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    How to Cycle Dianabol






    I've found a very interesting article on Dianabol: (Sorry I can't post links)

    This article was originally intended to be a history of the anabolic steroid dianabol and it's usage in bodybuilding, but there is little real evidence of how it was used in previous decades. However, in the course of research, I have come to the conclusion that current use of dianabol as a supplement is not as efficient as it could be. Most of the modern thoughts on dianabol use reflect around myths and irrelevant scientific studies; this article attempts to explain new ways of thinking on dianabol usage using scientific evidence and people's experiences.

    Dianabol (or dbol as it's commonly called) is one of the most commonly used oral steroids. Its chemical name is methanedienone or methandrostenolone and there are many different pharmaceutical and generic varieties including Anabol and Naposim. In this article we look at lower dose usage of dianabol as a supplement, as opposed to using pro-hormones or pro-steroids.
    Liver Toxicity of Dianabol
    The 17 alpha-alkylated properties of methanedienone do make it liver toxic, but this, I believe, is overstated as most of the evidence of its toxicity comes from studies on individuals and not from studies on large groups of dianabol-using bodybuilders. One study on rats (1) showed that regardless of dose or time of administration, dianabol produces changes in enzymatic activity, which leads to hypertrophy of hepatocytes; which basically shows that dianabol is toxic to the liver. But in another study (2) Nerobol (Russian Dianabol) was found to favour a rapid normalisation of functional and metabolic disorders of the liver, which contradicts the earlier evidence. This shows that the whole idea of dianabol being dangerous is in no way as bad as some would make out.
    Benefits of Dianabol Use
    Dianabol has been shown to increase anaerobic glycolysis (3), which increases lactic acid build up in the body. This is beneficial because lactic acid is used by the muscles to form glycogen, which in turn provides energy in anaerobic metabolism. Lactic acid is also a key chemical in the disposal of dietary carbohydrates, which means you are less likely to get fat while using dianabol.
    A study on osteoporosis (4) showed that at a dosage of just 2.5mg per day for 9 months dianabol was more effective than calcium supplementation in reducing osteoporotic activity, it was also shown to increase muscle mass more effectively. Another study on osteoporosis (5) which lasted 24 months, showed just how dianabol works on osteoporosis; dianabol increased total body calcium, and also total body potassium. This may not mean much to you as a bodybuilder, but the actions of calcium are very important to bodybuilders, as it transports large numbers of amino acids and also creatine and these two things are vital in muscle growth. Potassium is also very important, as it assists in muscle contractions, transmitting nerve signals, and insulin release; so it is also a very anabolic substance.
    One very interesting study (6), although not significant in bodybuilding terms, showed that dianabol increases the sensitivity of laryngeal tumour cells to radiotherapy, and concluded 'recommending this hormone to be used during radiotherapy of patients with the laryngeal cancer'.
    How to Cycle Dianabol
    To create a cycle for dianabol that is based around using it more as a supplement than a steroid, we first need to look at the current trend for cycling dianabol and analyse what is wrong with it. An average cycle of Dianabol is usually structured as 25-40mg split throughout each day for 4-6 weeks, either alone or stacked with other steroids.

    Firstly a dose of 25mg or more commonly causes water retention. It is well known that dianabol does aromatise quite easily, and most of the water retention is usually attributed to a build up of excess estrogen. However, it is my belief that initially water retention is caused by the body holding on to water due to the effects of dianabol on the body's mineral balance, in particular the potassium/sodium balance. This coupled with the fact that dianabol cause estrogenic side effects, leads to a lot of water build-up, and as there is little we can do about the change in the bodies mineral balance, the only other thing we can do is try to reduce aromatisation, usually with Nolvadex (tamoxifen) or other anti-estrogens. This is not the only method though, by reducing the dose, less of the drug will aromatise, which leads to less estrogen and more importantly less water retention. Reducing the drug during a cycle would lead to estrogen levels dropping slowly, so we should start the cycle with a lower dose of 10-20mg each day.
    Splitting the dosage when you are using a low dose is virtually pointless, as you will get a much smaller peak of the drug. So in this case it is best to take it in a single dose in the morning (preferably with grapefruit juice). Although this will not prevent suppression of natural testosterone, it may lessen it to a certain degree, as your body will still have lengthy periods later in the day when there is little testosterone circulating, and so it may still produce some.

    Now if we look at cycle duration, 4-6 weeks seems too short to have any real effect at a low dose, but how can we use dianabol for longer without placing more risk on our liver? The solution is actually quite simple; by taking weekends off from the drug we will give our livers a break from processing the drug. Due to the short half-life any active substances will be out of our system within 24 hours of your last dose, now this may seem like it will cost you gains, but in actual fact it will cost you little or no losses in the long run as even though there is no active drug in the body the effects are still present i.e. extra intramuscular water, and a more anabolic mineral balance. These effects usually taper off over several days. This method will not however, help your natural testosterone to return from its inhibited state, as this process can take considerably longer. If we take weekends off and use a lower dose, we should in theory be able to use dianabol for 10 weeks with no problems. A simple bit of mathematics can show this point best:
    • 6 weeks @25mg each day = 1050mg of Dianabol in total
    • 10 weeks with weekends off @15mg each day = 750mg of Dianabol in total
    So as you can see, by using this system your liver will actually process less dianabol than in a conventional cycle, add this to the fact that you can make gains for 10 weeks instead of 6, and with fewer side effects, and you get a very solid cycle.
    Summary
    This Cycle Theory can be applied in many different situations, for instance a beginner could use the dianabol on it's own for 10 weeks and gain very well. A more experienced steroid user could use this alongside an injectable cycle for very good gains too, getting the benefit of the initial quick gains of the Dianabol, with the slower but stronger gains of an injectable.
    This cycle may seem to go against many of the current trends of dianabol use, but I believe that by using dianabol as a supplement to good training and nutrition you can make very good gains.


    It all makes perfect sense on paper, but I'd like to hear some other opinions on this. Has anyone ever tried to take Dbol this way?
    I have Dbol in my upcoming cycle along with Test E. I was hoping to get a big portion of gains from the dbol and some cut from test. Would it still give me decent gains?

    I was originally going to take 4x 5mg through the day, but if I take 20mg at once then the peak would be higher and give me more gains as the article states, wouldn't it? And my liver gets a few hours of rest as well.

    Let me know what you think.

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    fuck the article, take test and for the first 4-6 wks take 40mg ed of d-bol 10mg qid thats 4 times a day. not all at once d-bol half live is very short so u want stable throughout the dayy as much as possible. but if you want 50 mg ed is also nice and youll get good gains. imho


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    In other places I have read from very smart bb'ers they all all state to get less shut down you take the does before 10am, but you will not have the stable levels through out the day that will give you decent gains.

    If you use a liver product and dont drink while on cycle your liver will be fine, but keep an eye on it.

    Also everyone pretty much knows where I stand on cycles whether its oral or inject.

    If its your first like I have said was in another post on another board from a really smart member 50mg dbol a day for 6 - 8 weeks.

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    I have an idea for the OP you do the cycle you posted and do a cycle log and keep it updated so we can see how well it does work.

    what do you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BTB View Post
    I have an idea for the OP you do the cycle you posted and do a cycle log and keep it updated so we can see how well it does work.

    what do you say?

    Idk about that. Its a great idea but I want good gains. I would need another injectable to make sure I get enough bulk from this cycle. Right now its just Test E and Dbol, not the most effective combo, leaves me no room to play around with anything.
    I'm dead sure I will try this on my next cycle though.

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    Just take it ED twice a day. No need to take it 4-5 times a day.

    The longer run of 10 weeks and weekends off makes little sense to me and is dangerous.

    The right dose of an A/I will keep the water weight down.

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    I used it 10 mg workout days only, pre workout a few hours before going to gym for strength increase and great pumps. I was amazed at what a difference such a small dose would make in my workouts and strength. No sides noticed. Going to try tbol next, same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muscleguys View Post
    I used it 10 mg workout days only, pre workout a few hours before going to gym for strength increase and great pumps. I was amazed at what a difference such a small dose would make in my workouts and strength. No sides noticed. Going to try tbol next, same way.

    Sounds cool. Makes me wanna try it. I was looking for Tbol for ages, its like the hardest thing to find it seems. Good luck!

    Oh by the way, what kind of gains did you get with 10mg on workout days only and what kind of injectables did you run on the side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muscleguys View Post
    I used it 10 mg workout days only, pre workout a few hours before going to gym for strength increase and great pumps. I was amazed at what a difference such a small dose would make in my workouts and strength. No sides noticed. Going to try tbol next, same way.
    so this was dbol-only right? For how long?
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    your on testosterone E and dbol now? why not throw deca in the mix....its known as the classic bulk.

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    I like to take orals preworkout. 20 mg an hour preworkout make for an awesome session. I'd feel safe doing that for 8 weeks straight. Just take it on workout days. If you have your oils, there is no need to stay on orals all day, except maybe the first ten days of long esters. This approach is unconventional, but it's how I prefer to take orals, and it works well for me. Blood work comes out fine, except the temporarily skewed lipids.
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    40mg pre workout, 10mg at night to keep levels in the blood = win.

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    Alright you guys talked me into it. I'll play around with the dose and post my results. I guess I start out with the common routine, waiting for the Test to kick in and then take half pre workout and some at night or something.

    A bit off topic, I want to add Win for the last couple of weeks of this cycle. How effective are the orals for fat loss? I'm thinking 30 -50mg ED, depends on how much fat I put on with Test and Dbol.

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    stay with your plan use winny, injectable though i find it works better. 50mg d-bol and 500mg test e is good but like btb said throw some deca for a kick ass size and stregth cycle.


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    I'm not quite sure what your going to achieve by taking 20mg dbol e/d. I would reccomend starting around 40mg & adjust accordingly. 20mg A.M & 20mg P.M. If your worried about water weight, I would substitute Tbol over the dbol.

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