Malto/Dex

**T_man** · 04-25-2009, 08:12 AM

Are they really necessary pwo to build muscle, or is the difference between them and a normal protein shake very marginal??

I've read alot and I thought I'd ask here because I can't make up my mind. Would it be better to just use a banana instead?

**snake eater** · 04-25-2009, 09:58 AM

well i don't know much about this but i think shakes provide more protein.
but i recommend the healthy foods which are enriched with protein vitamins and other nutrition.

**nni** · 04-25-2009, 02:38 PM

post workout, ideally you want protein and a carb to spike insulin. malto or dextrose is just a cheap way to do this. are they necessary, no, but easy and effective. get gatorade powder and it will do that same.

**Built** · 04-25-2009, 02:51 PM

Dextrose is sold very cheaply as "corn sugar", used in wine and beer making. I buy it at Superstore for about five dollars for 5 lbs (2.2kg)

Gatorade powder is fine, but the liquid gatoraid has fructose in it for some weird reason. Avoid it.

**T_man** · 04-25-2009, 03:31 PM

See I read an article which stated that the whey itself is enough to give an insulin spike.
However, what I've read is that the malto/dex is used to actually replenish glycogen stores. Is it important to replenish gylcogen stores using a high GI carb for muscle building or is the glycogen replenishment via a high GI carb primarily for energy & performance?

**Built** · 04-25-2009, 03:37 PM

Glycogen will be replenished over the hours and days after your workout - that part's not acute.

The big deal post workout is just to get the protein into the muscles. Milk proteins are actually quite insulinemic, so you're correct, you will get an insulin response from just whey (it won't be a profound "spike", but it'll come up). The deal with insulin is that it's a storage hormone - storing protein, carb, anything that's handy really) in your muscles post workout. The other deal is that insulin blunts cortisol.

Does this help?

**T_man** · 04-25-2009, 04:36 PM

Will the whey insulin spike be enough to blunt cortisol??
I read also that carbs pwo blunt GH. This might just be speculative tho.

And that's exactly why it's a problem built; it's a storage hormone. If the protein will get to my muscles well enough without carbs then I won't use the carbs. Since I started taking malto pwo I've put on a bit of belly fat and I want to just build a bit of lean muscle atm before going on to cut in june.

**Built** · 04-25-2009, 06:34 PM

Post workout carbs do indeed blunt GH. That's not all that big of a deal, when you consider that starving, dehydrating and freezing STIMULATE GH. Nobody's gonna starve to get huge.

You don't need the malto. If you can't afford the calories, don't bother with it. Or use it but cut back somewhere else.

**T_man** · 04-26-2009, 04:15 AM

I don't think it's the calories but rather because I have a pre-workout meal with sufficient carbs & protein, so when I pwo spike they all get shuttled to muslce cells, which the glycogen might not have been depleted so instead they go to adipose tissue

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I'm hungry right now. Maybe if I drink some alcohol and get into a freezer in my boxers i'll come out looking something like big ron

**Built** · 04-26-2009, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by T_man

I'm hungry right now. Maybe if I drink some alcohol and get into a freezer in my boxers i'll come out looking something like big ron

I like it! What will we call it - the "Drunk in Winnipeg Winter Workout"! We'll make MILLIONS!!!

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