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    And We Thunk the Republican Party Was Collapsing One Year Ago!

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    To be honest, I hope they both go belly up and our 2 party system fractures.
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    I just now saw the part about the shower room incident. He's lucky he didn't get cornholed by Rahm. That fukker is would probably have made Massa his bitch just to intimidate him into falling in line with the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    I just now saw the part about the shower room incident. He's lucky he didn't get cornholed by Rahm. That fukker is would probably have made Massa his bitch just to intimidate him into falling in line with the party.
    Wait you posted this, got all ecstatic about it without even knowing the details?

    It's that kind of partisan flagellant flailing about that get's me, like the time that crazy bitch carved a backwards B into her cheek and claimed the Neo-Messiahs Cult had worked her over, all the conservatives I knew were whooping and crying FOR SHAME! then it turned out she faked the whole thing and they were sheepishly like, oh
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    Yes, I completely support the breakdown of a nation and the suffering of millions to make you feel better that you didn't vote for Obama.

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    I'm with Dale....it is time for a third party at the very least. Neither the Dems nor the Repubs have given any of us too much to be proud of lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaMayor View Post
    I'm with Dale....it is time for a third party at the very least. Neither the Dems nor the Repubs have given any of us too much to be proud of lately.
    I'm SORT of in line with your thinking except I'm trying a different tactic; TAKE BACK THE PARTY! (In my case, the Republican Party.) The two party system isn't broken, the people running it are. Fire those worthless assholes and take the party back.
    Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALBOB View Post
    I'm SORT of in line with your thinking except I'm trying a different tactic; TAKE BACK THE PARTY! (In my case, the Republican Party.) The two party system isn't broken, the people running it are. Fire those worthless assholes and take the party back.
    I hope that is possible. i think unfortunately the middle ground is so dissatisfied with both parties that they are turning their backs on politics, leaving both parties to their respective extremes. politics have lost their statesmen. civic responsibility isn't what it was in my opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldFart
    I'm SORT of in line with your thinking except I'm trying a different tactic; TAKE BACK THE PARTY! (In my case, the Republican Party.) The two party system isn't broken, the people running it are. Fire those worthless assholes and take the party back.
    Well, that would be ideal, but.....


    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    I hope that is possible. i think unfortunately the middle ground is so dissatisfied with both parties that they are turning their backs on politics, leaving both parties to their respective extremes. politics have lost their statesmen. civic responsibility isn't what it was in my opinion
    What he said.

    I think people feel that their vote is all for nil, or are embarrassed by the behavior of those whom they voted for (as the lesser of all evils)...who are now acting like jackasses.

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    This Massa story is as odd as anything I've seen. I want to believe it's all just a media hoax like the story below....I mean this guy just keeps falling deeper into whatever pit this is he has dug himself into....


    SACRAMENTO (The Borowitz Report) – Anti-gay California State Sen. Roy Ashburn today demanded a sweeping recall of the vehicle that drove him to a gay nightclub this week.

    Sen. Ashburn, a Republican who has consistently voted for anti-gay legislation, said that the car drove him to the club “against my will.”

    “If we are recalling cars for problems with their brakes and power steering, then surely we should be recalling vehicles that force their drivers to go to gay nightclubs,” Sen. Ashburn said.

    The state senator said not only did the car drive him to the gay nightclub, but it forced him to enter the club and party there for hours, resulting in his later arrest for DUI.

    “I can’t tell you what a menace this car is,” he said. “It really is the gayest car I’ve ever seen.”

    In addition to calling for a recall of the gay car, Sen. Ashburn said he would sponsor legislation mandating that all California vehicles be fitted not only with GPS but gaydar.

    In other news, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin offered this appraisal of her standup comedy performance on The Tonight Show: “I was like, I’m not going to quit my day job, but then I remembered I already did.” More here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaMayor View Post
    Well, that would be ideal, but.....




    What he said.

    I think people feel that their vote is all for nil, or are embarrassed by the behavior of those whom they voted for (as the lesser of all evils)...who are now acting like jackasses.

    I think people USED to feel that way. But they've finally been pushed to the point they simply won't take it anymore and are fighting back. That's the whole concept behind the Tea Party movement. At least that's what I make of it.
    Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALBOB View Post
    I think people USED to feel that way. But they've finally been pushed to the point they simply won't take it anymore and are fighting back. That's the whole concept behind the Tea Party movement. At least that's what I make of it.
    That was the initial concept of the Tea Party, every day it becomes more and more an arm of the Republican party because they are for "Less Gov't", which is utter bullshit. I agree the Old Republican party was for that, but we aren't going back to the ways of old. Spend, spend, spend. It doesn't matter Republican or Democrat. Sarah Palin has been preaching fiscal responsibility, yet during her term as Governor she tried to get her family flown out to events where their presence was unnecessary, on the taxpayer's dime. And don't get me started on Obama and the Dems, I don't think I could pick one example because their are so many, although immediately re-spending the money Wall Street as soon as we got it back is a good start. This has gotten progressively worse every year since Bush bailed out Wall Street. Talk to the peasants about fiscal responsibility, then bail out Wall Street with their tax dollars. Ron Paul needs to run now, he's the only one of them with a bit of sense, but he needs to run as an independent. If he wins, hopefully that takes down the 2 party system. The role of Government should be to do what is best for the country, when parties get involved it becomes what is best for the party, and the country suffers. We need healthcare reform, we need a jobs plan, we need a way to get out of the mess we are in, and we need to do so without expanding the government or piling on more debt, but our elected officials are too busy playing political grab ass to maneuver their party in to power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
    That was the initial concept of the Tea Party, every day it becomes more and more an arm of the Republican party because they are for "Less Gov't", which is utter bullshit. I agree the Old Republican party was for that, but we aren't going back to the ways of old. Spend, spend, spend. It doesn't matter Republican or Democrat. Sarah Palin has been preaching fiscal responsibility, yet during her term as Governor she tried to get her family flown out to events where their presence was unnecessary, on the taxpayer's dime. And don't get me started on Obama and the Dems, I don't think I could pick one example because their are so many, although immediately re-spending the money Wall Street as soon as we got it back is a good start. This has gotten progressively worse every year since Bush bailed out Wall Street. Talk to the peasants about fiscal responsibility, then bail out Wall Street with their tax dollars. Ron Paul needs to run now, he's the only one of them with a bit of sense, but he needs to run as an independent. If he wins, hopefully that takes down the 2 party system. The role of Government should be to do what is best for the country, when parties get involved it becomes what is best for the party, and the country suffers. We need healthcare reform, we need a jobs plan, we need a way to get out of the mess we are in, and we need to do so without expanding the government or piling on more debt, but our elected officials are too busy playing political grab ass to maneuver their party in to power.
    That's the whole problem the 2 parties have grown so gluttonously huge that any minor movement gets devoured in the folds of fat spilling out....The Tea Party is slowly filling with right wing-nuts of the bozoest calibers....hey maybe that's not such a bad idea form dozens of little parties on the outskirts of the 2, little colostomy bags to filter out the shit of both parties until they shrink back down to their core values.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
    To be honest, I hope they both go belly up and our 2 party system fractures.
    Me, too.

    Both parties are inept, and more similar than different.

    As for the OP, yes the GOP has many divisions at the moment, and these divisions haven't been reconciled.

    What does Rahm Emanuel and Massa have to do with the GOP? Nothing, IMO.

    The Dems and Repubs play "party politics" for the sheep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Mabry View Post
    That was the initial concept of the Tea Party, every day it becomes more and more an arm of the Republican party because they are for "Less Gov't", which is utter bullshit. I agree the Old Republican party was for that, but we aren't going back to the ways of old. Spend, spend, spend. It doesn't matter Republican or Democrat. Sarah Palin has been preaching fiscal responsibility, yet during her term as Governor she tried to get her family flown out to events where their presence was unnecessary, on the taxpayer's dime. And don't get me started on Obama and the Dems, I don't think I could pick one example because their are so many, although immediately re-spending the money Wall Street as soon as we got it back is a good start. This has gotten progressively worse every year since Bush bailed out Wall Street. Talk to the peasants about fiscal responsibility, then bail out Wall Street with their tax dollars. Ron Paul needs to run now, he's the only one of them with a bit of sense, but he needs to run as an independent. If he wins, hopefully that takes down the 2 party system. The role of Government should be to do what is best for the country, when parties get involved it becomes what is best for the party, and the country suffers. We need healthcare reform, we need a jobs plan, we need a way to get out of the mess we are in, and we need to do so without expanding the government or piling on more debt, but our elected officials are too busy playing political grab ass to maneuver their party in to power.

    I really liked Ron Paul as well, not just because he was a physician, but I don't think he had a chance running as a republican,
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandaidwoman View Post
    I really liked Ron Paul as well, not just because he was a physician, but I don't think he had a chance running as a republican,
    Well, he's sure as hell not a lib/dem and running as an independent would only skim about 10% of the vote from the repubs, handing the WH over to the dems, just as Ross Perot did in 1992.

    Anyhoo, as th is scandal has unfolded, it's starting to look like this Massa guy is just bitter and has a bone to pick with Rahm and his fellow Marxists in the Dem party. Everyone already knew Rahm was an asshole and a political attack dog. That's nothing new.

    But yes, I do want the Obama admin to fail at any and all cost. It looks like that's what it will take to get this country back off of the path to stalinism that we're on now. The Great Depression was much longer and deeper than it had to be and began our descent towards of Marxism. FDR's socialist policies that prolonged the depression and in no way alleviated any of the suffering caused by 25% unemployment. Unfotunately, the attemtps to assassinate him failed, resulting in a nearly decade long depression.

    Obama is trying to implement the same policies that failed us then and are failing EU as we speak. So, yes I absolutely want him to fail. Sometimes a situation has to get worse in order to get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    Well, he's sure as hell not a lib/dem and running as an independent would only skim about 10% of the vote from the repubs, handing the WH over to the dems, just as Ross Perot did in 1992.

    Anyhoo, as th is scandal has unfolded, it's starting to look like this Massa guy is just bitter and has a bone to pick with Rahm and his fellow Marxists in the Dem party. Everyone already knew Rahm was an asshole and a political attack dog. That's nothing new.

    But yes, I do want the Obama admin to fail at any and all cost. It looks like that's what it will take to get this country back off of the path to stalinism that we're on now. The Great Depression was much longer and deeper than it had to be and began our descent towards of Marxism. FDR's socialist policies that prolonged the depression and in no way alleviated any of the suffering caused by 25% unemployment. Unfotunately, the attemtps to assassinate him failed, resulting in a nearly decade long depression.

    Obama is trying to implement the same policies that failed us then and are failing EU as we speak. So, yes I absolutely want him to fail. Sometimes a situation has to get worse in order to get better.
    Dude, you are coo coo for cocoa puffs. Enjoy the glass bubble you live in. Oh, and remember, it was Obama who started bailing out Wall Street, not Bush.
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    It was laissez faire business policies ( not socialist)t hat allowed the unbridled, unfettered almost extreme free reign of the mortgage and banking industries to dig themselves into the hole they are in now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandaidwoman View Post
    It was laissez faire business policies ( not socialist)t hat allowed the unbridled, unfettered almost extreme free reign of the mortgage and banking industries to dig themselves into the hole they are in now.
    and both parties were responsible for the bailout policies to these industries that could be considered socialist. i had trouble swallowing the numbers bush was using. i can't even comprehend what obama has continued with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    Well, he's sure as hell not a lib/dem and running as an independent would only skim about 10% of the vote from the repubs, handing the WH over to the dems, just as Ross Perot did in 1992.

    Anyhoo, as th is scandal has unfolded, it's starting to look like this Massa guy is just bitter and has a bone to pick with Rahm and his fellow Marxists in the Dem party. Everyone already knew Rahm was an asshole and a political attack dog. That's nothing new.

    But yes, I do want the Obama admin to fail at any and all cost. It looks like that's what it will take to get this country back off of the path to stalinism that we're on now. The Great Depression was much longer and deeper than it had to be and began our descent towards of Marxism. FDR's socialist policies that prolonged the depression and in no way alleviated any of the suffering caused by 25% unemployment. Unfotunately, the attemtps to assassinate him failed, resulting in a nearly decade long depression.

    Obama is trying to implement the same policies that failed us then and are failing EU as we speak. So, yes I absolutely want him to fail. Sometimes a situation has to get worse in order to get better.
    dude, you make good points and then you go so far off the deep end that any sane individual has to stop and watch you run off the ledge. bring it back a notch. you are starting to sound like that nut job limbaugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bio-chem View Post
    and both parties were responsible for the bailout policies to these industries that could be considered socialist. i had trouble swallowing the numbers bush was using. i can't even comprehend what obama has continued with.
    True, one party believes in welfare for Joe the Hedgfund Manager, one party believes in welfare for Joe the auto worker....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandaidwoman View Post
    It was laissez faire business policies ( not socialist)t hat allowed the unbridled, unfettered almost extreme free reign of the mortgage and banking industries to dig themselves into the hole they are in now.

    Some common sense regulation is fine. But, we had the congress getting involved where it had no business, passing regs to force banks to lend $ to people who clearly had no way to pay it back (i.e. home ownership is a right for everyone rather than a priviledge for those who can afford it), then Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac handing out blank cheques to these banks and mortgage companies, guaranteeing to buy up these high risk loans, what else would you expect to happen? These toxic assets spread like cancer around the globe, destroying individual portfolios, pension funds, etc.

    If the govt had stayed out and not played politics with home ownership, and allowed the banks to set their own underwritting standards, it wouldn't have been as catostrophic. There's also the Fed getting involved dropping the fed funds rate to 1% for far too long which stimulated reckless borrowing. When businesses are paying under 4% interest for working capital lines of credit, they can take on more risks and float the interest payments a lot longer.

    There's plenty of blame to go around on all sides. I don't understand how people like our Med Prof here can look at institutions like medicare, medicaid, social security, and so many other examples of how well the govt seems to fuck up everything it controls and still believe that more govt intervention is the answer. I guess when you go thru life blinded by a strict adherence to certain ideologies, it's hard to use your head. Glad you're in medicine and not setting public policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    Some common sense regulation is fine. But, we had the congress getting involved where it had no business, passing regs to force banks to lend $ to people who clearly had no way to pay it back (i.e. home ownership is a right for everyone rather than a priviledge for those who can afford it), then Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac handing out blank cheques to these banks and mortgage companies, guaranteeing to buy up these high risk loans, what else would you expect to happen? These toxic assets spread like cancer around the globe, destroying individual portfolios, pension funds, etc.
    Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

    I know when I got approved for a mortgage, I didn't got buy a house that maxed out that approval level. Sure there are many levels at fault here. But what it comes down to is retarded people, making retard financial decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    Some common sense regulation is fine. But, we had the congress getting involved where it had no business, passing regs to force banks to lend $ to people who clearly had no way to pay it back (i.e. home ownership is a right for everyone rather than a priviledge for those who can afford it), then Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac handing out blank cheques to these banks and mortgage companies, guaranteeing to buy up these high risk loans, what else would you expect to happen? These toxic assets spread like cancer around the globe, destroying individual portfolios, pension funds, etc.

    If the govt had stayed out and not played politics with home ownership, and allowed the banks to set their own underwritting standards, it wouldn't have been as catostrophic. There's also the Fed getting involved dropping the fed funds rate to 1% for far too long which stimulated reckless borrowing. When businesses are paying under 4% interest for working capital lines of credit, they can take on more risks and float the interest payments a lot longer.

    There's plenty of blame to go around on all sides. I don't understand how people like our Med Prof here can look at institutions like medicare, medicaid, social security, and so many other examples of how well the govt seems to fuck up everything it controls and still believe that more govt intervention is the answer. I guess when you go thru life blinded by a strict adherence to certain ideologies, it's hard to use your head. Glad you're in medicine and not setting public policy.
    medicare and private medical insurance is not a good way of looking at the differences between private and government.

    Medicare pays me in two weeks, no less, private insurance pays me on average in three months.
    I spend 33-50 dollars on paperwork ( hiring office staff) for every 100 dollars private insurance pays me, I spend 3 dollars for every 100 dollars medicare pays me, for the record 1/3 of my private carriers pay me less than Medicare allowable and I have had to fire 4 private carriers since none of them paid me in 1 year. ( I made more seeing medicaid since they paid me something) . So let's not go down that road. We have four doctors and 45 employees, most of them to deal with paperwork crap by the private insurers.

    The free market does not apply to private insurance. When there is less demand, they raise their prices, unlike other businesses.... wellpoint blue cross just increased theire premiums 39% on individual policies due to declining demand despite 4 billion profit. They don't respond to free market principles like other goods and services.

    I am not a socialist , someone who makes close to 300 grand is not a socialist.

    What we need is not more regulation, what we need is better regulation. That is the difference. It seems people want too much ( the current democrats) or absolutely none.
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    The point is medicare is pretty much insolvent now. It won't do you much good in 15 years if it no longer exists. If the politicians would quit playing politics with it to get votes, maybe it could be run more efficiently. Who knows.

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    for the record , much of my income is from buying commercial office property and renting them to businesses.....luckily mostly other doctors so I have not seen a dip in my income, lost a few non medical tenants but that is ok. As a professor in academia, we get paid jack shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearsMcGilf View Post
    The point is medicare is pretty much insolvent now. It won't do you much good in 15 years if it no longer exists. If the politicians would quit playing politics with it to get votes, maybe it could be run more efficiently. Who knows.
    and as a small business so is having to pay over half a million just to provide health insurance for my employees, how many small businesses like mine will become financially insolvent if their premiums go up another 178% like mine did over the last 12 years?

    Your grandchild will only afford medical insurance if they work for a large company or the government, the days of upstart, innovative small companies are going to be history, they can't afford to attract employees without health insurance

    we spend 400 billion dollars a year on paperwork for health insurance. Duke university has 500 hospital beds and five hundred coders, that is one coder for each bed, they don't have that many nurses!

    single payer with privatized subsidization of seconday insurance will be the way to go.
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