Jews

[soxmuscle]

While we're discussing people who suck, I might as well ask my question about Jews.

Jews have been persecuted since the beginning of time.

Why?

[Big Smoothy]

While we're discussing people who suck, I might as well ask my question about Jews.

Jews have been persecuted since the beginning of time.

Why?

From the Romans sacking and burning Jerusalem to the Spanish Inquisition, Progroms in Russia, and WWII.

Minority religion for one.

Other reasons, that I'd rather not get into.

Try to find the book by Alexander Sohzenitsuyn called "200 Years together" about Jews in Russia.

You won't find in on Amazon nor any where else.

The book has been censored. Like many things related to what Jews do.

[soxmuscle]

I get that it's a minority religion.

The history books blame the hate on an overwhelming feeling that people who refused to conform to christian beliefs were disloyal.

That makes a sliver of sense to me - I can see the barbarians back in the day wanting to kill some stupid heeb for not believing in what they believe, but I can't fathom that assertion holding firm for centuries upon centuries.

The history books also say that Hitler's hatred for the Jews was simply a political tactic, but I find that hard to believe as well.

If you know more about the topic, please, get into it.

[Curt James]

While we're discussing people who suck, I might as well ask my question about Jews.

Jews have been persecuted since the beginning of time.

Why?

I don't agree with the boldfaced, however, Wiki offers what I already suspected:

"In the Middle Ages Antisemitism in Europe was religious. Though not part of Roman Catholic dogma, many Christians, including members of the clergy, have held the Jewish people collectively responsible for killing Jesus."

More @ Persecution of Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But "killing Jesus" was all supposed to be part of the plan, so another question might be, "Why does God have it out for the Jews?"

[soxmuscle]

I don't actually hate Jews but I find the stereotypical Jew, which happens to be the majority of them, to be downright annoying.

Thanks for the wiki post though, I hadn't seen that whenever I've tried to tackle this issue in the past.

[bio-chem]

this goes back long before Christianity. Jews as slaves in Egypt anyone? The Jews are in my opinion the most xenophobic people on the planet. Jews do a very good job of separating themselves from the populace, even if they are integrated into it's workforce. This in my opinion brings a lot of it on. How do you accept someone when they don't accept you? for much of the history of the earth mono-theism separated them from other cultures. now even that monotheism is widely accepted in the western world it doesn't change much. Jews, Muslims, and Christians all call Abraham father, yet all three claim to be the true religion of the God of Abraham. it's a very complicated subject

[theCaptn']

jews like Big Smoothy tend to be fat, eat candy, have asthma and no friends.

take no pity

[Big Smoothy]

The history books also say that Hitler's hatred for the Jews was simply a political tactic, but I find that hard to believe as well.

If you know more about the topic, please, get into it.

I think Hitler's hatred of Jews and exterminating them was far more than a political tactic.

Hitler has "issues," that's for.

Hitler is likely of Jewish descent, as he was related to the Schickleburger family.

He had his ancestors graves in his hometown, bombed intentionally, by ordering the German army to conduct artillary exercises on the graveyard, thus destroying all of the graves.

[Big Smoothy]

"In the Middle Ages Antisemitism in Europe was religious. Though not part of Roman Catholic dogma, many Christians, including members of the clergy, have held the Jewish people collectively responsible for killing Jesus."

Also, a serious note:

Most Jews are not "semitic."

They are descendents of the Khazars, largely. The Khazars conversted to Judaism north of the Caucus regions and migrated to Eastern and Central Europed.

Also, the ADL - Anti-Defamation League - just accused Gen. Petreus of "anti-semticism" for a brief comment about unilateral and biased support for Israely by the US has casued problems with Arabic nations in the Middle East.

The ADL is a pro-Zionist organization that pretends to protect against "anti-semiticism."

Google, AIPAC, also.

AIPAC, is the Jewish lobby in the USA. One of the most powerful lobbies in the US.

[boobuddy12345]

Well, the Jews are "God's chosen..." , whch would set them up real quick.

JB

[soxmuscle]

this goes back long before Christianity. Jews as slaves in Egypt anyone? The Jews are in my opinion the most xenophobic people on the planet. Jews do a very good job of separating themselves from the populace, even if they are integrated into it's workforce. This in my opinion brings a lot of it on. How do you accept someone when they don't accept you? for much of the history of the earth mono-theism separated them from other cultures. now even that monotheism is widely accepted in the western world it doesn't change much. Jews, Muslims, and Christians all call Abraham father, yet all three claim to be the true religion of the God of Abraham. it's a very complicated subject

This is a great post.

One of the more captivating points that is brought about in my history class is how da German! economy was struggling mightily and yet Jews continued to prosper which Hitler credited to the Jews utilizing similar tactics to the ones he is now famous for in order to preserve their financial prowess.

In other words, the Jews recognized that the economy was tanking and utilized immoral tactics to ensure that they would continue to prosper, something Hitler vowed to do to preserve not only da German! financial standing but they're position as a world power as well.

Hitler blames this for the reason why World War I began.

[KelJu]

this goes back long before Christianity. Jews as slaves in Egypt anyone? The Jews are in my opinion the most xenophobic people on the planet. Jews do a very good job of separating themselves from the populace, even if they are integrated into it's workforce. This in my opinion brings a lot of it on. How do you accept someone when they don't accept you? for much of the history of the earth mono-theism separated them from other cultures. now even that monotheism is widely accepted in the western world it doesn't change much. Jews, Muslims, and Christians all call Abraham father, yet all three claim to be the true religion of the God of Abraham. it's a very complicated subject

You realize this is exactly why people don't like Mormons right?

Well, I can't argue that everything you posted isn't true, because it is. Jewish people have an extremely strong drive to maintain the strength of the Jewish people. This comes in the form of strict and rigid education for the young, demanding excellence of all children, and a strong family bonds.

That type of life will produce great mean and great monsters. Jews produce Albert Einsteins and Bernie Madoffs.

[DOMS]

this goes back long before Christianity. Jews as slaves in Egypt anyone? The Jews are in my opinion the most xenophobic people on the planet. Jews do a very good job of separating themselves from the populace, even if they are integrated into it's workforce. This in my opinion brings a lot of it on. How do you accept someone when they don't accept you?

Well put. Jews only help Jews. Which I guess is their right, but it doesn't make you any friends. Having said that, my experience with Jews in Los Angeles has generally been good.

The self-segregation theory also explains blacks in modern America.

[DOMS]

You realize this is exactly why people don't like Mormons right?

I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit. I lived in Salt Lake for years and never had this problem.

[Big Smoothy]

You realize this is exactly why people don't like Mormons right?

Well, I can't argue that everything you posted isn't true, because it is. Jewish people have an extremely strong drive to maintain the strength of the Jewish people. This comes in the form of strict and rigid education for the young, demanding excellence of all children, and a strong family bonds.

That type of life will produce great mean and great monsters. Jews produce Albert Einsteins and Bernie Madoffs.

I disagree.

Jews and Mormons cannot be compared in the context you describe and in any context.

Mormonism, is only what? 170 years old?

[KelJu]

I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit. I lived in Salt Lake for years and never had this problem.

And I call bullshit on your bullshit calling. I'm not getting into this again, because you are always going to defend anything about the Mormon's that isn't positive in your eyes just because you met a few, and you thought they were nice people.

Mormons and Jews in America are very similar. You damn well that is the truth.

[KelJu]

I disagree.

Jews and Mormons cannot be compared in the context you describe and in any context.

Mormonism, is only what? 170 years old?

Anything can be compared. I can compare you with the shit I just took, and come out with quite a few similarities.

Both have a strong sense of preserving their values.
Both have a strong family network.
Both are inclusive.
Both insist that religion is part of daily life
Both have in the past opposed marriage outside their religion, and in more fundamentalist families, still do.

Do the Mormon's not believe they are direct descendants of the House of Israel?

[Big Smoothy]

Anything can be compared. I can compare you with the shit I just took, and come out with quite a few similarities.

Both have a strong sense of preserving their values.
Both have a strong family network.
Both are inclusive.
Both insist that religion is part of daily life
Both have in the past opposed marriage outside their religion, and in more fundamentalist families, still do.

Do the Mormon's not believe they are direct descendants of the House of Israel?

Yes, anything can be compared.

But the Talmud was written 3,000 years ago.

Comparing Judaism with Mormonism is a far stretch.

Apples and Oranges.

[bio-chem]

Do the Mormon's not believe they are direct descendants of the House of Israel?

I kind of figured that comment would elicit a response. Yea, we do believe we are of the House of Israel. We also believe anyone can become of the House of Israel.

Mathew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Mormons can be viewed as separatist to a point I will concede. We do tend to gather amongst ourselves and build strong LDS communities. Having said that we are in my opinion one of the most inclusive religions that claim Abraham as our father. Our missionary work, and charitable contributions can not be denied and both of these are directed mainly outside of the Church.

[bio-chem]

Yes, anything can be compared.

But the Talmud was written 3,000 years ago.

Comparing Judaism with Mormonism is a far stretch.

Apples and Oranges.

A comparison of Mormonism/Judaism is a fun intellectual exercise in my opinion.

[KelJu]

I kind of figured that comment would elicit a response. Yea, we do believe we are of the House of Israel. We also believe anyone can become of the House of Israel.

Mathew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Mormons can be viewed as separatist to a point I will concede. We do tend to gather amongst ourselves and build strong LDS communities. Having said that we are in my opinion one of the most inclusive religions that claim Abraham as our father. Our missionary work, and charitable contributions can not be denied and both of these are directed mainly outside of the Church.

Exactly, which in and of itself isn't a bad thing. I never intended it to be when I called you out on it. I simply wanted to know whether you knew that as you were typing out why people don't like the Jews, you were also describing much of your own religious practice.

As it turns out, you did, and you knew I was going to question that. That makes me very happy.

[bio-chem]

And I call bullshit on your bullshit calling. I'm not getting into this again, because you are always going to defend anything about the Mormon's that isn't positive in your eyes just because you met a few, and you thought they were nice people.

Mormons and Jews in America are very similar. You damn well that is the truth.

living in Salt Lake for 7 years I think he met more than a few

[KelJu]

Yes, anything can be compared.

But the Talmud was written 3,000 years ago.

Comparing Judaism with Mormonism is a far stretch.

Apples and Oranges.

Well everything can't be so similar as the turd in my toilet, and your face.

[Prince]

I kind of figured that comment would elicit a response. Yea, we do believe we are of the House of Israel. We also believe anyone can become of the House of Israel.

Mathew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Mormons can be viewed as separatist to a point I will concede. We do tend to gather amongst ourselves and build strong LDS communities. Having said that we are in my opinion one of the most inclusive religions that claim Abraham as our father. Our missionary work, and charitable contributions can not be denied and both of these are directed mainly outside of the Church.

what if I prefer to be from the House of IRON?

[bio-chem]

what if I prefer to be from the House of IRON?

Mathew 6:19-21
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

















jk. I had to though. Mormons believe that the body is a temple and being healthy physically is important for spiritual health as well.

[GearsMcGilf]

Most of the tales of persecution (the holocaust being the most significant) are BS to further the jewish agenda (i.e. creation of the state of Israel, control of media, banks, etc).

[Dark Geared God]

Most of the tales of persecution (the holocaust being the most significant) are BS to further the jewish agenda (i.e. creation of the state of Israel, control of media, banks, etc).

i guess they faked killing all them jews....

[bio-chem]

Most of the tales of persecution (the holocaust being the most significant) are BS to further the jewish agenda (i.e. creation of the state of Israel, control of media, banks, etc).

a holocaust denier here at IM? now i've seen everything.

[Dark Geared God]

a holocaust denier here at IM? now i've seen everything.

[bio-chem]

They could of died from natural causes.

Was anyone there to confirm or deny this?

you mean other than the US and Russian soldiers who liberated the concentration camps, as well as the germans who admitted it?