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    Mexico asks for probe into teen's shooting death by U.S. border agent

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    Shooting followed rock-throwing at Border Patrol agent, FBI says

    Teen's death was the second at the hands of U.S. border authorities in less than two weeks

    14-year-old boy was killed by U.S. border agent, Mexican official says

    FBI confirms Border Patrol agent in El Paso, Texas, shot someone

    By Arthur Brice, CNN
    June 8, 2010 5:29 p.m. EDT

    The Mexican government is requesting a quick and transparent investigation into the fatal shooting by a U.S. Border Patrol agent of a Mexican teen in Ciudad Juarez on Monday night, the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.

    The teen was shot during a rock-throwing incident, Mexican and U.S. officials said.

    Mexico "reiterates that the use of firearms to repel a rock attack represents a disproportionate use of force, particularly coming from authorities who receive specialized training on the matter," the Foreign Ministry said Tuesday in a news release.

    The teen's death was the second at the hands of U.S. border authorities in less than two weeks.

    Monday night's incident started around 6:30 p.m. when Customs and Border Protection Border Patrol agents responded to a report of a group of suspected illegal immigrants being smuggled into the United States near the Paso del Norte port of entry, FBI Special Agent Andrea Simmons said.

    A suspect identified as Oscar Ivan Pineda Ayala was initially detained on the Rio Grande levy, said the FBI, which is leading the investigation.

    "Another agent arrived on his bicycle along the cement apron that forms the riverbank on the U.S. side," Simmons said in a release. "That agent detained a second subject, Augustin Alcaraz Reyes, but other subjects ran into Mexico and began to throw rocks at the agent.

    "This agent, who had the second subject detained on the ground, gave verbal commands to the remaining subjects to stop and retreat," Simmons said.

    "However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."

    Simmons told CNN earlier that she did not know whether the person who was shot was on the Mexican or U.S. side of the border, but that the agent never left U.S. territory.

    The body was found on the Mexican side of the border, Simmons said. Ciudad Juarez spokesman Sergio Belmonte identified the dead 14-year-old boy as secondary student Sergio Adrian Hernandez Huereca.

    Belmonte said Hernandez was shot in the head. "The young man was not armed," Belmonte said. "He did not have the physical size to threaten anyone. The aggression (by the U.S. agent) is evident."

    The shooting occurred underneath the Black Bridge, a railroad span that connects the two countries, the Mexican official said.

    The FBI said the "area where this incident occurred is a known high-risk crime area where rocks are regularly thrown at Border Patrol agents and where other assaults have been reported."

    The FBI, which has jurisdiction in any assault on a federal officer, is leading the U.S. investigation with assistance from the El Paso Police Department, the Border Patrol and other federal agencies, Simmons said.

    The shooting comes less than two weeks after the May 31 death of a Mexican illegal immigrant who had been detained three days earlier by border agents in California.

    San Diego police, who are investigating the death of Anastasio Hernandez, said he was beaten with a baton and shot with a stun gun after he became combative.

    California medical officials ruled his death a homicide. The investigation in that case continues.

    Mexican officials complained Tuesday that they see an increasing trend. "The growing frequency of this type of event reflects a worrisome increment in the use of excessive force on the part of some border authorities," the Foreign Ministry said.

    According to the ministry, the number of Mexicans who have been killed or wounded by U.S. border authorities has increased from five in 2008 to 12 in 2009 and 17 so far this year.

    Mark Qualia, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, said he could not comment because he does not know where the Mexican government obtained its statistics.

    But Qualia noted there were 799 assaults on border agents from October 1, 2009, through May 31. There were 745 assaults for the same time period in 2007-08 and 658 for the same span in 2008-09, he said.

    Lethal force, he said, is allowed "when an agent is in imminent threat of physical or bodily harm which could cause death or injury or in protection of an innocent third party."

    The determination when to use lethal force, Qualia said, is made by each individual agent at the scene.

    From October 1 through May 31, he said, Custom and Border Protection agents have used their firearms 31 times.

    Rock-throwing can be considered a dangerous assault, Qualia said: "They're not chunking pebbles."

    (CNN's Nick Castillo contributed to this report.)

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    One question I have is that if "rocks are regularly thrown at Border Patrol agents" then why don't they have, like, serious freaking helmets with face masks, maybe some body armor, or simply step out of pitching range?

    "You threw a rock at me! I KEEL YOU NOW!!!" Wtf?

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    Fine, the chewie authorities want it looked into. We'll get on it as soon as they start looking into the 12 Americans killed by illegals every day.


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    yea cuz no one has ever been killed by a rock and they wouldn't have taken his gun if a rock knocked him out....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post

    "However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."

    So if they surrounded him and he never left the US side, they were here illegally again.

    Depending how many actually surrounded him, defending himself may have been just.

    When I grew up we respected the authorities, maybe if people taught their kids the same then shit like this wouldn't happen.

    My parents would have beat my ass if they found out I was throwing rocks at the cops. And I would have known better than to ever do it again.

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    When did the US-Mex border become the Gaza Strip? You throw a rock at a person with a gun or a tank you're probably going to regret it for about 2 seconds.....Hey let's throw rocks and piss off those guys with guns....sounds like Darwinism in action once again....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    One question I have is that if "rocks are regularly thrown at Border Patrol agents" then why don't they have, like, serious freaking helmets with face masks, maybe some body armor, or simply step out of pitching range?

    "You threw a rock at me! I KEEL YOU NOW!!!" Wtf?
    They are hired to patrol the border, getting out of range would require they leave their post, thus failing to do their job. If they make it the tactic to move well out of range of rock throwing next they'll come with sling shots and push the agents way back while dozens of their countrymen swarm across the border....
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    what would happen at other borders?

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    Fuck 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Wing View Post
    what would happen at other borders?
    I heard they hand out ice cream cones and candy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    "However, the subjects surrounded the agent and continued to throw rocks at him. The agent then fired his service weapon several times, striking one subject who later died."

    Curt, I am normally in agreement with most of your posts, but surrounding someone and pelting them with rocks is a fairly standard execution style in many countries. This guy was in immediate danger and reacted to protect himself.

    Put yourself in his shoes. Its dark, you are arresting someone and doing your job, a group of men surround you throwing rocks at you, you order them to stop, and they just get more aggressive, you have no help anywhere near by, and your life is in danger. There are more of them than you can attack in a physical confrontation. What would you do?

    The guy is already punishing himself for killing a kid. Without being there, I guarantee he just shot at the first person he drew on. If it had been an adult, no one would even say anything about it. The adults that were allowing that child to be involved with a violent crime like this should be the ones shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Fine, the chewie authorities want it looked into. We'll get on it as soon as they start looking into the 12 Americans killed by illegals every day.
    Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

    From Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily (Posted: November 28, 2006)

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    But killing US citizens is okay because the killers are illegal Mexicans. Somewhere somebody confused diplomatic immunity with illegal alien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmorrison View Post
    Curt, I am normally in agreement with most of your posts, but surrounding someone and pelting them with rocks is a fairly standard execution style in many countries. This guy was in immediate danger and reacted to protect himself.

    Put yourself in his shoes. Its dark, you are arresting someone and doing your job, a group of men surround you throwing rocks at you, you order them to stop, and they just get more aggressive, you have no help anywhere near by, and your life is in danger. There are more of them than you can attack in a physical confrontation. What would you do?

    The guy is already punishing himself for killing a kid. Without being there, I guarantee he just shot at the first person he drew on. If it had been an adult, no one would even say anything about it. The adults that were allowing that child to be involved with a violent crime like this should be the ones shot.
    He wasn't alone, was he?

    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    Monday night's incident started around 6:30 p.m. when Customs and Border Protection Border Patrol agents responded
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    Regardless, I do agree that if you throw rocks at cops then you shouldn't be surprised when you find yourself with a baton up your...

    Or, yeah, shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod View Post
    But killing US citizens is okay because the killers are illegal Mexicans. Somewhere somebody confused diplomatic immunity with illegal alien.
    NO ONE is saying that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt James View Post
    Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That's 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

    From Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily (Posted: November 28, 2006)
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    Lesson;

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    ^Good point.

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    Ten years later, any improvement?

    Pressing Reno for body armor

    Border Patrol claims 4,000 agents without adequate protection

    Posted: June 07, 2000
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    By Jon E. Dougherty

    The National Border Patrol Council has made an appeal to the Department of Justice for more body armor for Border Patrol agents, thousands of whom, the union says, are currently on the job without adequate protection.

    The appeal, made in a letter to Attorney General Janet Reno June 1, came just days before Border Patrol agents were put on alert and told to don bulletproof vests because of a $10,000 bounty placed on their lives by a little-known Mexican group.

    The Mexican group, led by Carlos Ibarra Perez, made the offer at a news conference on Monday in Reynosa, a Mexican border town south of McAllen in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas.

    "If there are American citizens saying they are going to kill immigrants, then why can't we kill (border agents)?" Ibarra, president of Citizens Defense Committee, asked reporters.

    However, according to Daryl Schermerhorn, the Border Patrol Council's vice president, "the U.S. Border Patrol has failed to continue the purchase of body armor for its agents," leaving "over 4,000 agents working (in the field) without proper body armor."

    Schermerhorn said U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service officials claim "body armor is too costly" and that "the expense is not justifiable."


    "After hearing you state at the recent law enforcement memorial service that providing police officers with body armor is a high priority for you, I can only believe that you are unaware that the Border Patrol is not outfitting its agents with proper body armor," Schermerhorn said in his letter to Reno.

    "Failure to act promptly in this matter could cost an agent his or her life," he added, requesting that Reno advise him of what steps would be taken to correct the problem.

    All agents are initially issued body armor once they take up field assignments, according to Nicole Chulik, a spokesperson for the Border Patrol. However, she told WorldNetDaily, Schermerhorn "could be referring to a program," allowing agents to pick their own body armor, that "is not yet complete."

    Because of complaints by agents that Border Patrol-issued body armor was cumbersome, Chulik said, the INS adopted the "pick your own" program so agents "could get body armor that they were comfortable with."
    She said agents were allowed to pick from five separate vendors, but that because the "program is not entirely complete ... (some) agents may just not have gotten the new body armor yet."

    Meanwhile, in McAllen, the nearly 1,200 agents that patrol the sector's 281 miles of U.S./Mexico border were told the threat by Ibarra was serious. A spokesman in the area said Monday that the FBI is investigating the threat and trying to find out more information about Ibarra and his group.

    Individual drug lords have placed bounties as high as $200,000 on Border Patrol officers and federal agents before, but never has a community group done so, INS officials say.

    The threat of bounty issued by Ibarra is only the most recent problem to ensnare U.S. and Mexican officials regarding issues along the nearly 2,100-mile common border.

    The FBI is investigating the shooting death of a Mexican immigrant in Texas two weeks ago as he allegedly struggled with an agent over the officer's gun. And Mexico has hired U.S. lawyers to determine if its citizens' rights are being violated by ranchers in Arizona who detain, at gunpoint, immigrant trespassers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Situation View Post
    if you get hit with a 4lbs rock your toast...
    And not just in Mexico, eh?






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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    Lesson;

    Do not bring rocks to a gun fight....gringos may shoot your illegal ass...
    I think that would be a good lesson, don't taunt a giant or you might get stepped on bitch!

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    I'm sure Obama will be over the border kissing Mexican President Felipe Calderon's ass over this and sicking the Attorney General on the U. S. cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twarrior View Post
    I'm sure Obama will be over the border kissing Mexican President Felipe Calderon's ass over this and sicking the Attorney General on the U. S. cops.
    Kissing ass? He takes it in the mouth.


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