i do so i guess
Presently using tren ace at 75mg ed and 600mg of test enth. Because i,ve never used tren ace before. And test. enth. at this high of weekly dose , i worry about estrogen and prolactin related side effects. So as a safeguard i,m using 50mg of winstrol ed for a period of 6 to 7 wks, and also running T-3 @ 50mcg ed for 3 wks on, and alternating 2 wks clenbuteral on and off. The AI i,m using is armdex. .5mg ed and for prolactin issues i,m running .25mgs of dostinex three times per week. With the winstrol liver toxicity and the tren ace liver issues , i want to be sure i ,m at least trying to minimize the hepatoxic effects these particular aas,s are having on my organs namely my liver. IF ANYone has any knowledge or experience with running the milk thistle and the liv 52 DS could you please weigh in. Ironically my concern that running two liver boosting supplements could end up putting to much stress on the liver. I have both and presently i,m using four 175 mg capsules of the milk thistle ed, and one liv 52 ds eod.
Last edited by sambaga; 09-05-2010 at 12:14 AM. Reason: forgot to mention the caber useage for prolactin .
i do so i guess
Absolutely. I don't think you can be too careful or safe.
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Why wouldn't it be okay?
I guess better to ask than to not do it at all though.
As SD said. Can never be too safe with this stuff.
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I would be interested what one is better liv52 vs milk thistle
btw anyone know of a cheap place that sells liv52 and dose international shipping??
i,ve heard differing oppions on the dangers of running t-3 for long periods i.e shutting down your own thyroid function,so as a safeguard i choose to use the drug for periods of no more than 3 to 4 wks max. and start with small doses and wein myself down .i usually then run two wks of clen. Althogh lately i,ve been noticing that some people are running higher doses for longer periods. i guess i,m just playing it safe.Why do you ask , do you think i,m using to much or to little? I,M open to differing oppinions.
as far as i'm aware taking t3 for a week or 6 years will still result in the same recovery time it doesn't shut down harder like gear dose
Here is what you're doing to yourself by starting and stopping the T3. First, you're increasing your body's metabolism, which is a good thing if you're looking to drop weight. When you stop it, the thyroid needs time to recover to start producing NATURAL T3, during this "recovery" period your thyroid is NOT only slowed down but slowed down more than normal. This is a BAD thing while dieting because your body's metabolism is slowed down, BIG TIME. All the work you do while being "off" T3 is slightly wasted.
You're taking the thyroid for a ride through peeks and valleys and this is the LEAST optimal way to reach your goals. You need to run it and then taper off of it to have your thyroid working correctly and keep fat gains to a minimum.
Here is a basic guideline of how to use it:
50mcgs ED to start first thing in the AM on an empty stomach ALWAYS. You will run this until you hit a plateau. When you do you need to make an adjustment, either drop your calories slightly, increase your cardio or increase the T3. I would always try everything else before increasing the T3, that is a last resort. You can go as high as 100mcgs ED but I think anything more than 75mcgs is going to lead to LBM loss.
When you decide to stop using it you need to taper off. This helps your own thyroid recover a little and not make it so difficult to get it back up and running, which doesn't take very long.
Here is how you could do it, hypothetically speaking let's assume you were using 100mcgs ED:
Starting point: 100mcgs
WEEKS 1-2: 75mcgs
WEEKS 3-4: 50mcgs
WEEKS 5-6: 25mcgs
WEEKS 7: Zero.
This allows the thyroid to slowly start producing T3 on it's own sooner rather than just stoping cold turkey.
25mcgs is just a replacement dose so anytime you are going to use T3 (unless you're going to use GH and that is totally different from what you're doing and is too long to explain here) start at 50mcgs.
There are numerous studies showing that long term T3 use (years not a few months) has little to no effect on the human thyroid. See www.pubmed.com for the studies or kindly ask Heavyiron for them. You might aslo want to search for posts by Heavyiron to read them if he has already posted them.
Hopefully this helps you understand how and why this works. I would consider so more research as well.
as u always have in the past you do again.YOU are a wealth of great information. Starting immediately i,m going to change the way i run the t-3. IT,S A dangerous drug if administered improperly, thankgod for people like you willing to pass down your knowledge.And by the way i had forgoten that you had to take it first thing in the morning on a empty stomach.HOPEfully i can get my self back on track ,and remind myself to check my notes. Keep the information flowing for us knuckle heads who jump into things willy-nilly without the proper due diligence.
Hell its cheap here. I can send you some. It cant be that expensive to mail it over to you.
Any info on why Liv 52 is better? Not that I don't believe you. Milk thistle is the stand by and it seems that Liv 52 is the new up and comer.
Just going by what the guy at a shop told me which is probably false but Liv 52 doesn't even contain milk thistle. At his shop he had the american version of Liv52 and I opted for the MT instead.
I can get Liv52 and silymarin( milk thistle tablets) for you if you like. I use them for lipid control and i can help you guys also. They are chjeap here in thailand.
I use them both year round. So yes absolutely.
They both arent the best choices. NAC and UDCA are proven in a clinical setting to work at reducing liver enzymes. I use them.
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