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    what happens if you eat alot of carbs and fat after stric keto diet

    Hello there.

    I am female 5ft 2 and weigh 117lb.

    I have been on strict Atkins diet for 3 weeks and lost 8lb. I have also put on lean muscle. I put on muscle very quickly. I am not trying to lose weight it's just coming off. I am trying to stay the same weight and lose a bit of fat.

    I bought some Indian Sweets yesterday. They are heavy and contain butter, gram flour, sugar, nuts, dates and so on.

    I ate maybe 350 grams of sweets today after not eating carbohydrates for 3 weeks except berries- I don't feel hungry again a few hours after eating them. I am finding myself mentally alert can breath better and on the ball again with lots of energy. It feels like my body was starved of glucose and that it has been "sucked" into my body like a vaccuum.

    If you have very low glycogen levels in your body on a Keto diet what happens when you suddenly eat heavy sweets/cakes?

    Do you put on fat in the same way you would if you are on a normal diet or does something different happen because your body is used to burning keytones?

    Can I switch between carbohydrates and keto and still burn fat?

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    I know that while on a carb cycling diet, a period of about 4 days of low carbs is used to deplete glycogen in the muscles followed by about 2 days of high carbs. Because your muscles are so glycogen depleted after the 4 days, your bodies first priority is to use all those carbs to restore gycogen levels. It's been suggested that regardless the type of carbs, they are not only not stored as fat, but the body itself continues to burn it's fat stores for energy while using the carbs from the high carb days to restore glycogen.
    However, this is for a cyclical diet. I don't know if this is still the case when on low carbs for such an extended peiod of time with no break.
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    well this happens:

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    How do you know you gained muscle? How did you measure this?

    You generally feel great. Some people start craving them more. I know I do. You will usually gain water weight as carbs will make you hold in more water. Read this: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/di...ds-leptin.html
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    Thanks for the article. It says don't eat fat so I'm not doing it right but will see what happens anyway. I ate a couple more and decided to put the rest of them in the freezer so I am back to low carb.

    I can see the muscle gains and am using heavier weights for some excercises than when I started. I am only eating 1400 calories ( because that's all I can manage on low carb) but I'm eating alot of protein. I also eat nuts to get enough fat. I find the more fat I eat the more I lose weight. If I try to go low on the fat I burn muscle.

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    The basis of Atkins is fast "weight loss" initially - and because you're not eating carbs, you're dumping water weight - because carbs require water to hold them (this is how you 'fill out' when you carb load, and look 'flat' when you dump water. So that will explain the weight loss. This also doesnt' necessarily mean anything in terms of "building muscle". For your height and weight, 1400 cals is not really what I"d call restrictive. It would be interesting to see what macronutrient ratio you're working with - i.e % protein, fat and carbs. Note that most nuts have about 6g of carbs per 1 oz of nuts, so if you're eating lots of nuts, you're getting some carbs. I'd also say if you're getting enough cals in general you're getting fuel for lifting. Further, if you've only started lifting consistently ,recently, you should see some progress, almost regardless of your diet. If you drop the fats, are you replacing the cals w/ more protein? If you're dropping the fats and not replacing the cals, you're probably dropping your total cals too low to really function efficinetly and then I would expect to see some catabolism.


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    I was told by a nutritionist once (the son of Udo Eranimus, the udo oil guy), that when your on a carb depleted diet for a while then suddenly binge on carbs, you run the risk of expanding and possibly tearing your heart, being that it's a muscle. I don't know how true this is as people carb load on keto diets all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawd View Post
    I was told by a nutritionist once (the son of Udo Eranimus, the udo oil guy), that when your on a carb depleted diet for a while then suddenly binge on carbs, you run the risk of expanding and possibly tearing your heart, being that it's a muscle. I don't know how true this is as people carb load on keto diets all the time.

    Damn, I never heard that.... altho for carb loads I'd recommend clean carbs instead of shitloading w/ lots of sugar, heavy fat, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by anakada View Post
    Hello there.

    I am female 5ft 2 and weigh 117lb.

    I have been on strict Atkins diet for 3 weeks and lost 8lb. I have also put on lean muscle.
    No, you have not.
    I put on muscle very quickly. I am not trying to lose weight it's just coming off. I am trying to stay the same weight and lose a bit of fat.
    this will not be possible without steroids. Sorry.

    I bought some Indian Sweets yesterday. They are heavy and contain butter, gram flour, sugar, nuts, dates and so on.

    I ate maybe 350 grams of sweets today after not eating carbohydrates for 3 weeks except berries- I don't feel hungry again a few hours after eating them. I am finding myself mentally alert can breath better and on the ball again with lots of energy. It feels like my body was starved of glucose and that it has been "sucked" into my body like a vaccuum.

    If you have very low glycogen levels in your body on a Keto diet what happens when you suddenly eat heavy sweets/cakes?

    Do you put on fat in the same way you would if you are on a normal diet or does something different happen because your body is used to burning keytones?

    Can I switch between carbohydrates and keto and still burn fat?
    If you are in a caloric deficit, you will drop fat regardless of the mix of protein, carb and fat. Just the way it is. Your scale will say you've gained though, you'll be holding glycogen and glycogen holds water.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawd View Post
    I was told by a nutritionist once (the son of Udo Eranimus, the udo oil guy), that when your on a carb depleted diet for a while then suddenly binge on carbs, you run the risk of expanding and possibly tearing your heart, being that it's a muscle. I don't know how true this is as people carb load on keto diets all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anakada View Post
    I can see the muscle gains and am using heavier weights for some excercises than when I started.
    I guarantee you this was not muscle gain. Not in a deficit. Not in three weeks while you lost 8 pounds (four of which were water, but still...) the strength gains you enjoyed are neural - you can get stronger without gaining muscle. Happens when you switch to lower rep range work, too.
    I am only eating 1400 calories ( because that's all I can manage on low carb) but I'm eating alot of protein. I also eat nuts to get enough fat. I find the more fat I eat the more I lose weight. If I try to go low on the fat I burn muscle.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Built View Post
    ROFLMFAO! I love it!

    And not a word of it true.
    Yea. Seemed far fetched and I was unable to find one report of this happening.

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    I'm not a fan of Udo's oil anyway. I'll stick to fish oil and walnuts (not together!) thanks.





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    That sounds yummy! Fish oil covered walnuts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jodi View Post
    That sounds yummy! Fish oil covered walnuts

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    Fishnuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawd View Post
    Fishnuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sassy69 View Post
    The basis of Atkins is fast "weight loss" initially - and because you're not eating carbs, you're dumping water weight - because carbs require water to hold them (this is how you 'fill out' when you carb load, and look 'flat' when you dump water. So that will explain the weight loss. This also doesnt' necessarily mean anything in terms of "building muscle". For your height and weight, 1400 cals is not really what I"d call restrictive. It would be interesting to see what macronutrient ratio you're working with - i.e % protein, fat and carbs. Note that most nuts have about 6g of carbs per 1 oz of nuts, so if you're eating lots of nuts, you're getting some carbs. I'd also say if you're getting enough cals in general you're getting fuel for lifting. Further, if you've only started lifting consistently ,recently, you should see some progress, almost regardless of your diet. If you drop the fats, are you replacing the cals w/ more protein? If you're dropping the fats and not replacing the cals, you're probably dropping your total cals too low to really function efficinetly and then I would expect to see some catabolism.
    I am pleased that someone talks sense. I was worried to say I put on muscle at the same time as losing fat as people are not realistic to say it's impossible. I didn't know about water retention. I drank alot of water yesterday and it did make me expand but I can see I have lost fat - the skin has tightened up and alot of ugly cellulite is gone.
    My stomach went flat because I didn't have too much fat on it to start with. You can tell when you have lost fat as it changes the shape of your body. When you lose water, you look the same but smaller.

    I am eating 40 grams carbs, 90 grams protein, 110+ grams of fat.
    I eat 25 grams basic then add some other bits to increase it to 40 grams e.g. a few berries/tomato purree/snowpeas/ground almonds. I was losing weight too quickly.... The nuts are brazil nuts and the packet says 3.1 grams carbs per 100 grams.

    I expect eating those fatty sweets makes you fat but just wanted to check that if you haven't been eating carbs and your body is burning fat for energy perhaps you don't get fat - if you do it for a short period.

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