Trying to find the right PCT
Trying to find the right PCT
I have a couple questions about the pct on my next cycle I am planning. I was a lost soul a couple years ago when I used to cycle. I had never really done "hard" research about cycling aas. Meaning that I would listen to so-called gurus on the fact and from doing my research these last 2 years I found out that I was really playing with fire. The "gurus" had never mentioned anything about PCT or anything of the like, but I am a man and take all responsibility on myself for taking someones word and not researching myself. First off I started when I was young. I did 2 cycles when I was 21 and then I havent done it since. I saw great gains and by the grace of God I never had any negative sides except lowered sex drive which I recovered about 3 months after each cycle. At the time I knew the substance only as Test. I never knew of any other type of AAS or that there were different esters of test or even what an ester was. I felt I was really naive at the time and refuse to be blind again. After doing alot of research I feel that I am ready to step on the field again and do it correctly. I am now 26 and have been lifting avidly for the last two years. I am 6ft and about 240 lbs and figure my bodyfat is about 13%-14%. Before the last two years I had taken about 18 mos off from lifting after I broke my ankle playing football.
My diet consists of about 7 meals a day.
8am 2 bowls of oats, and 2 eggs. 2 servings of milk
10am Protein bar 2 servings of milk
12pm Usually beans rice and pork, chicken, steak 2 servings of milk
2pm Almonds and Granola Cereal 2 servings of milk
4pm pre wo shake and tuna 2 servings of milk
6pm Post wo shake and 4 hb eggs 2 servings of milk
8pm Beans Rice pork, chicken, steak 2 servings of milk
I drink about a gallon and a half of water a day and 1 day during the week I gorge on whatever I want to eat mainly consisting of alot of carbs and green vegetables. I eat multivitamin and ZMA daily.
For my workout routine for this cycle will be compound workout in a 7x7 german volume training.
I want my cycle to consist of:
TP-10 weeks at 100mg eod
TA-first 8 weeks at 50mg eod
My biggest problem is finding proper PCT. I want everything to be correct because I feel like I have pushed my luck to the limit. I feel that now that I know better and were to neglect PCT murphy's law would get me. There are so many rules, and theories to the subject.
I have gotten as far as:
A-dex-.5mg ed for 4 weeks
HCG thru out the cycle starting at week 2 500 iu's ew until week 10 of cycle
I know it seems that I havent gotten very far, and I would add Nolva but from what I read it isnt a good idea to mix the substances of nolva and tren. I would use clomid but it seems inferior to nolva. I really appreciate any info and criticism. I know that my past experiences were dodgy but I cant change the past. All I can do is take proper precautions for the future. Thanks again guys for reading my book. LOL
I tried to answer all questions that I read in the stickies before posting for cycle advice.
Sorry If I missed any rules.
Drop the tren since this is your first cycle in ages.
Does anyone have any parts to my PCT puzzle
First I would like to commend you for the research you have done thus far and on your very well put together diet plan. But I have to question your choice of compounds. As was mentioned tren can be very tricky even for people who have used it before. Besides that with the tren and prop thats a hell of a lot of pinning, are you up for all those shots? You may be better off with long esters like test-E or cyp. Non the less your question was about PCT. There are some good sticky's on this but I will give you my ideas. Most run a PCT for 4-6 weeks. Some start with their clomid higher the first week or two and then taper down to 50mgs for the remainder. On the nolvadex from my readings I have concluded that more than 20mgs has no extra benefit. So your basic PCT could be like this...100mgs clomid, first week and then 50mgs clomid for another four weeks. Nolvadex 20mgs for all four weeks and if you like another week at 10mgs just to taper down. You will find after more research of your own that some just use clomid by itself while other use clomid at higher doses say 150, 100 and then go to 50. But I think what I layed out for you is pretty basic and should work well. The prop is great for a kicker. Just my opinion and food for thought bro.
Thanks alot Roaddkingg. I will try to elaborate on the reasoning on the compounds I have chosen and my method of use. The TP and TA were chosen for short esters. Should I run tren weeks 2-8 to pinpoint any side effects to tren? I chose to pin the ace eod to keep the amount of tren in my body as consistent as possible which I have read helps reduce sides. I would pin everyday if it would help reduce sides but I feel that eod should be sufficient.
imo the tren is at a very low dose for eod. the pct that roadking gave is right on and he knows his stuff. i would u run the hcg e5d instead of every 7. but make sure you explain the short ester, because i think it would be easier to use longer esters and drop the tren. it makes sense that you want the short ester for tren in case of negative sides. but between the hcg prop and tren thats alot of pinning!
good luck bro
I read your reply and went back and re-read your plan for a 10 week cycle and I still dont quite understand your reasoning. Your theory is you want to do short esters for the entire cycle as you were saying if you get sides you can determine whats causeing them. It seems to me (IMO) you could use the prop for a while in the beginning like say 4-6 weeks along with say test-E or cyp would make a good cycle. Then at the end while you have a 14 day window as the test ester is clearing you could hit the prop again right up until day before your PCT starts. You would be getting the best of everything here without the tren and a whole hell of a lot less pins. I believe you said you were going to do 500iu's total of HCG throughout. Thats good 250iu's 2x per week. Starting in week two. Perhaps someone who has done tren and prop together for a entire cycle can give you better advice but I am a firm believer that longer ester compounds are more of a body builders friend. Short esters are great for fronts or rears. With what I have layed out here you most likely would not get any bad sides as long as you had your ai's in place.
I have done long cycles with short esters all the way through. Only "disadvantage" was the ED/EOD pinning.
Ok well I am going to drop the tren and going to go with your plan Roaddkingg.
Looks to me that you are doing a couple of things correctly. You did some nice research before posting, and you are listening to the advice presented here. Hope your cycle goes well-good luck!
With an open mind like that you will have no problem succeeding bro. Good luck and keep us posted!
Thanks again to all who helped.
You'r very welcome
Now that you have decided on a cycle plan make sure you have quality test-E or cyp and figure out your doses. Since this is really your first well put together cycle perhaps 500mgs per week divided in two pins would work. OR..since you are doing the prop along with the test Eor cyp for the first 4-6 weeks perhaps one pin of that with your other splits of prop could save you some pinning in the beginning and then after the prop fronts you could go back to the double pins for the test-E or cyp. Now have you decided are you going to use arimadex or aromasin? Adex can be used EOD while aromasin has to be used daily. Figure that dose out correctly. Adex could be .5 Ed or EOD. Most people find that aromasin at 25mgs works best while others can get away with 12.5. You figure all that out. Then make certain you have all thats needed for a proper PCT. Clomid and nolvadex are what I use together. Some just like to use clomid by itself but remember with high doses of clomid you can have sides. I'm doing mine presently at 50mgs, 4 weeks, nolvadex 20mgs 4 weeks and then a taper for another week at 10mgs. This is all personal choice and some start with their clomid much higher. Read up my friend and you make these decisions and make adjustments where needed.
x2 you seem to doing everything very intelligently. i wish more newbies would read this post its a great example of how to research and then put up a quality post with great advice given by our vet members.
good luck bro
Originally Posted by MDR
Sorry for not responding sooner. I have had to work some crazy hours and dont go to this board at work.
Here is what I have derived from the sound advice given:
ADEX .25-.50 ran throughout weeks 1-12
TP- EOD 100mgs
TE- E3D 250mgs
HCG- E3D 250iu
TE- E3D 250mgs
TP- EOD 100mgs
PCT Starting Week 13-16
CLOMID 100/50/50/20 adjusted depending on recovery
Any other adjustments needed?
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