Test. boosters

jhawkin1 · 05-09-2009, 08:17 AM

I hate to ask questions that come from word of mouth, because most things we hear these days is totally false or just silly, but I thought I probably should ask just to be certain: I am taking a testosterone booster (non-steroidal) called activate extreme. When one takes a test. booster, then stops the daily regime- is it harder at that time for the body to make testosterone once one has stopped taking the suppl. to promote testosterone?

Confusing, I know! I apologize- and again it may be an awful question, but if this is indeed true, I think I'm in trouble!

egodog48 · 05-09-2009, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhawkin1

I hate to ask questions that come from word of mouth, because most things we hear these days is totally false or just silly, but I thought I probably should ask just to be certain: I am taking a testosterone booster (non-steroidal) called activate extreme. When one takes a test. booster, then stops the daily regime- is it harder at that time for the body to make testosterone once one has stopped taking the suppl. to promote testosterone?

Confusing, I know! I apologize- and again it may be an awful question, but if this is indeed true, I think I'm in trouble!

I typically recommend cycling even test boosters although you will NOT have the same problem as you would with a ph/des/aas. I do it merely so my body will not get adapted to getting any product, especially when it come to hormonal levels.

Are you experiencing some issues? Since Activate Xtreme is such a good product, perhaps you are now realizing what is like to not have it in your system again, even though its not actually adversely effecting you. The one thing I do hear about Activate Extreme though, is that even though it does increase free test, it actually decreases total test slightly. Some would say this makes it slightly suppresive towards your own test, but I would not imagine that it would be anything to worry about for any length of time. You should normalize soon. If not, I would suggest picking up a different test booster to help out, one that doesnt act the same way that Activate Xtreme does, or maybe some ZMA. There are plenty out there. I think ironmag has one that looks promising. But like I said, I dont think you really need it.

jhawkin1 · 05-09-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by egodog48

I typically recommend cycling even test boosters although you will NOT have the same problem as you would with a ph/des/aas. I do it merely so my body will not get adapted to getting any product, especially when it come to hormonal levels.

Are you experiencing some issues? Since Activate Xtreme is such a good product, perhaps you are now realizing what is like to not have it in your system again, even though its not actually adversely effecting you. The one thing I do hear about Activate Extreme though, is that even though it does increase free test, it actually decreases total test slightly. Some would say this makes it slightly suppresive towards your own test, but I would not imagine that it would be anything to worry about for any length of time. You should normalize soon. If not, I would suggest picking up a different test booster to help out, one that doesnt act the same way that Activate Xtreme does, or maybe some ZMA. There are plenty out there. I think ironmag has one that looks promising. But like I said, I dont think you really need it.

I am currently on my second set of 4-week cycle. It recommends discontinuing after 8-weeks. So I will go another month or so then come off of it.

I would like to try iron mags product- but does it have any steroids in it?

**nni** · 05-09-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jhawkin1

I hate to ask questions that come from word of mouth, because most things we hear these days is totally false or just silly, but I thought I probably should ask just to be certain: I am taking a testosterone booster (non-steroidal) called activate extreme. When one takes a test. booster, then stops the daily regime- is it harder at that time for the body to make testosterone once one has stopped taking the suppl. to promote testosterone?

Confusing, I know! I apologize- and again it may be an awful question, but if this is indeed true, I think I'm in trouble!

no, once you finish a natural test booster, your body will return to baseline levels. what you are thinking of is steroids, at the completion of steroids, the body needs a little help getting back to normal. activate xtreme is a solid product.

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Originally Posted by egodog48

I typically recommend cycling even test boosters although you will NOT have the same problem as you would with a ph/des/aas. I do it merely so my body will not get adapted to getting any product, especially when it come to hormonal levels.

Are you experiencing some issues? Since Activate Xtreme is such a good product, perhaps you are now realizing what is like to not have it in your system again, even though its not actually adversely effecting you. The one thing I do hear about Activate Extreme though, is that even though it does increase free test, it actually decreases total test slightly. Some would say this makes it slightly suppresive towards your own test, but I would not imagine that it would be anything to worry about for any length of time. You should normalize soon. If not, I would suggest picking up a different test booster to help out, one that doesnt act the same way that Activate Xtreme does, or maybe some ZMA. There are plenty out there. I think ironmag has one that looks promising. But like I said, I dont think you really need it.

actX does not lower overall test in all users. one blood test showed a small drop and it became internet gospel. with a sharp rise in free test, total test levels might drop a bit, but with the formula of activate xtreme, total test should rise as well. divanil alone will have a drop in total test. either way, the drop is insignificant and shouldnt be of concern.

OP, we recommend no more than 8 weeks because if you are on a natural test booster for too long you will eventually fell negative feedback. it should take longer than 8 weeks, (it was like 14 or 16 for me), but 8 is a safe place to end. you will still feel the effects of actX for another 2 weeks post cycle anyway.

workingatit43 · 05-10-2009, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jhawkin1

I am currently on my second set of 4-week cycle. It recommends discontinuing after 8-weeks. So I will go another month or so then come off of it.

I would like to try iron mags product- but does it have any steroids in it?

Agreed that you should cycle them. We recommend on our Stoked product no more than 8 weeks without a month off. Activate Xtreme is a very good product enjoy.

Activate Xtreme

jhawkin1 · 05-10-2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

Agreed that you should cycle them. We recommend on our Stoked product no more than 8 weeks without a month off. Activate Xtreme is a very good product enjoy.

Activate Xtreme

It really does work! I love it, and I've also focused more on my diet during my cutting phase. My workouts have increased (weights) and physique looks very good as well.

You said 2 months on and recommended one month off?

I would love to continue to take this product for cut, bulk, and maintenance. I really recommend it.

AKIRA · 05-13-2009, 09:21 PM

I am not understanding this ZMA shit. I thought it was mythbusting a decade or so ago.

Now its for sleep and a test booster? I dont understand why 3 vitamins (or minerals) stimulates test or improves sleep...

Dodge · 05-13-2009, 09:46 PM

What benifits and (if any) sideeffects are assosiated with activate xtreme?

**nni** · 05-14-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

I am not understanding this ZMA shit. I thought it was mythbusting a decade or so ago.

Now its for sleep and a test booster? I dont understand why 3 vitamins (or minerals) stimulates test or improves sleep...

it doesnt boost test, and never did. people follow trends.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

What benifits and (if any) sideeffects are assosiated with activate xtreme?

benefits: increase in free test, increase in overall test, controlling of estrogen, increase in mood, increase in libido. strength increase and size increase are usually a result of the above.

as far as sides, im trying to think of some for you, but honestly there aren't really any. obviously some users aren't as happy as others, but nothing dangerous, or substantial comes to mind.

jhawkin1 · 05-14-2009, 07:23 PM

Side effects: some people have reported increased acne, but I have not seen anything too extreme in terms of acne.... THIS STUFF REALLY DOES WORK- im on my second cycle (2 pills 3x a day) and I am holding onto the majority of my muscle mass (currently cutting for summer), increasing weight in workouts, and of course, making sure to keep my proteins up, cals down.

**nni** · 05-14-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jhawkin1

Side effects: some people have reported increased acne, but I have not seen anything too extreme in terms of acne.... THIS STUFF REALLY DOES WORK- im on my second cycle (2 pills 3x a day) and I am holding onto the majority of my muscle mass (currently cutting for summer), increasing weight in workouts, and of course, making sure to keep my proteins up, cals down.

yes, acne. dont know why i couldnt think of it.

egodog48 · 05-14-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

it doesnt boost test, and never did. people follow trends.

You are entitled to that opinion, but results speak volumes. I have seen that this works for me, and thats good enough for me. I knew nothing about the "trend" when I first tried it, and I still had the results. This was almost six years ago

**Built** · 05-15-2009, 01:39 AM

Sides - nothing here. I ran it at a full dose and I'm female - didn't grow a third eyeball, didn't lower my voice or give me a beard.

Now, I'm on HRT anyway so there's a confound there. I didn't log it because I wasn't able to do a pre and post cycle blood test, but I felt stronger when I was on it. The effect was subtle, as if I had taken a bit too much of my testosterone transdermal, but it was there and I made strength gains.

To me, the bigger deal was to see if it can be used by women - for one very specific reason: women who are on oral contraceptives have a 400% increase in SHBG over normal levels, and while SHBG drops upon discontinuation, recent research shows that it may never drop down to normal.

If a product like ActivateXtreme can help us overcome the ensuing suppression of endogenous free testosterone, it might be a Godsend to women everywhere.

AKIRA · 05-15-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by nni

it doesnt boost test, and never did. people follow trends.

This is what I heard years ago, so i stayed away. However, in the recent threads on here, I read otherwise. I dont understand why it would increase test.

I also dont understand why it helps with sleep. Fucking 2 nights now and I am passing out.

**Robert D.** · 05-15-2009, 11:24 AM

IF you have a zinc deficiency ZMA will increase testosterone.

The connection between zinc and testosterone has been known for more than 15 years now. For example, in a study published back in 1982, kidney failure patients, who are typically zinc deficient, were supplemented with zinc for a period of six months, and their testosterone levels increased by 85%. (15) In a more recent study conducted in 1996 called "Zinc Status and Serum Testosterone Levels of Healthy Adults", the researchers found that 30 mg per day of zinc supplemented to the diets of healthy American men experiencing moderate zinc deficiencies doubled their testosterone levels in 6 months. (16)

Dodge · 05-15-2009, 12:05 PM

What happens if you use it for more than 8weeks?

**Robert D.** · 05-15-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dodge

What happens if you use it for more than 8weeks?

nothing, the only effect you will probably notice from ZMA is enhanced sleep.

Dodge · 05-15-2009, 12:29 PM

Oh right, ive read that you shouldnt cycle it for more that 8 weeks at a time and i couldnt find a reason why. If its not too expensive i might give it a try when i order my funds

**nni** · 05-15-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by egodog48

You are entitled to that opinion, but results speak volumes. I have seen that this works for me, and thats good enough for me. I knew nothing about the "trend" when I first tried it, and I still had the results. This was almost six years ago

its not an opinion, it is backed by science, which unfortunately zma's formulation was not.

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Originally Posted by Prince

IF you have a zinc deficiency ZMA will increase testosterone.

The connection between zinc and testosterone has been known for more than 15 years now. For example, in a study published back in 1982, kidney failure patients, who are typically zinc deficient, were supplemented with zinc for a period of six months, and their testosterone levels increased by 85%. (15) In a more recent study conducted in 1996 called "Zinc Status and Serum Testosterone Levels of Healthy Adults", the researchers found that 30 mg per day of zinc supplemented to the diets of healthy American men experiencing moderate zinc deficiencies doubled their testosterone levels in 6 months. (16)

a bodybuilder, or fitness enthusiast who is on a legitimate diet should never be zinc deficient, and on top of that they could simply just take zinc. there is nothing about the combination in zma that makes it special. just a random conte creation. he should have stuck to playing bass.

workingatit43 · 05-15-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jhawkin1

It really does work! I love it, and I've also focused more on my diet during my cutting phase. My workouts have increased (weights) and physique looks very good as well.

You said 2 months on and recommended one month off?

I would love to continue to take this product for cut, bulk, and maintenance. I really recommend it.

As a general rule of thumb they should be run no more than 8 weeks without taking a 30 day break.

**Robert D.** · 05-15-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by nni

a bodybuilder, or fitness enthusiast who is on a legitimate diet should never be zinc deficient, and on top of that they could simply just take zinc.

I never implied that they would be, I was just stating a fact, when ZMA was originally designed/tested it was those that had a zinc deficiency who increased their testosterone with ZMA.

egodog48 · 05-15-2009, 04:36 PM

In an ideal world I would never be deficient in anything. And this is all I will say about this, I am outnumbered and it is useless to argue this point anymore. I think one will just need to try it to see if it works for them, but would probably say it is highly dependant upon how hard and how frequent you actually train.

**nni** · 05-15-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by egodog48

In an ideal world I would never be deficient in anything. And this is all I will say about this, I am outnumbered and it is useless to argue this point anymore. I think one will just need to try it to see if it works for them, but would probably say it is highly dependant upon how hard and how frequent you actually train.

not my intention to come across as a dick, so if i did im sorry. i just very much feel that zma is more or less a scam, if it worked for you, great, but i would be willing to bet that something else played a role. either way you feel how you feel, me, how i feel.

**Built** · 05-15-2009, 07:00 PM

egodog, have you had a look at any of the research on ZMA? You may very well have been deficient in zinc. If you were, your test levels would indeed have come up. Also, since you tend to sleep better on ZMA (due to the magnesium), your better-rested state could also impact upon your gains in the gym. Insulin resistance is worse with chronic sleep deprivation - you'll partition better if you're better rested.

<extends olive branch on behalf of the mod team>

AKIRA · 05-15-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AKIRA

I also dont understand why it helps with sleep. Fucking 2 nights now and I am passing out.

<ahem>

egodog48 · 05-16-2009, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by nni

not my intention to come across as a dick, so if i did im sorry. i just very much feel that zma is more or less a scam, if it worked for you, great, but i would be willing to bet that something else played a role. either way you feel how you feel, me, how i feel.

Right on man. Just felt like Im getting called out, but I speak out of personal experience. I believe in the science of things, but it just works. Its cool, estrogen must be running high.

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Originally Posted by Built

egodog, have you had a look at any of the research on ZMA? You may very well have been deficient in zinc. If you were, your test levels would indeed have come up. Also, since you tend to sleep better on ZMA (due to the magnesium), your better-rested state could also impact upon your gains in the gym. Insulin resistance is worse with chronic sleep deprivation - you'll partition better if you're better rested.

<extends olive branch on behalf of the mod team>

I will say that my very BEST results off the product were in college while doing SERIOUS training almost 6-7 days a week. Perhaps this is why these studies were done with collegiate athletes and why my results would have probably been very similar. No joke, but my first experience was an already opened bottle that my buddy gave me, and in literally a week, I noticed results in the mirror. I was astounded! I think this is actually what got me into trying hormonal products as I was such a hard gainer.

Anyways, I do incorporate it to get better sleep for the most part, and I feel more anabolic while on it. I feel better too which is something I attribute to more test but suppose it could also be very much related to better sleep. This is not something I cycle with alot, but will say that I have incorporated into most all of my PCT's and feel that it adds a great bonus into any test stack out there. But I do agree with the research and the general consensus that unless you have a zinc deficiency, you probably will not yield those results, but then how do you know if you are low anyways?

jhawkin1 · 05-16-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by workingatit43

As a general rule of thumb they should be run no more than 8 weeks without taking a 30 day break.

Awesome- so a month. Sounds great!

**Built** · 05-16-2009, 12:49 PM

I suppose you could get a before and after blood test for your zinc and testosterone levels if you were truly curious.

I've had pretty much every blood test ever done - wonder if they often test for zinc deficiency?

AKIRA · 05-16-2009, 08:49 PM

Mother of christ..

WHY DOES IT MAKE ME SLEEPY ?

egodog48 · 05-17-2009, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Built

I suppose you could get a before and after blood test for your zinc and testosterone levels if you were truly curious.

I've had pretty much every blood test ever done - wonder if they often test for zinc deficiency?

Dont know? Maybe I will have that looked at next time.

Sorry to have taken things a bit off topic.

05-09-2009, 08:17 AM	#1
jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	Test. boosters I hate to ask questions that come from word of mouth, because most things we hear these days is totally false or just silly, but I thought I probably should ask just to be certain: I am taking a testosterone booster (non-steroidal) called activate extreme. When one takes a test. booster, then stops the daily regime- is it harder at that time for the body to make testosterone once one has stopped taking the suppl. to promote testosterone? Confusing, I know! I apologize- and again it may be an awful question, but if this is indeed true, I think I'm in trouble! Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

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AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,789 Photos: 3	I am not understanding this ZMA shit. I thought it was mythbusting a decade or so ago. Now its for sleep and a test booster? I dont understand why 3 vitamins (or minerals) stimulates test or improves sleep... 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

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jhawkin1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 496	Side effects: some people have reported increased acne, but I have not seen anything too extreme in terms of acne.... THIS STUFF REALLY DOES WORK- im on my second cycle (2 pills 3x a day) and I am holding onto the majority of my muscle mass (currently cutting for summer), increasing weight in workouts, and of course, making sure to keep my proteins up, cals down. Goal: 8% Body Fat, maintain majority of muscle mass New Years Resolution: Build up my lower body

05-15-2009, 01:39 AM	#13
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	Sides - nothing here. I ran it at a full dose and I'm female - didn't grow a third eyeball, didn't lower my voice or give me a beard. Now, I'm on HRT anyway so there's a confound there. I didn't log it because I wasn't able to do a pre and post cycle blood test, but I felt stronger when I was on it. The effect was subtle, as if I had taken a bit too much of my testosterone transdermal, but it was there and I made strength gains. To me, the bigger deal was to see if it can be used by women - for one very specific reason: women who are on oral contraceptives have a 400% increase in SHBG over normal levels, and while SHBG drops upon discontinuation, recent research shows that it may never drop down to normal. If a product like ActivateXtreme can help us overcome the ensuing suppression of endogenous free testosterone, it might be a Godsend to women everywhere. Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

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egodog48 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 356	In an ideal world I would never be deficient in anything. And this is all I will say about this, I am outnumbered and it is useless to argue this point anymore. I think one will just need to try it to see if it works for them, but would probably say it is highly dependant upon how hard and how frequent you actually train. PAL Rep My thoughts, views, and suggestions are purely that of my own and do not represent Palo Alto Labs.

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Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	egodog, have you had a look at any of the research on ZMA? You may very well have been deficient in zinc. If you were, your test levels would indeed have come up. Also, since you tend to sleep better on ZMA (due to the magnesium), your better-rested state could also impact upon your gains in the gym. Insulin resistance is worse with chronic sleep deprivation - you'll partition better if you're better rested. <extends olive branch on behalf of the mod team> Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

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Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 6,121	I suppose you could get a before and after blood test for your zinc and testosterone levels if you were truly curious. I've had pretty much every blood test ever done - wonder if they often test for zinc deficiency? Wondering where to start? Confused? This will get you started. Daredevils are Shredded Find out why... (Now you can find out why... in Hebrew!) UD2.Built - My UD2.0 setup.

05-16-2009, 08:49 PM	#29
AKIRA I am Rollo Tomassee.. Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Outside the box Posts: 8,789 Photos: 3	Mother of christ.. WHY DOES IT MAKE ME SLEEPY ? 6' 209lbs (8/16) Bench 365 (12/3) Weighted Pullups 80lbs 3x3 (3/19) Squat 370 Deadlift after herniation 385lbs 3x3 (3/17) NASM certified 2/06 Journal

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