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    5 Reasons Republicans Should Let Go of Health Care

    Reporters leaving Capitol Hill in the wee hours of Monday morning were, for the most part, heaving sighs of relief: health care reform had – finally! -- passed, a vote for the history books. However imperfect, the deed was done, the fat lady had sung. A day later and Republicans seem not to have gotten the memo: they are attacking the bill as ferociously as they did before it passed. Repeal it, they're saying; strike it down in the courts; and in the Senate, the reconciliation fixes may die a death of a thousand amendments.
    Health care reform has been a rich vein for the GOP. Think back to the August town hall meetings and Sarah Palin's death panels. Indeed, polls show the bill is incredibly unpopular – which is why Dems are more than happy to move on to jobs, the economy, and more jobs. But, keeping the bill in the forefront of news doesn't come without risk to the GOP. Here are five reasons this could be a losing argument for Republicans:

    1. What happens when, as President Obama put it to the Democratic House Caucus on Saturday, “lo and behold nobody is pulling the plug on granny”?
    The way many protestors (and some Republicans) were talking over the weekend you'd think passage of the bill represented an end of days: better stock up on canned goods because communism is a hair's breadth away. “If we pass this bill, there will be no turning back,” Minority Leader John Boehner thundered on the House floor just before the vote. “It will be the last straw for the American people.”
    When Obama signs the bill into law, as he's expected to later this morning, the system will actually see very little immediate upheaval. The bulk of the bill won't come into effect until 2014 and the changes right off the bat are politically targeted to, well, essentially make people feel good: children with preexisting conditions will not longer be denied health insurance, the so-called Medicare Part D donut hole will be fixed meaning lowers drug prices for seniors, a ban on lifetime insurance caps. If the sky does fall, it won't until three elections cycles from now -- pretty anti-climatic for those bracing for the worst.

    2. Repeal the bill?
    Many Republicans this morning are calling for the bill to be repealed -- a politically popular statement with the base, to be sure. But to repeal such a massive piece of legislation they would need a 60-vote majority in the Senate as well as control of the House. The odds of this happening before 2014 are slim. Not impossible, mind you, but I wouldn't put money on it. And after 2014, are you really going to strip 32 million Americans of their health care insurance in order to start over? That seems politically tough.

    3. In opposing reconciliation the GOP would, in some cases, be opposing things that they, um, actually like.
    Yes, there are plenty of things in the reconciliation amendments that Republicans hate: there's an addition $50 billion in tax hikes, some new sweetheart deals such as the Bismarck Bank Job* and it's more expensive than the Senate bill.
    But, there's also a lot the Republicans like in the amendments: they strip out of the Cornhusker Kickback and the Florida Flim Flam deals, tighten overpayments to private insurance companies, increase fees on drug companies and they have more stringent provisions on waste, fraud and abuse in Medicare and Medicaid. Plus, according to the Congressional Budget Office, they go farther than the Senate bill in reducing the deficit: $143 billion in the first 10 years and $1.3 trillion in the second decade.
    *Apologies, the Bismarck deal was stripped by the House Rules Committee.

    4. The courts have a long history of federal law taking precedent over state laws: ahem, Medicare and Medicaid.
    Google “Medicare Medicaid challenged in courts” and you get more than a million hits. Both programs have been sued so much by states on down that there are whole practices that specialize in such cases. And yet both programs are still functioning in all 50 states. Most constitutional lawyers expect legal challenges of this bill will end up much the same way as most previous 9th and 10th amendment cases have: that the federal law would stand.

    5. The ‘Party of No' label.
    As Adam Nagourney notes in today's New York Times, this is the most immediate risk for Republicans ahead of the 2010 elections. Dragging out reconciliation for weeks or months has the potential to reinforce that stereotype. “Republicans appear to believe that obstructing any aspect of the President's health reform agenda will pay electoral dividends,” says Thomas Mann, a congressional scholar at the left-leaning Brookings Institution. “They may well be deluding themselves. If they choose to follow a course of filibuster by amendment, I suspect the presiding officer will put them out of their misery after a few days.” Indeed, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's office has said they expect the amendments to pass by the time the chamber breaks for Easter recess on Friday (and, just in case, Reid can force an end to proceedings). But, on the heels of Senator Jim Bunning's disastrous one-man filibuster, some Dems I spoke with wouldn't mind seeing the Republicans filibuster by amendment for a good long while. And in the meantime, Reid's office tells me they plan on putting lots of human faces on health care this week and what this means to so-and-so's sick granny or child.

    In some ways this debate is now more about spin than substance: racing to define the bill in the public's mind before it fades from view. And, truth be told, no one will know for sure how the bill will play at the polls until voters actually go to the polls.


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    highlighted parts of the new law that go into effect this year, including tax credits for small businesses, coverage for children with preexisting conditions and a ban on ending coverage for people who become sick.

    It also allows young adults to stay on their parents' policies until age 26 and provides a $250 Medicare prescription drug rebate for seniors.



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    from his blog, that is because this is a republican plan.

    "Conservatives and Republicans today suffered their most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s.

    It’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the disaster."
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    "But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994."
    So the plan is more or less what their own party wanted in 1993-1994, but its passage is now a disaster?

    And WHY did they choose to oppose it so militantly if they actually agreed with most of its tenets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandaidwoman View Post
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    from his blog, that is because this is a republican plan.



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    So the plan is more or less what their own party wanted in 1993-1994, but its passage is now a disaster?

    And WHY did they choose to oppose it so militantly if they actually agreed with most of its tenets?
    Like it states in the article above...the GOP is now the party of no, they were against the bailout money yet they were the first one in line with their hands out.
    Anything to bring Obama down.

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    It's a cluster fuck for both parties. Obama had to gut it for the moderate Dems and the Republicans. The Republicans had to take what they could get even if the overall bill is crap.

    The biggest loser is the people. The winners are the those that don't make any appreciable amount of money and the illegal Mexicans.

    It's my understanding that part of the health care system is that you can't check a person's citizenship. If that's true, the river of American-destroying Mexicans is going to turn into a torrent that'll destroy whatever the bill doesn't.


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    The illegals get free medical. I believe a hospital can not refuse anyone if they go into the emergency room.
    Next time you pass by a hospital you'll see what I mean. It's not just the MExicans.

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    The losers have been the middle class, the poor get free medical already through Medicaid or welfare...whichever one they use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    The illegals get free medical. I believe a hospital can not refuse anyone if they go into the emergency room.
    Next time you pass by a hospital you'll see what I mean. It's not just the MExicans.
    It's called the EMTALA laws
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    We pay for that......I lost my medical coverage a while back and as luck would have it I broke my collar bone and without it I amassed huge medical bills.
    I lost it when we were switching over to a new plan (which the company did every year) I told the agent that I want to look it over, he said OK...just return it the ext day.
    Jerk screwed me because I had to sign it right then and there if not I would have to wait a whole year. I talked to my bosses about it but they didn't care, they saved a lot of money.
    Sons of bitches let go of 3 guys because they were using their medical a little too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    The illegals get free medical. I believe a hospital can not refuse anyone if they go into the emergency room.
    Next time you pass by a hospital you'll see what I mean. It's not just the MExicans.
    And now you know and knowing is half the battle
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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
    We pay for that......I lost my medical coverage a while back and as luck would have it I broke my collar bone and without it I amassed huge medical bills.
    I lost it when we were switching over to a new plan (which the company did every year) I told the agent that I want to look it over, he said OK...just return it the ext day.
    Jerk screwed me because I had to sign it right then and there if not I would have to wait a whole year. I talked to my bosses about it but they didn't care, they saved a lot of money.
    Sons of bitches let go of 3 guys because they were using their medical a little too much.
    damn what company was this...
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    Quote Originally Posted by min0 lee View Post
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    Sons of bitches let go of 3 guys because they were using their medical a little too much.
    This is one of many reasons while medical insurance should have nothing to do with employement. It should be like car insurance. You shop for it on your own, and the various agencies compete for your business. It should be a two party deal. You and them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Situation View Post
    damn what company was this...
    Originally we worked for Motorola but during a golf game among CEO's from other companies one guy had mentioned how much money he saves by having another company take over the labor end of the company...he gets lets say 50% of the profit and he no longer pays for our benefits.
    Our CEO thought it was a great idea, so come christmas we were layed off but we still did jobs for them but another company will pay us.
    We got screwed.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pirate! View Post
    This is one of many reasons while medical insurance should have nothing to do with employement. It should be like car insurance. You shop for it on your own, and the various agencies compete for your business. It should be a two party deal. You and them.
    That sounds like a good idea, only thing is the insurance companies would have to charge us a reasonable amount.

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