pct on cycle advice

[OTG85]

Alright I'm about to run a cycle of (sus300)2x a week (tren.E 150) 2x a week and t-bol 60 mg a day.For pct I have nolva and clomid.I only want to use nolva for gyno issues if I got to.For bloating on cycle what is the best and cheapest way to go?

[MDR]

Alright I'm about to run a cycle of (sus300)2x a week (tren.E 150) 2x a week and t-bol 60 mg a day.For pct I have nolva and clomid.I only want to use nolva for gyno issues if I got to.For bloating on cycle what is the best and cheapest way to go?

Arimidex will probably work fine. I take .5 every other day, all the way through cycle.

[OTG85]

Arimidex will probably work fine. I take .5 every other day, all the way through cycle.

thanks bro

[pyes]

I second that...I like arimidex more than aromasin. i do not have bloating, but I am not sure if adex is the reason or not...also nolva is not the best choice for AI or PCT.

[SUPERFLY1234]

Alright I'm about to run a cycle of (sus300)2x a week (tren.E 150) 2x a week and t-bol 60 mg a day.For pct I have nolva and clomid.I only want to use nolva for gyno issues if I got to.For bloating on cycle what is the best and cheapest way to go?

if i was doing sus, i would pin at least 3 times for a total of 900mgs. sus is great but weak. when iam on a sus cycle i pin eod. why not throw in some eq with this cycle? that will also help with the bloat from the sus.

[Tyler3295]

If you are pinning the sust EOD, why not just use prop?

[chronicelite]

I am doing glutes, quads and delts. I am doing injections ED.

However all of my injection sites right now are sore and have bruises and I'm going to have to hit one of them tomorrow. Any suggestions??

PS: I am doing a combination of Tren A and Test P so, no bicep or tricep shots.... I have heard too many horror stories.

[Tyler3295]

Suggestions? Find a new one.

Pecs? Lats? Traps?

[chronicelite]

I second that...I like arimidex more than aromasin. i do not have bloating, but I am not sure if adex is the reason or not...also nolva is not the best choice for AI or PCT.

Explain why Nolva is not the best choice for PCT......

I have always been told everywhere that Nolva is by far more effective than Clomid. What else is there?

[MDR]

The simpe answer is that Clomid is more effective. Nolva has faded in popularity quite a bit as of late. I don't know anyone personally who still uses it for PCT. CT wrote up a very complete outline on why Nolva is not the best choice. It is in the research Chemicals section. Take a look and see what you think. I like Clomid because it does what I need it to do in PCT.

[chronicelite]

The simpe answer is that Clomid is more effective. Nolva has faded in popularity quite a bit as of late. I don't know anyone personally who still uses it for PCT. CT wrote up a very complete outline on why Nolva is not the best choice. It is in the research Chemicals section. Take a look and see what you think. I like Clomid because it does what I need it to do in PCT.

I guess it's a good thing that I never threw out my clomid. What type of dosing scheme are you using for PCT with Clomid ?

100/100/100/50 on the clomid. You will need HCG also. On cycle IMO. Research the threads and read up on HCG usage.

I think I have enough Clomid for this. Is 4 weeks on Clomid really enough ?
I am also running 500iu weekly of HCG while on Cycle to keep my boys at normal size. I love not having raisins

[SUPERFLY1234]

If you are pinning the sust EOD, why not just use prop?

when i use prop, i pin ed. the reason why not to use prop is the pain of the injection site. do know if it only me but it seems that i get gyno when i run prop longer than 4 weeks.

[MDR]

I guess it's a good thing that I never threw out my clomid. What type of dosing scheme are you using for PCT with Clomid ?



I think I have enough Clomid for this. Is 4 weeks on Clomid really enough ?
I am also running 500iu weekly of HCG while on Cycle to keep my boys at normal size. I love not having raisins

i have heard that 500x2 is a better protocol for HCG. Heavyiron posted some pretty compelling evidence that this is the way to go. I've always done, 250x2-but I'm going to double it next time. the dosage suggested for Clomid looked good to me. I run the HCG from start to finish on the cycle, and until the ester clears after. Then i start with PCT.

[chronicelite]

when i use prop, i pin ed. the reason why not to use prop is the pain of the injection site. do know if it only me but it seems that i get gyno when i run prop longer than 4 weeks.

Same here for the pain, but no gyno here, I just run Adex and have no issues with that. Pinning ED is the best for keeping blood levels stable IMO.

Right now I am currently running T Prop and Tren A and no side effects yet.

People say you get insomnia, if anything I am more tired than before and sleep like 10 hours per night haha. No night sweats, although it is starting to get cold up here in Canada. No aggression problems, although I do smoke the occasional MJ and it is good at keeping me calmed down.

[Tyler3295]

That SEEMS like a bit high of a clomid dosage.

I have seen people recover just fine off of Clomid @ 50/50/50/50/

If I were running Clomid ONLY though I would run something like Clomid @ 75/50/50/25 (Optional 5th week @ 25mg ED)

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I run both nolva AND clomid though. Can never "over-do" post cycle therapy/recovery.

[Tyler3295]

when i use prop, i pin ed. the reason why not to use prop is the pain of the injection site. do know if it only me but it seems that i get gyno when i run prop longer than 4 weeks.

Yeah, prop can sting pretty good.

It's a toss up with me. Some days its BAD. Others, doesn't hurt at all.

But yeah, I do find myself more susceptible to gyno-related sides on prop, compared to cyp/enanth.

[MDR]

That SEEMS like a bit high of a clomid dosage.

I have seen people recover just fine off of Clomid @ 50/50/50/50/

If I were running Clomid ONLY though I would run something like Clomid @ 75/50/50/25 (Optional 5th week @ 25mg ED)

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I run both nolva AND clomid though. Can never "over-do" post cycle therapy/recovery.

I've run 50 straight through, too. I like to recover as fast as possible, and I don't have any outward negative sides. Probably a bit dependent on size and the length of cycle. Mostly, I just want to make sure I'm covered.

[Tyler3295]

I've run 50 straight through, too. I like to recover as fast as possible, and I don't have any outward negative sides. Probably a bit dependent on size and the length of cycle. Mostly, I just want to make sure I'm covered.

Yep. Same here, which is why I double up on PCT drugs.

Will be trying Fareston (torem) in place of nolva next run. Will let everyone know if I notice a difference.

[chronicelite]

I've run 50 straight through, too. I like to recover as fast as possible, and I don't have any outward negative sides. Probably a bit dependent on size and the length of cycle. Mostly, I just want to make sure I'm covered.

How long would you say before your test levels get back up to baseline ?

And at what point personally do you discontinue using HCG ?

[MDR]

How long would you say before your test levels get back up to baseline ?

And at what point personally do you discontinue using HCG ?

I stop with the HCG after the ester clears, so it depends if you are using a short or long ester at the end of your cycle. I get blood work done after PCT, and test levels are always back up after four weeks of Clomid. I usually wait a couple weeks to do the blood work after PCT is complete, but that is more to give my lipid levels a chance to normalize.