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    Building with Maxi-Drol, and Maxi-Test............

    Ok, so this is my log on these 2 supps. that are designed to be used together in a certain way. Starting on Maxi-Drol, and mid-way through the cycle starting Maxi-Test for pct, and natural test production. Will post results, and overall general condition everyday, including after workout, so stay tuned, and give feedback.

    Last training session......
    Chest, Shoulders, Tris............

    Bench 4x4-6(210lbs.)
    Incline Dumbell 4x4-10(75 lb. bells)
    Incline Flyes 4x10-12(30 lb. bells)
    Barbell Shoulder Press 4x6-10(105 lbs.)
    Dumbell Press 4x6-10(50 lb. bells)
    Dumbell Upright Rows 3x6-12(35 lb. bells)
    Bent-Over One-Arm Lateralls 3x15(15 lb. dumbell)
    Weighted Dips 4x10(body+35 lbs.)
    Machine Dips 4x6-10(135 lbs.)
    Lying Dumbell Extentions 3xfail(20 lb. bells)

    Notes: Not many workouts under my belt, but noticed better pumps, and endurance with the 1st supp. It's a cycly, and I'm started the Maxi-Test halfway though. Only a few days or so into supplementation.

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    welcome to IM

    how many calories are you eating?

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    Back, Bi's.........6/9/10

    Wide-Grip Pullups 3xfail(bodyweight)
    Neutral-Grip Pullups 2xfail(body)
    Chins 2xfail(body)
    Wide-Grip Negatives 1x8(10 sec. descent)
    Neutral-Grip Negs 1x8(10 sec. descent)
    Reverse-Grip Negs 1x8(10 sec. descent)
    Bent-Over Barbell Rows 4x8-10(135 lbs.)
    Neutral-Grip Cable Rows 4x6-10(140 lbs.)
    Dumbell-Rows 4x6-10(55 lbs.)
    Barbell Curls 2x6-10(65 lbs.)
    Reverse-Grip Barbell Curls 2x6-8(bars=45 lbs.)
    Dumbell Curls 3x6-12(25 lbs.)

    Done!

    Notes: was gonna do abs also, but not enough time left, so I had to go. Overall feeling good. Good pumps, and weight went up on bent-over rows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m11 View Post
    welcome to IM

    how many calories are you eating?
    I'm not sure actually. I've only been counting macro's, and have been experimenting with carb cycling. Well just started anyway. Maybe I should only go with a bulking diet for this supp. cycle. You think?

    Training days are like this,
    Carbs- 2-3g per pound
    pro- 1-1.5g per pound
    fat- as low as possible
    Non training days,
    Carbs- .5-1.5g per pound
    pro- 1.25-1.5g per pound
    fat- .15-.35g per pound
    Last edited by prettyboy; 06-10-2010 at 02:47 PM.

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    Leg, Calves, Abs.......6/11/10

    Smith-Machine Squats 4x6-12(305 lbs.)
    Deadlifts 4x6-10(245 lbs.)
    Dumbell Lunges 3x6-10(100 lbs.)
    Leg-Extentions 3x10-20(110 lbs.)
    Leg-Curls 3x10-15(90 lbs.)
    Machine Calf Presses 4xfail(90 lbs.)
    One-Legged Calf Raises 3xfail(25 lb. bell)
    Crunch 3xfail(body)
    Standing-Cable rotation 3x15(25 lbs.)
    Hanging-Leg raises 2xfail

    Done!

    Notes: Good energy throughout workout, 3 plates a side for 6 on squats, which is a pr. Other than that, nothing new to report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettyboy View Post
    Smith-Machine Squats 4x6-12(305 lbs.)
    Deadlifts 4x6-10(245 lbs.)
    Dumbell Lunges 3x6-10(100 lbs.)
    Leg-Extentions 3x10-20(110 lbs.)
    Leg-Curls 3x10-15(90 lbs.)
    Machine Calf Presses 4xfail(90 lbs.)
    One-Legged Calf Raises 3xfail(25 lb. bell)
    Crunch 3xfail(body)
    Standing-Cable rotation 3x15(25 lbs.)
    Hanging-Leg raises 2xfail

    Done!

    Notes: Good energy throughout workout, 3 plates a side for 6 on squats, which is a pr. Other than that, nothing new to report.
    Pretty soon I might start taking measurements.

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    Smith squats, upright rows, leg extensions and leg curls; crunches to failure...you don't know your calories - wow. You'd get better results simply by knowing how to train and eat. You WANT you fats low? Why?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Built View Post
    Smith squats, upright rows, leg extensions and leg curls; crunches to failure...you don't know your calories - wow. You'd get better results simply by knowing how to train and eat. You WANT you fats low? Why?
    Honestly it's a diet scheme I read out of muscle&fitness mag that I am using to gain lean weight. Haven't been on it for more than 4 days now. I suppose the fat in your diet is much more easily stored when carbs are highly present in your diet, according to the article.

    Did you mention all those exercises because of the volume and not knowing my cals.? I woulda thought that as long as my macro's were in order, I didn't need to know my exact cals. Is this wrong?

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    Ahhh, I see now. Fitness magazines exist for one purpose: to sell product. They sell advertising copy, and their own line of supplements.

    Your workout is not based around heavy free weight movements, but rather, isolation lifts.

    You can't gain only lean - unless you're a complete novice. Dietary fats are necessary for proper endocrine function. Testosterone is a steroid hormone, and steroids require cholesterol for their manufacture. See the link? Cholesterol, steroid.

    Humour me? Click the link in my sig on "getting started" and report back with your calories and macros.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Built View Post
    Ahhh, I see now. Fitness magazines exist for one purpose: to sell product. They sell advertising copy, and their own line of supplements.

    Your workout is not based around heavy free weight movements, but rather, isolation lifts.

    You can't gain only lean - unless you're a complete novice. Dietary fats are necessary for proper endocrine function. Testosterone is a steroid hormone, and steroids require cholesterol for their manufacture. See the link? Cholesterol, steroid.

    Humour me? Click the link in my sig on "getting started" and report back with your calories and macros.
    I know this about the fats already, but I decided to try this cuz I'm kinda on a poor mans budget, and can't afford to spend to much on food, but how is my entire workout revovved around isolations?

    I know some of the movements are, but I still have basic big movements for the start of most of my workouts. What should I rearrange?

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    BTW your supplement is a halodrol clone, isn't it? Seems underdosed.

    That maxi test stuff is just tribulus with some other herb. Neither ingredient will increase your testosterone (although trib might help you get a stiffie if you're over forty)





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    Quote Originally Posted by Built View Post
    BTW your supplement is a halodrol clone, isn't it? Seems underdosed.

    That maxi test stuff is just tribulus with some other herb. Neither ingredient will increase your testosterone (although trib might help you get a stiffie if you're over forty)
    lol! I don't have any probalems in that department yet. Hopefully never. I don't know about it being a clone of anything, since I'm not a afficionado on steroid supps. neccesarily, but it does seem to be taking effect now, and my strength is starting to go up more, but I guess it's foolish to cut out the fats.. I dunno if it's underdosed, but this is good for me anyhow, cuz I don't want the sides to be too dramatic. Have you tried any types of juice?

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    Poor man's budget? You blew over a hundred bucks on magic beans. Olive oil is cheap.

    Your current workout - okay, lessee....

    Smith-Machine Squats 4x6-12(305 lbs.) ***Drop these entirely, only do free, below-parallel barbell squats
    Deadlifts 4x6-10(245 lbs.)*** these are fine, but reduce the rep range. I keep deads to no more than 5-reps most of the time.
    Dumbell Lunges 3x6-10(100 lbs.)***these are fine
    Leg-Extentions 3x10-20(110 lbs.)***ditch these entirely
    Leg-Curls 3x10-15(90 lbs.)*** ditch these and do Romanian deadlifts and or good mornings.
    Machine Calf Presses 4xfail(90 lbs.)***why to failure? Make sure you pause at the bottom of each rep for three seconds btw
    One-Legged Calf Raises 3xfail(25 lb. bell)***same advise as above
    Crunch 3xfail(body)***do 'em weighted, 3 sets of 8-12 reps. That's it.
    Standing-Cable rotation 3x15(25 lbs.)***I don't know what this is
    Hanging-Leg raises 2xfail*** no need to go to failure, there's no real benefit unless it's some sports-specific thing

    Wide-Grip Pullups 3xfail(bodyweight)***Never grip wider than shoulder width. Narrow grip builds back. Wide grip builds rotator cuff damage and minimizes lat development.
    Neutral-Grip Pullups 2xfail(body)**why to failure?

    How about this

    Weighted chins: 5x5
    Unweighted chins: 3x8

    Chins 2xfail(body)***enough of this failure crap. It's probably counterproductive to you right now
    Wide-Grip Negatives 1x8(10 sec. descent)***I don't know why you're doing all this wide grip stuff.
    Neutral-Grip Negs 1x8(10 sec. descent)
    Reverse-Grip Negs 1x8(10 sec. descent)

    Bent-Over Barbell Rows 4x8-10(135 lbs.)**try chest supported t-bars
    Dumbell-Rows 4x6-10(55 lbs.)**do these before the cables and go heavy as hell
    Neutral-Grip Cable Rows 4x6-10(140 lbs.)

    ***I'd do the bicep work on a chest/push day
    Barbell Curls 2x6-10(65 lbs.)
    Reverse-Grip Barbell Curls 2x6-8(bars=45 lbs.)
    Dumbell Curls 3x6-12(25 lbs.)


    Bench 4x4-6(210lbs.)
    Incline Dumbell 4x4-10(75 lb. bells)
    Incline Flyes 4x10-12(30 lb. bells)
    ***
    I'd move the shoulder work to a day when you're not working chest.

    Maybe pair chest with bis, and shoulders with legs

    Barbell Shoulder Press 4x6-10(105 lbs.)
    Dumbell Press 4x6-10(50 lb. bells)
    Dumbell Upright Rows 3x6-12(35 lb. bells)***horrible movement. Never do these again. Please.
    Bent-Over One-Arm Lateralls 3x15(15 lb. dumbell)
    Weighted Dips 4x10(body+35 lbs.)
    Machine Dips 4x6-10(135 lbs.)
    Lying Dumbell Extentions 3xfail(20 lb. bells)

    Too much isolation work. Waaaay too much.

    Only one leg day with all this upper work? Two leg days and two upper days, or two combo upper/lower days might work better.

    Maybe

    Quads, shoulders, lats
    Hams, chest, biceps
    Quads, arms, calves
    Hams, back, tris

    Something like that

    A nice combo I like for workouts is to start with a heavy compound and then follow with isolation.

    For instance,

    Heavy bench 5x5
    Dumbbell bench 3x8

    Heavy barbell squats 5x5
    Leg press or lunges 3x8

    Just some ideas.





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    Not trying to argue or anything, and maybe your right about way too many isolations, but this is what you suggested:

    Heavy bench 5x5
    Dumbbell bench 3x8

    Heavy barbell squats 5x5
    Leg press or lunges 3x8

    Now if I'm not mistaken, being that heavy compound moves are exercises that take place at more than 1 joint, wouldn't that make Dumbell Presses, and Leg Presses or Lunges compound moves, and not isolation? Not that they don't work however.

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    Yes, and I tend to prefer them to isolations.

    You can't go as heavy with a dumbbell press as you can with a barbell press (more freedom at the joint, more work to stabilize) so I like dumbbell press after barbell press.

    Listen, why don't you just do the full body workout in the link in my sig three days a week for a week or two while you sort out your diet and figure out how to train by reading some of the stickies. Cowpimp and Gazhole have some excellent stickies you can read for more on this.

    And promise me you'll stop buying muscle&fatness, and all those over-hyped supplements, until you know what it all means, okay?





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