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    I need to put on size without fat gain






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    age 39
    6' 3"
    203lbs
    10% body fat
    Taining for 20++years
    3 cycles completed
    test E / Deca / Sus / EQ 12weeks on then pct was nolvadex

    My diet is 3000 cal. and very clean
    I run 8 miles a week and do sprints a the track 2 times a week
    Weight train 5 days a week, Heavy weights 12 to 15reps


    Goal weight 220lbs lean

    current gear

    test e / deca / 15 amps / sus 250 / EQ

    need some pct gear.

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    Raise calories slowly and carefully then.

    People who bulk by adding 2000+ calories over maintenance, end up eating garbage to try and be able to keep up with their new "diet." This is where the fat gains come from.

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    need some help planning


    500mg test E 2x a week
    250mg deca 1x a week for my joints
    300mg eq 2x a week
    sus250 1amp per week
    12 weeks on

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    Sorry but if you want to gain muscle you will have to accept you will gain a little bodyfat and fluid with it therwise you will just restrict your results.

    I doubt very much you will gain anything on your current program. Your on fairly low caloric intake for your size and your also burning alot of calories with your intense cardio activities. Your body has no chance to rest, recover and grow.

    I would drop a training day and reduce your cardio activities.

    Remember you need to be in a calorie surplus to gain weight so you need to adjust you caloric intake to above mantainance and increase them as you gain muscle throughout your cycle.

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    If you are going to run both test e and sust together, I'd use the sust to front alongside of the test E. But as stated above, the biggest problem is your diet/caloric intake. Fix that before you do anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorZ06 View Post
    If you are going to run both test e and sust together, I'd use the sust to front alongside of the test E. But as stated above, the biggest problem is your diet/caloric intake. Fix that before you do anything else.

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    Ok for sure will up calories to 3500 than 4000

    Monday / Thursday - test E 250mg
    Wednesday - Deca 300mg

    Where should I put the sus 250 I only have 13 amps

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    Quote Originally Posted by turboflash View Post
    Ok for sure will up calories to 3500 than 4000

    Monday / Thursday - test E 250mg
    Wednesday - Deca 300mg

    Where should I put the sus 250 I only have 13 amps
    Might as well ad the Deca to your Monday or Thursday shot so you don't have to inject as much. You should see good results with this cycle if you stick with it for at least 12 weeks, ideally 16. I'd add HCG. What is your plan for post cycle therapy? I'd leave the sustanon out.
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    I need pct gear nolvadex is the plan.

    Ok I'll save the sustanon for next cycle

    I have 2 EQ 10ml Should I work that into my cycle I talk to a couple guys they said yes.

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    This is what I would suggest. I would use up all the sust to front with for the first 2 weeks, 3 if you want. Take 250mg 3X a week. (M/W/F)

    Mon/Thrs. shots:

    250mg test E (1-12) TOTAL 500mg
    200mg deca (1-10) TOTAL 400mg
    200mg EQ (1-10) TOTAL 400mg

    With this cycle, I would use both clomid and nolva for PCT.

    And as for your diet, more cals and protein. At 200 lbs. you should have not problem putting down 5-6K a day. Protein, 1.5-2gr per pound. Good luck!

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    Thanks , I'll give It a go.

    [QUOTE=VictorZ06;1909162]This is what I would suggest. I would use up all the sust to front with for the first 2 weeks, 3 if you want. Take 250mg 3X a week. (M/W/F)

    Mon/Thrs. shots:

    250mg test E (1-12) TOTAL 500mg
    200mg deca (1-10) TOTAL 400mg
    200mg EQ (1-10) TOTAL 400mg

    With this cycle, I would use both clomid and nolva for PCT.

    And as for your diet, more cals and protein. At 200 lbs. you should have not problem putting down 5-6K a day. Protein, 1.5-2gr per pound. Good luck!

    I only have 1 10ml bottle of Deca
    and 2 10ml of the EQ so may have to cut deca to 1 shot a week.
    Is that cool?
    Thanks

    Thanks I'll give it a go.

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    Also had some guys telling me not to put deca and eq in the same cycle because there the same kind of gear. What's your thoughts ?

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    You are trying to mix too many steroids here.

    I respectfully disagree with Victor. Adding that sustanon is overkill and may lead to health/emotional problems.

    There are a lot of adjustments one's body must make to accomodate hormone changes. Suddenly stacking that much test (even for just a few weeks) is a bad idea, in my opinion.

    Leave the EQ out.

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    1-12 Test E 500 mg/wk
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    Quote Originally Posted by turboflash View Post

    I only have 1 10ml bottle of Deca
    and 2 10ml of the EQ so may have to cut deca to 1 shot a week.
    Is that cool?
    Thanks
    What's the deca dosed at? (How many mg per ml?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pirate! View Post
    You are trying to mix too many steroids here.

    I respectfully disagree with Victor. Adding that sustanon is overkill and may lead to health/emotional problems.

    There are a lot of adjustments one's body must make to accomodate hormone changes. Suddenly stacking that much test (even for just a few weeks) is a bad idea, in my opinion.
    I know you are a fan of sust. I frown upon sustanon to begin with and in my opinion, it's only good for front loading (unless you use over 1gr/wk).

    Since he has it, might as well use it. Once his body shuts down and stops making it's own test, I don't think it matters all that much if he adds some sust to the front. If I thought it would cause him harm (more harm I should say), I wouldn't advise to do so. As you know, all of the sust doesn't start working right away. The added prop in the sust is really all we want from it. So I'm not sure if I would say he is "suddenly stacking that much", in the first few weeks, the test e hasn't kicked in yet, only the dbol. So in reality, the only things working are the dbol and prop from the sust. Than gradually the other esters start to kick in.

    He does not need it, I agree with that, especially since he is using dbol to front with as well. But if I had it, I'd toss it in...as if it was prop. IMHO.

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    Deca is 300mg per ML

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    Quote Originally Posted by turboflash View Post
    Deca is 300mg per ML
    Great, 300mg a week is the min I would use. So you have 10 weeks worth if you take 300mg a week.

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    sust to front with for the first 2 to 3 if you want. Take 250mg 3X a week. (M/W/F)

    Will I be only taken Sus first and then after its all gone start the test E, deca, eq or?

    Mon/Thrs. shots:

    250mg test E (1-12) TOTAL 500mg
    200mg deca (1-10) TOTAL 400mg
    200mg EQ (1-10) TOTAL 400mg

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    Like This:
    Tues/Friday
    250mg Sus (1-3)

    Mon/Thrs. shots:
    250mg test E (1-12) TOTAL 500mg
    200mg deca (1-10) TOTAL 400mg
    200mg EQ (1-10) TOTAL 400mg

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    No, take everything in the beginning together. Run the cycle as planned, but along side it, run the sust.

    250mg sust (1-3) TOTAL 750mg (M/W/F)

    250mg test E (1-12) TOTAL 500mg
    200mg deca (1-10) TOTAL 400mg
    200mg EQ (1-10) TOTAL 400mg

    PCT: start week 14

    /V

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    Ok Its on, Ill let you know how it goes.

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    What supplements you suggest,
    I'm taken:
    animal flex - joints
    animal stack - multi vit
    fish oil
    flax seed
    twin lab. Aminos
    vitamin E
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    Creatine.


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    Im with pirate on this one! Too many drugs in my opinion.

    This is only your fourth cycle, thats nothing. I was still running 8 week cycles of 500mg/w of test only and getting great results for a few cycles. Then once results became minimal, I added another compound for a few more cycles and so on.

    I have done alot more cycles than you and Im still not consuming the amount of drugs that you are. Im not a fan of mixing too many compounds, its just not neccesary and its unhealthy. Your well over a gram of gear a week already and your planning on stacking 5 compounds. Fuck that.

    Hopefully you will get regular bloodwork done.

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    How's this look?

    Ok, I may save sus for next cycle.

    Can I mix some shots so I'm not sticking so much?

    250mg test E (1-12) TOTAL 500mg
    200mg deca (1-10) TOTAL 400mg
    200mg EQ (1-10) TOTAL 400mg
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    You can mix all three if you wish, they are all oil based. Good luck!

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    Would you mix or just do 4 dif site injection
    Hey why do you think shadocam and pirate are so against the sus?
    My last cycle was test e / deca / sus seemed to work good.
    Last edited by turboflash; 06-28-2009 at 09:46 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turboflash View Post
    Would you mix or just do 4 dif site injection
    Hey why do you think shadocam and pirate are so against the sus?
    My last cycle was test e / deca / sus seemed to work good.
    Well, adding the sust is a bit much and I do agree with them to be honest.

    But on the other hand, if I had only 12 vials left, I would personally use them to front since it's not enough to run another cycle with. No biggie. If you didn't have the dbol as a kick, I'm sure they would probably be more for it.

    With your program, I would take two shots a week. If your glutes are too hard to do, hit your quads, they are much easier. Left/right - M/Thrs. Keep us posted.

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    Thanks for all your info
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    dude what the hell is this advice? Is this your answer to everything? It clearly shows that you have got a very little tiny knowledge on how to put on muscles.
    I would not reccommend that cycle to a horse. Lets hope researchers can harness and enhance neurogenesis, so it could lead to improved treatments for people with brain like yours.
    I rest my case.



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    500mg test E 2x a week
    250mg deca 1x a week for my joints
    300mg eq 2x a week
    sus250 1amp per week
    12 weeks on

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    Ok what's your advice?






    Quote Originally Posted by zedg View Post
    dude what the hell is this advice? Is this your answer to everything? It clearly shows that you have got a very little tiny knowledge on how to put on muscles.
    I would not reccommend that cycle to a horse. Lets hope researchers can harness and enhance neurogenesis, so it could lead to improved treatments for people with brain like yours.
    I rest my case.
    I would like to know what advice you would give?
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