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    President Obama to GOP leaders: Stop 'grandstanding' and get to work on jobs






    WASHINGTON - A frustrated, tough-talking President Obama told GOP leaders Tuesday he will try to meet them halfway on a new jobs bill, but also accused them of trying to torpedo his entire policy agenda for political gain.

    "We can't afford grandstanding at the expense of actually getting something done," Obama said in a surprise news conference in the White House briefing room. "What I won't consider is doing nothing."
    Taking several questions from reporters for the first time since July, Obama said he "won't hesitate to embrace a good idea from my friends in the minority party, but I also won't hesitate to condemn what I consider to be obstinacy that's rooted not in substantive disagreements."
    "The people who sent us here expect a seriousness of purpose that transcends petty politics," he added.
    Obama spoke to reporters after meeting for more than an hour with House and Senate leaders from both parties.
    He restated his irritation with GOP "obstruction" on just about every issue on his agenda, arguing that bipartisanship should be easy in areas like job creation, energy and health care reform. However, he flatly refused a demand by Republicans to "start over" on the health care bill.
    At one point, Obama got into a heated exchange with House GOP leader John Boehner, accusing the Republicans of first supporting, then voting against creating a bipartisan commission to tackle the deficit. Obama charged the GOP's goal is to sink his agenda at all costs, a source said.
    The President also threatened to use recess appointments, which don't require Senate confirmation, to seat more than 70 nominees to key positions. Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby, who is upset over spending projects for his state that are being denied, had placed a hold on all Obama nominations.
    "I respect the Senate's role to advise and consent, but for months, qualified, non-controversial nominees for critical positions in government, often positions related to our national security, have been held up despite having overwhelming support," Obama said.
    "My nominee for one important job ...was denied a vote for nine months. When she finally got a vote on her nomination, she was confirmed, 96-0. That's not 'advise and consent.' That's 'delay and obstruct.'"
    Obama urged lawmakers to get behind the idea of tax credits for businesses that hire new workers, proposed by Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York and GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah. The GOP is interested but has yet to agree to the plan that would refund employers' 6.2% share of the Social Security payroll tax for companies that hire workers this year.
    "There are some areas of potential agreement," Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell said after the meeting, citing trade agreements, nuclear energy, clean coal technology and offshore drilling as job-creating opportunities.
    A new ABC News/Washington Post poll seemed to side with Obama. Almost 60% of Americans think the Republicans aren't doing enough to compromise, and nearly two-thirds of Americans say they don't want Congress to quit on health care.

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    I wonder where do they get there polling info from?

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    Republicans would gladly see him fail at our expense. I may be wrong but it just seems that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    Republicans would gladly see him fail at our expense. I may be wrong but it just seems that way.
    I'm sure that's what some Republicans are thinking, but I doubt most. Don't confuse political pundits for the actual members.

    The Republicans that I talk to don't want him to fail, they're afraid that he'll fail. And they don't want him fucking up our country.

    Hell, some of the Democrats that I talk to feel the same way about him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    Republicans would gladly see him fail at our expense. I may be wrong but it just seems that way.

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    Republicans in the Senate have a vested interest in seeing him fail (campaigning for 2012 is just around the corner!)... Politics as usual... *sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by busyLivin View Post
    He's an idiot. I'm not defending Dems....sheesh, this country is going to the ground thanks to the politicians.
    This is depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    He's an idiot. I'm not defending Dems....sheesh, this country is going to the ground thanks to the politicians.
    This is depressing.
    it really is. both sides play these games. Obama's full of shit blaming republicans for the jobs now, when he had a super majority up until a couple of weeks ago & didn't do shit. Now republicans have big heads thinking everything is going their way & want Obama to grovel. Meanwhile, the country suffers.

    Politicians suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    I'm sure that's what some Republicans are thinking, but I doubt most. Don't confuse political pundits for the actual members.

    The Republicans that I talk to don't want him to fail, they're afraid that he'll fail. And they don't want him fucking up our country.

    Hell, some of the Democrats that I talk to feel the same way about him.
    Things look bleak, amazing...politicians have always been known to be dishonest....when is this going to stop?
    Here in NY all you here how this guy is stealing , how that guy has ihis hand dipped in......

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    Can we get rid of these fussy old men and get some young go getters on the job? You want job creation? Make these old fuddies retire and vote in the new breed.....
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    but oh they have yet to be experienced and that makes aging so very worth it...ML circa2012

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    Job creation is from the private sector.

    Yes, some government regulations and tax breaks can stimululate certain sectors, but it has to come from the private sector. Especially smaller businesses, which are not doing much of anything at the moment.

    Politicians in DC talking about "jobs" are doing so, because high unemployment often leads to incumbents getting voted out of office.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    Originally published 05:00 a.m., February 9, 2010, updated 05:54 a.m., February 9, 2010

    Stimulus foes see value in seeking cash




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    Sen. Christopher S. Bond regularly railed against President Obama's economic stimulus plan as irresponsible spending that would drive up the national debt. But behind the scenes, the Missouri Republican quietly sought more than $50 million from a federal agency for two projects in his state.
    Mr. Bond was not alone. More than a dozen Republican lawmakers, while denouncing the stimulus to the media and their constituents, privately sent letters to just one of the federal government's many agencies seeking stimulus money for home-state pork projects.
    The letters to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, expose the gulf between lawmakers' public criticism of the overall stimulus package and their private lobbying for projects close to home.
    "It's not illegal to talk out of both sides of your mouth, but it does seem to be a level of dishonesty troubling to the American public," said Melanie Sloan, executive director of the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.
    In a letter to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, Mr. Bond noted that one project applying to the USDA for stimulus money would "create jobs and ultimately spur economic opportunities."
    He and other lawmakers make no apologies for privately seeking stimulus money after they voted against it and continue to criticize the plan: "I strongly opposed the stimulus, but the only thing that could make it worse would be if none of it returned to the taxpayers of Missouri," said Mr. Bond, who is retiring.
    But watchdog groups say the lawmakers' public talk and private letters don't square, highlighting a side of government spending largely overshadowed by the "earmarking" process. While members of Congress must disclose their earmarks — or pet projects they slip into broader spending bills — the private funding requests they make in letters to agencies fall outside of the public's view.
    "There is a definite disconnect between the public statements and the private letters," said Thomas A. Schatz, president of the nonpartisan Citizens Against Government Waste. "It does seem inconsistent to say you're against the bill but then you want some little piece of it."
    At a televised meeting with the House Republican caucus late last month, Mr. Obama chided GOP lawmakers who, he said, took credit for projects funded by the same stimulus bill they voted against — adding that some were even attending ribbon-cutting ceremonies.
    But the USDA letters also reveal a more discreet way for lawmakers to try to steer money to home-state projects.
    'Misguided spending bill'
    Several Republicans who sent letters to the USDA for home-state projects seeking an infusion of stimulus cash are facing competitive re-election races.
    Rep. Joe Wilson, South Carolina Republican who became famous after yelling, "You lie," during Mr. Obama's addresses to Congress in September, voted against the stimulus. Nonetheless, Mr. Wilson elbowed his way into the rush for federal stimulus cash in a letter he sent to Mr. Vilsack on behalf of a foundation seeking funding.
    "We know their endeavor will provide jobs and investment in one of the poorer sections of the Congressional District," he wrote to Mr. Vilsack in the Aug. 26, 2009, letter.
    "Congressman Wilson's position on the stimulus bill is consistent," said spokeswoman Pepper Pennington. She said Mr. Wilson opposed the stimulus as a "misguided spending bill," but once it passed, he wanted to make sure South Carolina residents "receive their share of the pie."
    On Feb. 13, 2009, Sen. Robert F. Bennett, Utah Republican, issued a statement criticizing the stimulus — but two days earlier, he privately forwarded to Mr. Vilsack a list of projects seeking stimulus money.
    "I believe the addition of federal funds to these projects would maximize the stimulative effect of these projects on the local economy," he wrote.
    Mr. Bennett is up for re-election and facing several Republican challengers. Last month, the conservative anti-tax group Club for Growth announced that it was opposing his nomination for a fourth term.
    "It is absurd to require Utah taxpayers to foot their portion of the bill associated with stimulus spending and then ask them to forgo competing for those funds without the input of their congressional representatives," said Bennett spokeswoman Tara Hendershott DiJulio.
    Also facing a competitive race, Rep. Pat Tiberi, Ohio Republican, in October called the final Democratic stimulus bill "loaded with [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi's grab bag of big spending wishes" and that it "saddles future generations with mountains of debt."
    He struck a different tone in a letter to Mr. Vilsack.
    "While this project is intended to expand rural broadband in Alaska, I understand that the project could support businesses and jobs in communities across the country," Mr. Tiberi wrote, citing one such company in his district.
    A spokeswoman for Mr. Tiberi said he is just fighting for jobs in his district.
    "Congressman Tiberi didn't support the stimulus bill, but when it comes down to parts of the bill that are actually going to support jobs, he's going to come down on the side of supporting businesses and Ohio jobs," Tiberi spokeswoman Breann Gonzalez said.
    Job creation?
    Other Republican lawmakers who wrote on behalf of projects applying for stimulus money don't have any re-election worries anytime soon.
    Before his vote against the stimulus, Sen. Mike Johanns, who took office last year from Nebraska, predicted that "the money would simply never reach the economy."
    A secretary of agriculture under President George W. Bush, Mr. Johanns later told the Grand Island, Neb., Independent newspaper that "it would be hard for me to imagine that we are going to be creating many jobs here." Yet he saw the prospect of at least a few dozen jobs in a letter he later sent to Mr. Vilsack for a home-state project, records show.
    "The proposed project would create 38 new jobs and bring broadband to eight hospitals, five colleges, 16 libraries and 161 K-12 schools," Mr. Johanns wrote.
    E-mails and calls to Mr. Johanns' office were not returned.
    Sen. Lamar Alexander, Tennessee Republican, who easily won re-election in 2008, said of the stimulus, "This is spending, not stimulus."
    In a letter to Mr. Vilsack for a project applying for stimulus money, Mr. Alexander noted, "It is anticipated that the project will create over 200 jobs in the first year and at least another 40 new jobs in the following years."
    Jim Jeffries, a spokesman for Mr. Alexander, said the senator believes his constituents have a right to apply for stimulus funds.
    "Sen. Alexander voted against the stimulus because it was too much spending and too much debt for too little benefit to the economy," Mr. Jeffries said. "Republicans lost that fight and the money will be spent, and because Tennessee taxpayers will end up footing part of the bill, they have a right to apply for the funds."
    Pete Sepp, vice president of the National Taxpayers Union, called that philosophy troubling.
    "It's hard to expect lawmakers to behave like angels when this much money is being airdropped all over the country," Mr. Sepp said. "But the more strident the rhetoric, the worse it looks. For me, with these grants where they're saying a project is going to create a certain number of jobs, it makes you wonder: Do they really believe that? Or is it just part of a cynical cash grab?"
    Getting their 'fair share'
    Ranked among the most conservative members of the House by the American Conservative Union (ACU), Rep. John Linder, Georgia Republican, posted a blog item on his Web site on Oct. 21, stating that recent unemployment figures "only reinforce the fact that the $787 billion 'stimulus' signed into law eight months ago has done nothing for job growth in this country."
    Two weeks earlier, Mr. Linder had sent a letter to Mr. Vilsack backing an application for stimulus money by the Elauwit Community Foundation, records show. With unemployment in Georgia topping 10 percent, "the employment opportunities created by this program would be quickly utilized," Mr. Linder wrote.
    Mr. Linder said the letter doesn't change his staunch opposition to the stimulus.
    "I have opposed every stimulus plan that has come before Congress because it is simply bad policy, but if they pass, the communities in my district which are paying for them deserve to be equally considered in their benefits," Mr. Linder said.
    Another House member who has scored high ACU rankings, Rep. Robert B. Aderholt, Alabama Republican, also voted against and criticized the stimulus.
    "Rather than create jobs or stimulate the economy, this massive spending bill was a laundry list of programs that focused on states with big-city urban communities," he wrote in the Oct. 4 edition of the Daily Mountain Eagle newspaper.
    Three days later, Mr. Aderholt sent a letter to Mr. Vilsack on behalf of a foundation seeking stimulus money to expand broadband services in his district.
    "Congressman Aderholt supported some of the ideas in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, but disagreed with much of it and that's why he voted against it," Aderholt spokesman D.J. Jordan said.
    "Since the bill was passed and became law, the congressman wanted to help a local foundation receive some of the broadband money that otherwise would go to another state."
    Sen. Lisa Murkowski, Alaska Republican, called the stimulus "excessive" and voted against it, though she noted that money in the legislation would benefit her state. She, too, wrote to the USDA to support Alaska projects seeking stimulus funds.
    "I opposed the stimulus bill as did most of my colleagues in the Republican caucus, but it was passed in Congress and signed into law," she said, when asked about her support for project seeking stimulus funds.
    "When constituents come to me asking for support in a competitive application process for funding for broadband expansion, I am happy to support their request. I will always fight to make sure my state gets its fair share of available federal dollars," she added.
    Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, was yet another lawmaker who voted against the stimulus and later backed applications for stimulus money in two letters to the Agriculture Department.
    "If the funds are there, Senator Grassleys going to help Iowa, rather than some other state, get its share," spokeswoman Jill Kozeny said.
    According to records, at least eight other Republicans lawmakers who voted against the stimulus later sent letters to the USDA backing various projects' stimulus applications.

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    I gave up highlighting these crooks.

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    I forgot its bushes fault...still

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Situation View Post
    I forgot its bushes fault...still
    I'd vote for Ron Paul in a sec. It's so ironic that long before everything collapsed, he was screaming that the massive govt spending and the bubble economy, which was based solely on borrowing at artificiallly low interest rates was, was unsustainable. Yet, the repubs painted him as a nutjob. Now credit is dried up and govt spending is increasing exponentially. We're fucked if we don't get away from the two-party monopoly. But, it ain't gonna happen in our lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roids1 View Post
    I'd vote for Ron Paul in a sec. It's so ironic that long before everything collapsed, he was screaming that the massive govt spending and the bubble economy, which was based solely on borrowing at artificiallly low interest rates was, was unsustainable. Yet, the repubs painted him as a nutjob. Now credit is dried up and govt spending is increasing exponentially. We're fucked if we don't get away from the two-party monopoly. But, it ain't gonna happen in our lifetime.
    Ron paul is a tool.
    most that want to vote for him want weed legal and believe 9-11 was done by bush. 1% believe he's good . i'm not knocking ya for the ron paul thing, but i went to one and talk with jessie ventura and with mr.paul

    and it was a trip 9-11 legal weed was all the people there talked about i think most missed the big picture, i'm not a fan or mr pauls, but i didvote for ross perote i think i spelled his name wrong..

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Roids1 again
    Ron Paul would be the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Situation View Post
    Ron paul is a tool.
    most that want to vote for him want weed legal and believe 9-11 was done by bush. 1% believe he's good . i'm not knocking ya for the ron paul thing, but i went to one and talk with jessie ventura and with mr.paul

    and it was a trip 9-11 legal weed was all the people there talked about i think most missed the big picture, i'm not a fan or mr pauls, but i didvote for ross perote i think i spelled his name wrong..
    I also liked Ross Perot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Situation View Post
    I forgot its bushes fault...still
    If it goes wrong, it'll never stop being Bush's fault.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Situation View Post
    Ron paul is a tool.
    most that want to vote for him want weed legal and believe 9-11 was done by bush. 1% believe he's good . i'm not knocking ya for the ron paul thing, but i went to one and talk with jessie ventura and with mr.paul

    and it was a trip 9-11 legal weed was all the people there talked about i think most missed the big picture, i'm not a fan or mr pauls, but i didvote for ross perote i think i spelled his name wrong..
    Yeah, it's Perot, not Perote. I forgive ya, but you should know how to spell your candidate's name if you're gonna vote for him.

    I don't doubt that RP had some followers who couldn't find their dick with a flashlight and a compass. But, there were clearly a lot of people who voted for "Hope and Change" who couldn't either. A lot of people also supported Bush in 2004 because they were convinced that invading Iraq was the right response to 9/11. The fact that RP also had some dumbasses supporting him doesn't discredit him as a candidate. IMO, he is absolutely right in his concern about the runaway govt spending and our over involvement in other countries' internal affairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    I also liked Ross Perot.
    Ross Perot only ran to stroke his own ego. He was autofelating himself. If he was serious, he wouldn't have dropped out when he started gaining traction in the race, then gotten back in just long enough to keep GHWB from winning. He handed the presidency to Bubba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roids1 View Post
    Yeah, it's Perot, not Perote. I forgive ya, but you should know how to spell your candidate's name if you're gonna vote for him.

    I don't doubt that RP had some followers who couldn't find their dick with a flashlight and a compass. But, there were clearly a lot of people who voted for "Hope and Change" who couldn't either. A lot of people also supported Bush in 2004 because they were convinced that invading Iraq was the right response to 9/11. The fact that RP also had some dumbasses supporting him doesn't discredit him as a candidate. IMO, he is absolutely right in his concern about the runaway govt spending and our over involvement in other countries' internal affairs.
    perot was a long time ago. but with the last line about gov spending..palin is talk the same stuff she just isn't as old...but that 9-11 bush stuff they people need help.. was there in 91, did some time to stop the ethnic cleaner in the MED sea 94- 97 .. but i'm ranting
    Last edited by Dark Geared God; 02-09-2010 at 10:25 PM.

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    I just don'y think weed should be what his running for prez should be about.. but ..h welll

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    Say what??????????????

    What is ethnic cleaner? Does that rub the black off of coloured folks or some shit? What you drinking tonight mate? It sounds like it rocks compared to these natty ices!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Situation View Post
    Ron paul is a tool.
    most that want to vote for him want weed legal and believe 9-11 was done by bush...
    Supporting the legalization of marijuana is not a stance that discredits someone whatsoever... Thats a topic for another thread however =P!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roids1 View Post
    Say what??????????????

    What is ethnic cleaner? Does that rub the black off of coloured folks or some shit? What you drinking tonight mate? It sounds like it rocks compared to these natty ices!
    I was talking about Iraq and Bosnia and Herzegovina been there cleaning up the mess. i should have been more clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaullba View Post
    Supporting the legalization of marijuana is not a stance that discredits someone whatsoever... Thats a topic for another thread however =P!
    i didn't say that but when people see burnout on tv talk about weed bush, ect most are turned off..just saying..i have no problem with it but some do when they see people like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Situation View Post
    I was talking about Iraq and Bosnia and Herzegovina been there cleaning up the mess. i should have been more clear
    Got'cha. We don't need to be interveining in those affairs anymore unless other nations are gonna carry a proportionate share of the burden. We need to GTFO of Afghanistan now IMO. That's a fucking non-starter and a waste of billions and US casualties. It's not even a fucking real country. But, every US president has to have his own war, and it looks like this is gonna be Obama's war.

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    Sen. Christopher S. Bond regularly railed against President Obama's economic stimulus plan as irresponsible spending that would drive up the national debt. But behind the scenes, the Missouri Republican quietly sought more than $50 million from a federal agency for two projects in his state.
    Mr. Bond was not alone. More than a dozen Republican lawmakers, while denouncing the stimulus to the media and their constituents, privately sent letters to just one of the federal government's many agencies seeking stimulus money for home-state pork projects.
    Yes, this is the problem.

    The "cut spending" strategy won't work with people who follow politics and gov and economics - but a high percentage of voters don't.

    The GOP will spend less than the Dems, in my opinion (even though the GOP has been practicing massive spending for the past 30 years).

    Politicians will have to stand up and publicly say: that Social Security and Medicare must be cut for tens of millions.

    And if a politicians in Congress and Senate says this - will these programs actually be cut, in the end?

    I doubt it.
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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