Supps For Keeping Fat Off During Bulk?

Nate K · 05-04-2009, 05:48 PM

After this cut I think I'll use sesamin, rk- 125 (rasberry ketones), and maybe lean green (green tea extract).

Anyone you have experience with or opinions on these NOT during a cut...thanks.

**Built** · 05-04-2009, 08:06 PM

Sesamin appears to be a very good bet. The others ... hmmm... you basically want to avoid anything that works by enhancing insulin resistance.

On a cut, insulin resistance is GOOD because it spares muscle, but on a bulk it's BAD because it promotes fat gain.

This may rule out green tea. Not sure on the ketones.

Obviously creatine will be good, since it may enhance reglycogenation.

Perhaps ALA? And weirdly enough, a small amount of activity after you eat carbs - movement promotes translocation of GLUT-4 while reducing insulin output. This may be a very good thing to look for on a bulk - so for example, train, then sip your post workout shake while you're on the treadmill. Go home and eat, then clean the bathroom or go for a walk.

**nni** · 05-04-2009, 09:20 PM

lean xtreme is excellent for this.

**Built** · 05-04-2009, 10:46 PM

nni, how does it work to do this? Most fat loss supplements work, at least in part, by promoting insulin resistance. EC and clen both do this, as does caffeine by itself. GH does this also.

Nate K · 05-04-2009, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Sesamin appears to be a very good bet. The others ... hmmm... you basically want to avoid anything that works by enhancing insulin resistance.

On a cut, insulin resistance is GOOD because it spares muscle, but on a bulk it's BAD because it promotes fat gain.

This may rule out green tea. Not sure on the ketones.

Obviously creatine will be good, since it may enhance reglycogenation.

Perhaps ALA? And weirdly enough, a small amount of activity after you eat carbs - movement promotes translocation of GLUT-4 while reducing insulin output. This may be a very good thing to look for on a bulk - so for example, train, then sip your post workout shake while you're on the treadmill. Go home and eat, then clean the bathroom or go for a walk.

thanks, yay i'll keep the green tea and ketones for cutting...I don't really need my metabolism to be higher while bulking. ALA or r-ala I take somewhat regularly and forgot to mention.

Nate K · 05-04-2009, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nni

lean xtreme is excellent for this.

Would a lower dosage such as 1 cap 2 or 3 times per day if I decided to try it out during a calorie surplus?

Amino89 · 05-04-2009, 11:21 PM

Checkout Glycobol it's a great nutrient partitioner.

Nate K · 05-04-2009, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nni

lean xtreme is excellent for this.

Does the current lean xtreme solely contain 7-OH and is this promoted as having similar effects but more effective than 7-oxo dhea?

**Built** · 05-04-2009, 11:23 PM

Nate, I cannot strongly enough emphasize the significance of modest postprandial activity as a partitioning aid. I had long believed the ensuing reduction in blood sugar was due to it being "burned off" by the activity. It isn't, at least not to any appreciable degree - what's happening is increased glucose transport to the muscles. In other words, it can actually enhance partitioning. Try it.

Nate K · 05-04-2009, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amino89

Checkout Glycobol it's a great nutrient partitioner.

Ok, i will.

I don't trust it fenugreek and all

Nate K · 05-04-2009, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Nate, I cannot strongly enough emphasize the significance of modest postprandial activity as a partitioning aid. I had long believed the ensuing reduction in blood sugar was due to it being "burned off" by the activity. It isn't, at least not to any appreciable degree - what's happening is increased glucose transport to the muscles. In other words, it can actually enhance partitioning. Try it.

I believe it. I will keep this in mind. thanks
I like the simple G-flux idea, this reminded me of.

chronicelite · 05-05-2009, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Go home and eat, then clean the bathroom or go for a walk.

LOL!!! Clean the bathroom!?!??!?! HAHAHAHAHA!!! That's a good one!

tatteredsaint · 05-05-2009, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate K

After this cut I think I'll use sesamin, rk- 125 (rasberry ketones), and maybe lean green (green tea extract).

Anyone you have experience with or opinions on these NOT during a cut...thanks.

sesamin works good I used it for 2 months and leaned out quite a bit , I also like CLA

**nni** · 05-05-2009, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

nni, how does it work to do this? Most fat loss supplements work, at least in part, by promoting insulin resistance. EC and clen both do this, as does caffeine by itself. GH does this also.

lean xtreme is a cortisol control product. it will supress cortisol and work with the thyroid. we did a set of logs for bulks and it works great. it is best served on a cut or a recomp style (burn fat gain muscle actually happened), but it does well in a bulk as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate K

Would a lower dosage such as 1 cap 2 or 3 times per day if I decided to try it out during a calorie surplus?

i would do 2 a day, drop the pm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate K

Does the current lean xtreme solely contain 7-OH and is this promoted as having similar effects but more effective than 7-oxo dhea?

current lean xtreme is more than simply 7-OH...

Green Tea Extract (50% EGCG), Coleus Forskohlii (40% Forskolin), Phosphatidylserine 45%, 5-AT (5-Etioallocholen-3b,7b,17b-Triol), 7-OH (3b,7-Dihydroxy-5-Etioallocholen-17-One)

it is excellent.

ironman4 · 05-05-2009, 02:46 PM

I can certainly vouch for sesamin

tastes great too

Amino89 · 05-05-2009, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate K

Ok, i will.

I don't trust it fenugreek and all

What don't you like about fenugreek?

Whatsaroid? · 05-05-2009, 05:33 PM

My suggestion would be Essence EFA, RK as you mentioned and lean xtreme sounds great I like the Coleus Forskohlii inside of it.

I'm currently on TTA, RK, Coleus Forskohlii and will be adding Essence EFA to my stack.

Jag · 05-24-2009, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Nate, I cannot strongly enough emphasize the significance of modest postprandial activity as a partitioning aid. I had long believed the ensuing reduction in blood sugar was due to it being "burned off" by the activity. It isn't, at least not to any appreciable degree - what's happening is increased glucose transport to the muscles. In other words, it can actually enhance partitioning. Try it.

Built, i'd understand if it's a hassle but could you expand on "postprandial activity" a bit. I've never heard of this but i know i'd find it interesting!!!

Thanks.

danzik17 · 05-24-2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jag

Built, i'd understand if it's a hassle but could you expand on "postprandial activity" a bit. I've never heard of this but i know i'd find it interesting!!!

Thanks.

It means go for a walk after eating. Do some house cleaning. Basically do ANYTHING but sit on your ass. It will help shuttle the glycogen into your muscles.

**Built** · 05-25-2009, 12:28 AM

Yessssss!

chronicelite · 05-27-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danzik17

It means go for a walk after eating. Do some house cleaning. Basically do ANYTHING but sit on your ass. It will help shuttle the glycogen into your muscles.

Wow, I was always told to sit and let your food digest LOL !
Very good information here

**Built** · 05-27-2009, 11:41 PM

Not vigorous activity, just modest activity.

DIVINITUS · 05-28-2009, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Sesamin appears to be a very good bet. The others ... hmmm... you basically want to avoid anything that works by enhancing insulin resistance.

On a cut, insulin resistance is GOOD because it spares muscle, but on a bulk it's BAD because it promotes fat gain.

This may rule out green tea. Not sure on the ketones.

Obviously creatine will be good, since it may enhance reglycogenation.

Perhaps ALA? And weirdly enough, a small amount of activity after you eat carbs - movement promotes translocation of GLUT-4 while reducing insulin output. This may be a very good thing to look for on a bulk - so for example, train, then sip your post workout shake while you're on the treadmill. Go home and eat, then clean the bathroom or go for a walk.

Built, what would be the effects of drinking 1-2 cups of Green Tea a day? I am trying to cleanly bulk, with as little fat gain as possible, maybe even lose a bit as I'm clearly over 10% body fat. I don't like the idea of not drinkin the tea as I have read alot on the overall health benefits, your take?

**Built** · 05-28-2009, 11:57 PM

You're fine.

I don't think I'd be looking to supplement with capsules of it while cutting, but there may be very good reasons to do this anyway.

If you're looking to lose, you can't gain. Not sure what to offer you here. Maybe a slow recomp? UD2.0 at maintenance maybe?

DIVINITUS · 05-29-2009, 11:10 PM

Does that hold true though for someone who is 14-18% BF? I always thought the general rule for a male was muscle building (naturally) was attainable over 10%bf or so if the diet was right. As in, if someone was 20%, I thought they could continue to build muscle while losing fat as long as the fat didn't dip below 10% or so... am I an idiot?

I guess I just need to make up my mind...I just HATE the idea of busting my ass in the gym with heavy weights (even with lower volume) and not getting much stronger, just leaner. On the flip side, I would love to look better with my shirt off, but I am the type of guy that likes to feel gains in the gym every time I set foot in there (i know that's not the case, but I think you feel me).

05-04-2009, 05:48 PM	#1
Nate K Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,739 Photos: 3	Supps For Keeping Fat Off During Bulk? After this cut I think I'll use sesamin, rk- 125 (rasberry ketones), and maybe lean green (green tea extract). Anyone you have experience with or opinions on these NOT during a cut...thanks.

05-04-2009, 08:06 PM	#2
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,113	Sesamin appears to be a very good bet. The others ... hmmm... you basically want to avoid anything that works by enhancing insulin resistance. On a cut, insulin resistance is GOOD because it spares muscle, but on a bulk it's BAD because it promotes fat gain. This may rule out green tea. Not sure on the ketones. Obviously creatine will be good, since it may enhance reglycogenation. Perhaps ALA? And weirdly enough, a small amount of activity after you eat carbs - movement promotes translocation of GLUT-4 while reducing insulin output. This may be a very good thing to look for on a bulk - so for example, train, then sip your post workout shake while you're on the treadmill. Go home and eat, then clean the bathroom or go for a walk. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

05-04-2009, 09:20 PM	#3
nni Driven Sports Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: . Posts: 1,665	lean xtreme is excellent for this. www.getds.com www.drivensports.co.uk

05-04-2009, 10:46 PM	#4
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,113	nni, how does it work to do this? Most fat loss supplements work, at least in part, by promoting insulin resistance. EC and clen both do this, as does caffeine by itself. GH does this also. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

05-04-2009, 11:21 PM	#7
Amino89 Anabolic Innovations/HCFs Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 391	Checkout Glycobol it's a great nutrient partitioner. Anabolic Innovations/ HCF's Representative

05-04-2009, 11:23 PM	#9
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,113	Nate, I cannot strongly enough emphasize the significance of modest postprandial activity as a partitioning aid. I had long believed the ensuing reduction in blood sugar was due to it being "burned off" by the activity. It isn't, at least not to any appreciable degree - what's happening is increased glucose transport to the muscles. In other words, it can actually enhance partitioning. Try it. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

05-05-2009, 02:46 PM	#15
ironman4 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: UK Posts: 34	I can certainly vouch for sesamin tastes great too

05-05-2009, 05:33 PM	#17
Whatsaroid? IronMagLabs Rep Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Santa Monica Ca Posts: 163 Photos: 3	My suggestion would be Essence EFA, RK as you mentioned and lean xtreme sounds great I like the Coleus Forskohlii inside of it. I'm currently on TTA, RK, Coleus Forskohlii and will be adding Essence EFA to my stack. IRONMAGLABS INC. www.IronMagLabs.com Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders; By Bodybuilders! Best Quote "You have two choices in life: you can stay single and be miserable, or get married...and wish you were dead." - W.W. Renwick

05-25-2009, 12:28 AM	#20
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,113	Yessssss! Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

05-27-2009, 11:41 PM	#22
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,113	Not vigorous activity, just modest activity. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

05-28-2009, 11:57 PM	#24
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,113	You're fine. I don't think I'd be looking to supplement with capsules of it while cutting, but there may be very good reasons to do this anyway. If you're looking to lose, you can't gain. Not sure what to offer you here. Maybe a slow recomp? UD2.0 at maintenance maybe? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

05-29-2009, 11:10 PM	#25
DIVINITUS It's a deep burn... Join Date: May 2003 Location: Homebase somewhere in MA Posts: 182	Does that hold true though for someone who is 14-18% BF? I always thought the general rule for a male was muscle building (naturally) was attainable over 10%bf or so if the diet was right. As in, if someone was 20%, I thought they could continue to build muscle while losing fat as long as the fat didn't dip below 10% or so... am I an idiot? I guess I just need to make up my mind...I just HATE the idea of busting my ass in the gym with heavy weights (even with lower volume) and not getting much stronger, just leaner. On the flip side, I would love to look better with my shirt off, but I am the type of guy that likes to feel gains in the gym every time I set foot in there (i know that's not the case, but I think you feel me). "Can you please just shut the fuck up? You're blocking what could otherwise be a good thread discussion. No one cares about your shit " Juggernaut

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