tight info so I can see for myself with factual information.

**njmuscles** · 03-26-2009, 11:25 AM

Just seen your post Prince in another thread regarding estrogen. "Androstenedione was banned in 2004, it converted to testosterone and could also convert to estrogen, 1-Andro converts to 1-Testosterone and does not convert to estrogen."

Which makes perfect sense. Now how does 1-andro rx apply to DHT? Is that where the
3-bol,17-one comes in?

**Prince** · 03-26-2009, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by njmuscles

Just seen your post Prince in another thread regarding estrogen. "Androstenedione was banned in 2004, it converted to testosterone and could also convert to estrogen, 1-Andro converts to 1-Testosterone and does not convert to estrogen."

Which makes perfect sense. Now how does 1-andro rx apply to DHT? Is that where the
3-bol,17-one comes in?

1-Andro does not convert to DHT either, however 1-Testosterone does have androgenic side effects.

The reason I chose this compound is because I believe it to be one of the most effective PH's that are still legal, it's not a methyl so no liver toxicity, and the fact that it does not convert to estrogen/DHT makes it a very safe and effective compound.

**PainandGain** · 03-26-2009, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Prince

1-Andro does not convert to DHT either, however 1-Testosterone does have androgenic side effects.

The reason I chose this compound is because I believe it to be one of the most effective PH's that are still legal, it's not a methyl so no liver toxicity, and the fact that it does not convert to estrogen/DHT makes it a very safe and effective compound.

Prince, would this:
Anabolic Innovations Post Cycle Support

be a good PCT? should I couple a cortisol blocker with it?

**njmuscles** · 03-26-2009, 04:37 PM

This coming from your "Know everything PH thread" Prince. Looks to be good news for estrogen concerns but not DHT.

The strong anabolic properties of 1-testosterone have been established in the literature. Research conducted in the 60's found that 1-testosterone had a myotrophic (anabolic) potency of 200 as compared to 26 for testosterone, making it over 7 times as anabolic. This was done using the rat levator ani assay, which is commonly used to test the anabolic potency of steroids. In addition to this, 1-testosterone and 1-AD are both unable to aromatize to estrogen. Hence these substances cause very significant increases in muscle size and strength with about the androgenic potential of testosterone and almost no estrogenic side effects (water retention, fat gain, gynecomastia).

However, 1-testosterone use is not without side effects. The side effects that can be primarily expected from 1-testosterone are androgenic, similar to the side effects of DHT prohormones but not as severe. These include hair loss, acne, and an increased risk of benign prostate hypertrophy (BPH) (although there is much debate concerning the latter subject). Finasteride (propecia, proscar) cannot be expected to reduce these side effects, as 1-testosterone converts to DHT through a pathway other than 5alpha-reduction. 1-testosterone causes prostate growth in castrated rats equal to that of testosterone; unfortunately this is not a good model for BPH. Those wishing to avoid androgenic side effects should steer clear of 1-AD and 1-testosterone and instead opt for a 19-nor prohormone

**njmuscles** · 03-26-2009, 04:38 PM

Am I lost here or not understanding something? Im starting to feel I sound like a broken record.

If 1-AD converts to 1-testosterone, please tell me how 1-ad rx "does not" allow conversion to DHT if its in the writing above along with the studies!

**PainandGain** · 03-26-2009, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by PainandGain

Prince, would this:
Anabolic Innovations Post Cycle Support

be a good PCT? should I couple a cortisol blocker with it?

bump

**OuiSwim** · 03-26-2009, 08:11 PM

We are all thinking it, so I'll say it..

What does a ProHormone do? In laymens terms please, as I'm an uneducated child.

**njmuscles** · 03-27-2009, 11:01 AM

bump for post #13 and 14

looks to me as 19nor-4ad is something more along my lines. Although i looks as if 19-nor is no longer legal? :/

**jwalk127** · 03-27-2009, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by OuiSwim

We are all thinking it, so I'll say it..

What does a ProHormone do? In laymens terms please, as I'm an uneducated child.

aren't u takin d-bol?

**plums_jp** · 03-27-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by jwalk127

aren't u takin d-bol?

LOL i hope he aint takin d-bol... boy will be a monster

**nni** · 03-27-2009, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by OuiSwim

We are all thinking it, so I'll say it..

What does a ProHormone do? In laymens terms please, as I'm an uneducated child.

a prohormone is not active until it hits your system and is converted into an active hormone. at that point it behaves in your system as a steroid would.

**OuiSwim** · 03-27-2009, 10:38 PM

Ya I'm taking Dianabol + Clomid.
I know the general idea of what they do, but the actual chemical reactions that take place still put me on my ass going like this

**plums_jp** · 03-28-2009, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by OuiSwim

Ya I'm taking Dianabol + Clomid.
I know the general idea of what they do, but the actual chemical reactions that take place still put me on my ass going like this

IS THIS FOR REAL..??? your 17 and with your lack of knowledge youre taking d-bol...yikes i hope for your sake its the legalsteroids.com shit lol...

**njmuscles** · 03-28-2009, 11:35 PM

anyone have anything to add about 4-ad???

**Mags** · 03-29-2009, 04:50 AM

I had awesome results with 1-T and H-drol. From my personal experience, I'd definitely recommend those - even the H-drol by itself. I suffer from MPB, but I didn't have any hair loss with these (the 1-T was only used for 4 weeks and the H-drol isn't that harsh). If anything, I think there was a bit of regrowth (I incidently began using 5% Minoxidil at at the same time I began the cycle). However, the H-drol will be toxic to your liver. I also began getting bad acne during the last week of the cycle and for the week after I came off. Regardless of that, though, this was an extremely effective product/stack.

That's based on my experience. I have no experience with 1-Andro-RX. However, this compound seems really promising and well worth a look. I'm thinking about giving it a try later in the year if its trials are positive.

**njmuscles** · 03-31-2009, 02:29 PM

I just recently started looking into Epistane Mags. As it seems very effective with little side effects. Dont need to stack it with anything to see results. Just need a good cycle support with a minor PCT since Im thinking of doing the Pulse cycle! 2weeks on 2weeks off for a rough idea

**njmuscles** · 03-31-2009, 06:22 PM

Now I read someone has cycled both EPI well actually Havoc on its own and H-Drol on its own and said the H-drol was more effective and didnt bother the hair at all but the EPI did bother the hair. My head is spinning lol

Just read your log btw Mags, lookin good bud! Im starting to read more and more about H-drol and am gaining more interest the more I read!

It looks to be that EPI and Havoc are not the same as everyone keeps saying they are.

EPI- 2,3a-Epithio-17a-Methyletioallocholan-17b-Ol Which looks to not have any DHT conversion.

Havoc-2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol It looks to be that it will not be DHT friendly as it contains 5AAS which converts to DHT I believe??

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