I mean are you still natural if you already used them? Does it mess up your system quite little or does it inhibit you to grow naturally? Does anybody know? Thanks.
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Is prohormone natural?
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Define Natural?
If you mean for competing, where they are banned by most "Natural BB Organizations" as well as in sports by the IOC, USOC, NCAA and AAU, then you need to check how "it is written" in each organization!
I believe the "Drug Free for Life" contests may have special wording (See NABBA, ABA, NGA and others)
They don't necessarily inhibit growth (depending on age), but they do change your hormonal cascade.) With Prohormones (except DHEA and Pregnenolone) when you replace something exogeniously with something that your body naturally produces endogeniously....then you are messing yourself! Your body no longer has to listen to feedback loops and produce it's own Test. DHT and Est usually elevate, and in extreme cases like a 27 year friens of mine (who has done many Prohormone cycles, but never AS).....you STOP producing your own Test, get labelled 'Hypogonadal"...and go on HRT for the rest of your life....with all the "peaks and valleys" that accompany it!
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p.s His dumbass Doctors, two GPs and now an Endrocrinologist, tried Clomid.......won't try hcg......and were trying to give him anti-depressants instead of raise his Test, even though he had less than the "low Range for a 60 year old man"
If you mean for competing, where they are banned by most "Natural BB Organizations" as well as in sports by the IOC, USOC, NCAA and AAU, then you need to check how "it is written" in each organization!
I believe the "Drug Free for Life" contests may have special wording (See NABBA, ABA, NGA and others)
They don't necessarily inhibit growth (depending on age), but they do change your hormonal cascade.) With Prohormones (except DHEA and Pregnenolone) when you replace something exogeniously with something that your body naturally produces endogeniously....then you are messing yourself! Your body no longer has to listen to feedback loops and produce it's own Test. DHT and Est usually elevate, and in extreme cases like a 27 year friens of mine (who has done many Prohormone cycles, but never AS).....you STOP producing your own Test, get labelled 'Hypogonadal"...and go on HRT for the rest of your life....with all the "peaks and valleys" that accompany it!
DP
p.s His dumbass Doctors, two GPs and now an Endrocrinologist, tried Clomid.......won't try hcg......and were trying to give him anti-depressants instead of raise his Test, even though he had less than the "low Range for a 60 year old man"
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So you mean that once your system get used to Prohormones, it wouldn't produce natural tests anymore like it used to. Its like you have to take it all the time and start relying on it?
Damn that's scary! How about such things as Tribulus Terrestris and DHEA? (I know they're just natural test boosting supps) but will they inhibit growth and mess up your system as well?
Damn that's scary! How about such things as Tribulus Terrestris and DHEA? (I know they're just natural test boosting supps) but will they inhibit growth and mess up your system as well?
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Everything has a "cause and effect" within the body. In theory...99 out of100 times that you surpress your test (with too much, too long)....the body bounces back and corrects the problem. It's the one time that we worry about! 
This goes for adrenal and central neverous system compromise from thermos, and thyroid down regualtion from certain substances also.
But why risk any amount of HEALTH unless you are "competing" or your paycheck depends on your appearance??? (that's quotable)
DHEA is a waste, however Tribulus (and we are talking good Trib, highly standardized), seems to raise LH ( a hormonal messenger that your anterior pituatary normally secretes (see the risk here?) to tell the Leydig cells in the Testes, elevate Test, but only slightly... and seems to carry the least amount of problems! (Still meant for "older" people...and cycled)
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This goes for adrenal and central neverous system compromise from thermos, and thyroid down regualtion from certain substances also.
But why risk any amount of HEALTH unless you are "competing" or your paycheck depends on your appearance??? (that's quotable)
DHEA is a waste, however Tribulus (and we are talking good Trib, highly standardized), seems to raise LH ( a hormonal messenger that your anterior pituatary normally secretes (see the risk here?) to tell the Leydig cells in the Testes, elevate Test, but only slightly... and seems to carry the least amount of problems! (Still meant for "older" people...and cycled)
DP
What do you mean when you say 'high standard'? Can you name some supplements that does sell high standardized Tribulus?
I would like to raise my testorone with either Tribulus or Prohormone safely and effectively...what would you recommend between the two and after the first cycle, how long do I need to stay off cycle so my system is in safe condition?
I would like to raise my testorone with either Tribulus or Prohormone safely and effectively...what would you recommend between the two and after the first cycle, how long do I need to stay off cycle so my system is in safe condition?
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How old are you?
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Old enough...I guess
...21 (I know I know!)
...21 (I know I know!)
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I'm reluctant to provide too much info because, Tribulus, and Prohormones really work better in the "over 25" crowd. and I'm still not a big fan of them, even though they pay my rent!
But, FYI only, Trib is best used near the end of a 3-4 week Prohormone cycle (3-4 weeks on, with a mass program, and 2-4 weeks off) Start about 5-7 days before the end, and cycle the Trib for about 30 days on, and either off at the next Prohormone cycle, or about 3-4 weeks off if used alone.
I AM NOT recommending this, but we use "BB Mentality, if it says take two, we take four, if it says take 4 we take 8 (Please don't use this for everything, it is dangerous)
The best Tribs are anything licensed by Sopharma (Tribestan) and Biotest's Tribex 500 (near 50% standardization). Twin Labs and Optimum use to only have 28-31 percent steroidal saponins, but recently Optimum upgraded to 40% and over, so this would be the "poor man's choice!"
It is thought in my industry that the 28-31% raw material is "Domestic" and almost usless!
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I think Ergopharm's new 6-OXO will be by far the best!!! Patrick Arnold really knows his shyt!
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DG806. what is this new thing that ergopharm is coming out with?
I think that taking hormones in addition to what your body produces is not natural, and is the same thing as taking oral steroids except one is legal and one is by prescription only.
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I'm wondering if I should take it but many are saying it's a waste!
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