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I might have been mistaken but I haven't seen anything posted in here in regards to the news going on involving the nut job harvard professor who disrespected police and now has our President reverend Albama backing his racial crap up! I'm outraged at the president and the city of cambridge. This is the reason why racism still exists in the country, because without it what other crap could be made up to have people feeling bad for who was once a minority in this country. MR PRESIDENT, YOU HAVE OFFENDED ME TOO MANY TIMES!!! I WANT RETRIBUTION NOW!
 
If someone got arrested for breaking into their own home when they were locked out even after showing his ID as proof that he lived there, there is an injustice.

( He came here to Emory and I met the guy and he is so meek and nerdy, can't see how he could be aggressive.)

If he did not cooperate with the police then the police were justified in doing what they did.

Either way, the details will need to be hashed out and scrutinized later.

( For the record when I and my black partner ( physician who was an ex football player) were trying to find a parking space at Emory to attend a medical conferance the University cops pulled me over and asked if I was OK and was the man sitting in my car bothering or threatening me in any way. I told them I don't usually let men who are harassing me in anyway be a passenger in my car...duh....)
 
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What I believe happened, based solely on my gut...

Dude was profiled by whomever called the police, not the officer. The officer shows up, asks for ID, Gates causes an unnecessary stink and refuses, officer threatens to arrest him, he resists and ends up showing the ID, and the officer gives him a ticket for the skirmish.

My personal thoughts, Gates caused the primary problem and caused the problem, but the police officer has the duty to act professionally and not get in to battle of measure my cock. This cop is obviously not a racist, apparently he gave some black basketball dude CPR at Brandeis a few years back, not something a racist is going to do.

Now, who should apologize? Both of them or neither of them. IMO, Gates was being an asshole, and unfortunately, since he is a rich asshole, he can raise a stink. This has nothing to do with race as far as the officer goes, and Gates calling racial prejudice is an insult to actual racial prejudice that I am sure goes on every single day. Actually, I had never known who this Gates dude was before this, and I will only think of him with the likes of the Al Sharptons of the world from now on, fuck him.

But I reserve the right to change my mind upon further evidence. :)
 
Yeah, I don't think his treatment was fair at all either. My gosh, The police knocked on the door, he answered, invited them in they could see his pictures hanging in the foyer. By nature, burglers don't usually respond to interruptions in this fashion.
 
IronAddict said:
Yeah, I don't think his treatment was fair at all either. My gosh, The police knocked on the door, he answered, invited them in they could see his pictures hanging in the foyer. By nature, burglers don't usually respond to interruptions in this fashion.
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thats not what happened, they found him sitting outside and he WAS being beligerent. The fact that he didnt initially want to show the police identification is enough proof. But what I'm trying to emphasizing is that regardless of the story at this point in the game, the president has no business making any sort of comments to the nature of which he did when we don't know the exact story yet. People are just waiting for crap like this so they can jump on the old racism card.
 
Sounds like most of you in here are profiling, you have no proof of what happened and yet you are siding with your race of preference.....
 
maniclion said:
Sounds like most of you in here are profiling, you have no proof of what happened and yet you are siding with your race of preference.....
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No way, I hate honkeys, and am certainly not a fan of the Poe-lice.

Maybe Gates isn't getting laid enough, certain could explain the anger.
 
maniclion said:
Sounds like most of you in here are profiling, you have no proof of what happened and yet you are siding with your race of preference.....
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Isn't there a bit of irony in you accuse me, a white man, of profiling. If I were black would you have accused me of the same thing? :)
 
maniclion said:
thats not what happened, they found him sitting outside and he WAS being beligerent. The fact that he didnt initially want to show the police identification is enough proof. But what I'm trying to emphasizing is that regardless of the story at this point in the game, the president has no business making any sort of comments to the nature of which he did when we don't know the exact story yet. People are just waiting for crap like this so they can jump on the old racism card.
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From the story I heard,' actually it was on a pretty reputable radio station Kgo, in case anyone asks'. that's exactly what happened. But I wasn't there, so. Then he was escorted outside. That's when he threw the fit. Phuquina, I'd be pissed off too! But I couldn't play the race card so, I'll refrain from that topic.

Agree with the whole President thing though. Then again, I am not a black man in this country, so I can't empathise with his emotions upon hearing about this. Especially, if it was the first he had heard about it.
 
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From the story I heard,' actually it was on a pretty reputable radio station Kgo, in case anyone asks'. that's exactly what happened. But I wasn't there, so. Then he was escorted outside. That's when he threw the fit. Phuquina, I'd be pissed off too! But I couldn't play the race card so, I'll refrain from that topic.

Agree with the whole President thing though. Then again, I am not a black man in this country, so I can't empathise with his emotions upon hearing about this. Especially, if it was the first he had heard about it.
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Why does it quote manic, it was posted by mcguin? :nail:
 
Officer says he'll 'never apologize' for Harvard professor arrest

(CNN) -- A Cambridge, Massachusetts, police officer said Thursday he will "never apologize" about how he handled the arrest of prominent black Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.
Sgt. Jim Crowley said he has nothing to apologize for in regards to the arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr.

Sgt. Jim Crowley said he has nothing to apologize for in regards to the arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr.

"That apology will never come from me as Jim Crowley, it won't come from me as sergeant in the Cambridge Police Department," Sgt. James Crowley told Boston radio station WEEI. "Whatever anybody else chooses to do in the name of the city of Cambridge or the Cambridge Police Department which are beyond my control, I don't worry about that. I know what I did was right. I have nothing to apologize for."

Crowley also said he was exercising caution and is clearly not a racist based on his previous actions.

Those actions, Crowley told the Boston Herald, include giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to former Boston Celtics star Reggie Lewis, who suffered a fatal heart attack in 1993 at Brandeis University when Crowley was a campus cop.

"I wasn't working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn't working on a black man," Crowley told the Boston Herald. "I was working on another human being."

Gates was arrested last week at his home after a confrontation with Crowley. Cambridge authorities on Tuesday dropped disorderly conduct charges against Gates.

Crowley also told WEEI that when he asked Gates to come out of his home, he thought a break-in had occurred or was still happening.

"I didn't know who [Gates] was. I was by myself. I was the only police officer standing there, and I got a report of people breaking into a house," Crowley told WEEI. "That was for my safety first and foremost. I have to go home at night, I have three beautiful children and a wife who depend on me. So I had no other motive than to ensure my safety."

Responding to a reporter's question on Gates' arrest, President Obama said Wednesday night that the Cambridge police "acted stupidly."

Obama defended Gates while admitting that he may be "a little biased" because the professor is his friend.

"But I think it's fair to say, No. 1, any of us would be pretty angry; No. 2, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and, No. 3 ... that there's a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately."

The incident shows "how race remains a factor in this society," Obama said.
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Crowley told WEEI that he was "disappointed" that Obama interjected himself into the situation.

"He's the president of the United States, and I support the president to a point," Crowley told WEEI. "I think it's disappointing that he waded into what should be a local issue and something that is -- really that plays out here. As he himself had said at the beginning of that press conference, he didn't know all the facts. He certainly doesn't based on those comments. I just think it was very disappointing."

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mcguin said:
thats not what happened, they found him sitting outside and he WAS being beligerent. The fact that he didnt initially want to show the police identification is enough proof. But what I'm trying to emphasizing is that regardless of the story at this point in the game, the president has no business making any sort of comments to the nature of which he did when we don't know the exact story yet. People are just waiting for crap like this so they can jump on the old racism card.
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Dale Mabry said:
Why does it quote manic, it was posted by mcguin? :nail:
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Oh shit! I did that. Coulda swore I read manic so I changed it to manic.

Phuq, i'm a :wacko::loser2:!!!
 
It should have went down like this:

Officer asks for ID. Homeowner gives ID. Then politely ask the officer to leave his property.

Unfortunately, the homeowner had a chip on his shoulder. He then played the race card with that chip. Nothing good will come of that with an officer who's trying to do his job. Especially when the call came from another citizen in the area.

Now, had the officer initiated the contact on his own I could see how profiling could be an issue.
 
Prince said:
the part that is still unclear for me is once the cop knew the guy was not breaking into the house, he showed him his ID, the cop then knew he lived there, why did he arrest him?
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Basically, for making a scene.

He could have sucked up his pride, apologized and left...
 
Prince said:
Officer says he'll 'never apologize' for Harvard professor arrest

(CNN) -- A Cambridge, Massachusetts, police officer said Thursday he will "never apologize" about how he handled the arrest of prominent black Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates Jr.
Sgt. Jim Crowley said he has nothing to apologize for in regards to the arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr.

Sgt. Jim Crowley said he has nothing to apologize for in regards to the arrest of Henry Louis Gates Jr.

"That apology will never come from me as Jim Crowley, it won't come from me as sergeant in the Cambridge Police Department," Sgt. James Crowley told Boston radio station WEEI. "Whatever anybody else chooses to do in the name of the city of Cambridge or the Cambridge Police Department which are beyond my control, I don't worry about that. I know what I did was right. I have nothing to apologize for."

Crowley also said he was exercising caution and is clearly not a racist based on his previous actions.

Those actions, Crowley told the Boston Herald, include giving mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to former Boston Celtics star Reggie Lewis, who suffered a fatal heart attack in 1993 at Brandeis University when Crowley was a campus cop.

"I wasn't working on Reggie Lewis the basketball star. I wasn't working on a black man," Crowley told the Boston Herald. "I was working on another human being."

Gates was arrested last week at his home after a confrontation with Crowley. Cambridge authorities on Tuesday dropped disorderly conduct charges against Gates.

Crowley also told WEEI that when he asked Gates to come out of his home, he thought a break-in had occurred or was still happening.

"I didn't know who [Gates] was. I was by myself. I was the only police officer standing there, and I got a report of people breaking into a house," Crowley told WEEI. "That was for my safety first and foremost. I have to go home at night, I have three beautiful children and a wife who depend on me. So I had no other motive than to ensure my safety."

Crowley told WEEI that he was "disappointed" that Obama interjected himself into the situation.



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:thinking: Sounds awfully damn close though!
 
largepkg said:
Yes, yes I have. WHY?
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Remember that scene, where Terrence Howard didn't want to, or became tired of sucking up his pride to the police. I think that's what this was, and what we're not getting ?:shrug:

I don't know, just thinking while typing.
 
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Dale Mabry said:
Isn't there a bit of irony in you accuse me, a white man, of profiling. If I were black would you have accused me of the same thing? :)
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I said most of you, not you exactly but in your case, sir, you profiled him as being one of those "rich assholes" who can get away with anything.....


None of you have stepped back and thought about what else might have been the case:

Scenario 1: Gates gets home from a long plane trip and just wants to get in his house, he realizes that his dumbass doesn't have the key. Now he has to bust into his own house, being that he's the academic type he's likely out of shape so now he's really dog tired, then to top it all off someone calls the cops who come out and rub his nose in what an idiot he was for locking himself out of his own house. Any human is going to be in a pissy mood after a calamity of errors like this goes down, it's not black or white, rich or poor thing it's a human nature thing. What it comes down to is the officer probably approached the situation with the wrong attitude jsut adding to the already bad situation for the professor. If he was concerned for his own safety then he should have waited for back-up instead of entering an unknown situation. He says himself that he had a call of "people breaking into a house", so if he didn't even know how many why then did he approach it alone? But he did and so his gauge was tapped out as was Gates' and they both touched and there were sparks of words, just words and hurt feelings....they both should have been adult about it and saw that they both were in a high state of stress.....Isn't that what defines maturity the level of empathy you have for your fellow beings?
 
Sounds like profiling to me, but I wasn't there so I don;t know. The cop arrested him after he realized that he had made a mistake.
Sounds like typical cop douchebaggry to me.

As far as the whole "I gave mouth to mouth to a black man so I can't be raciest" defense, it doesn't really mean squat. There are plenty of people I don't like, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't try to save them if they were dying if I knew how.
 
IronAddict said:
Remember that scene, where Terrence Howard didn't want to, or became tired of sucking up his pride to the police. I think that's what this was, and what we're not getting ?:shrug:

I don't know, just thinking while typing.
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I do but we're assuming this professor has lived the life of the typical black man who's been pushed around by the po po. I doubt thats the case. I see this professor using this common social issue as a lightning rod to poke the cop.
 
KelJu said:
Sounds like profiling to me, but I wasn't there so I don;t know. The cop arrested him after he realized that he had made a mistake.
Sounds like typical cop douchebaggry to me.
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I agree, it sounds like the cop had a big ego and while he should have apologized and excused the professor's behavior based on the incident at hand instead he decided to act like a typical asshole cop and show him who has the power.
 
Prince said:
I agree, it sounds like the cop had a big ego and while he should have apologized and excused the professor's behavior based on the incident at hand instead he decided to act like a typical asshole cop and show him who has the power.
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I certainly can see it this way as well. My only concern is at what point does the professors words become verbal assault and/or disturbing the peace.

Can you really not see the professor going this direction? Especially after playing the black man card?
 
largepkg said:
I do but we're assuming this professor has lived the life of the typical black man who's been pushed around by the po po. I doubt thats the case. I see this professor using this common social issue as a lightning rod to poke the cop.
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No doubt. The cop had to show him who is boss. The professor, in turn, pulled all the cards he had to show the cop who was boss by calling his buddy the president. It is a pissing match between two men and nothing more.

I would have felt violated if I were arrested for breaking into my own house. In all honesty, if I had a big name politician as a friend I probably would have done the exact same thing in retaliation.

Lol, in my younger days I would have firebombed his car while he was sleeping.
 
Obama doesn't regret 'acted stupidly' remark about Henry Gates Jr. arrest

By Michael Sheridan
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Thursday, July 23rd 2009, 10:18 PM
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What's everyone so upset about?
That was President Obama's response Thursday night during an ABC News interview when asked if he regretted his "acted stupidly" comment during Wednesday night's press conference.
"I am suprised by the controversy," Obama told ABC's Terry Moran. "I think it was [a] pretty straightforward comment that you probably don't need to handcuff a guy, a middle-aged man who uses a cane, who's in his own home."
And while Obama did not apologize for his strong jab, he attempted to soften their impact by offering compliments to the police officer at the center of the Henry Louis Gates Jr. arrest, Sgt. James Crowley.
"From what I can tell, the sergeant involved is an outstanding police officer," the President offered, adding that he "has extraordinary respect for the difficulties of the job that police officers do."
The President was asked Wednesday during his health care press conference about the controversial arrest of the black Harvard professor in Cambridge, and responded, "The Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home."
Crowley was on the defensive earlier in the day following Obama's sharp remark.
"I just have nothing to apologize for," Crowley said, insisting he wasn't a racist. And the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association seems to agree.
"Upon review, the Association expresses its full and unqualified support for the actions taken by Sgt. Crowley in response to the report of a possible break-in at a residence on Ware Street in Cambridge," the union said in a statement.
Obama noted during his ABC News interview that he felt the arrest was one that simply got out of hand.
"Words were exchanged between the police officer and Mr. Gates," he said, "and everybody should have just settled down and cooler heads should have prevailed."
The incident happened last week after Gates, 58, a Harvard professor, returned home from a trip to China. While he had trouble entering his home, a passerby reported it to police as a possible break-in.
Police arrived and demanded Gates prove he lived in the house. The professor became agitated and criticized the police. Cops later arrested him outside his home for causing a public disturbance.
The charges against Gates were dropped several days later.
 
largepkg said:
I certainly can see it this way as well. My only concern is at what point does the professors words become verbal assault and/or disturbing the peace.

Can you really not see the professor going this direction? Especially after playing the black man card?
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sure, but it was his house and his property, and what about freedom of speech?

without knowing exactly what was said by both its hard to know.
 
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