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Hey everyone, decided to come here to ask all the experts about my first cycle. I've been reading on this site for a long time and figured i'd finally sign up:loser2:.

Anyway, I'd like your opinions on my cycle.

First some stats.
25 years old, 5'11, 192lbs, 10% Body Fat, been lifting for 7 years on and off.
Somewhat stuck and finally received a good source, so i figured I'd give gear a go! Pin it to win it, right?! :)

Cycle:

1-12 weeks Test E, From weeks 1-2 750mgs (frontload) then 3-12 500mgs
14-18 weeks Nolva 40/40/20/20
1-18 weeks Arimidex .25mg eod then from weeks 14-18 15/15/10/10

Injecting bi-weekly so Thursday/Monday.

I was going to stack with some dbol, however I only have one kidney, it was taken out when i was 5 years old, so I'm not going to leave her alone as best as i can :)

Thanks in advance!
I will keep a journal starting from day one to last day of PCT.
 
Replace the nolva with clomid....100/100/75/50. Don't taper off the AI. Run it the entire course of the cycle including PCT. Keep the nolva stashed away in case of an emergency.


/V
 
VictorZ06 said:
Replace the nolva with clomid....100/100/75/50. Don't taper off the AI. Run it the entire course of the cycle including PCT. Keep the nolva stashed away in case of an emergency.


/V
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Thanks for the advice, so just run my Arimidex .25mg every other day from weeks 1-18 correct?
 
VictorZ06 said:
Replace the nolva with clomid....100/100/75/50. Don't taper off the AI. Run it the entire course of the cycle including PCT. Keep the nolva stashed away in case of an emergency.

/V
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Solid advice!

commasplice said:
Thanks for the advice, so just run my Arimidex .25mg every other day from weeks 1-18 correct?
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That would work just fine.

-TG
 
moarwhey123 said:
not a fan of front loading test E since it takes so long to kick in but diff strokes diff folks
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Well, I'm going to have 3 vials meaning i will have some left over, and the reason i was going to front load was because i was hoping it would kick in quicker haha.

Just a quick questions, why does everyone here so far prefer clomid over nolva?
I really don't want to get any sides of the clomid:hmmm:
 
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commasplice said:
Well, I'm going to have 3 vials meaning i will have some left over, and the reason i was going to front load was because i was hoping it would kick in quicker haha.

Just a quick questions, why does everyone here so far prefer clomid over nolva?
I really don't want to get any sides of the clomid:hmmm:
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Nolva lowers your Growth hormone levels, which is not good during PCT...
Clomid doesn't do this to you.

Just a suggestion of maybe to run Aromasin during PCT rather than Adex...
Discontinuing Adex at the same time as Clomid or Nolva may cause a rebound IMO and I think it's better to run your SERM longer than your AI....

JMO....
 
Nothing wrong with front loading if you got the extra. It does help a little to get your plasma levels up quicker. I wouldnt pay for the extra test to front load. I would just do an oral kicker. But if I had the extra...Why not
 
chronicelite said:
Nolva lowers your Growth hormone levels, which is not good during PCT...
Clomid doesn't do this to you.

Just a suggestion of maybe to run Aromasin during PCT rather than Adex...
Discontinuing Adex at the same time as Clomid or Nolva may cause a rebound IMO and I think it's better to run your SERM longer than your AI....

JMO....
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Thanks everyone again for the great info and advice.
Why do you suggest Aromasin rather then Adex?
And If you wouldn't mind, how much longer would you run the SERM than the AI and would i have to taper the serm or how would that work?
 
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chronicelite said:
Nolva lowers your Growth hormone levels, which is not good during PCT...
Clomid doesn't do this to you.
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+1 As well as your IGF levels. And I agree with moarwhey123, if you are going to front, best use test prop or an oral such as dbol or drol. There are dozens of threads that explain why we don't run nolva anymore, do some more research bro.


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cavtrooper96 said:
Nothing wrong with front loading if you got the extra. It does help a little to get your plasma levels up quicker. I wouldnt pay for the extra test to front load. I would just do an oral kicker. But if I had the extra...Why not
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My thoughts exactly, I'm going to have extra so i might as well use what i paid for. I was going to run dbol as an oral kicker however as i mention above i have one kidney so I'm trying to be good to her :).
 
commasplice said:
My thoughts exactly, I'm going to have extra so i might as well use what i paid for. I was going to run dbol as an oral kicker however as i mention above i have one kidney so I'm trying to be good to her :).
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Ouch..... don't do AAS at all dude! One kidney? Yikes!
 
chronicelite said:
Ouch..... don't do AAS at all dude! One kidney? Yikes!
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Yes,yes i know i get this reaction a lot lol. That is why I'm staying away from all orals as i believe they will be more harsh on me then real gear.
I had it taken out when i was 5 and have had no problems since then, shes is a large kidney almost the size of two :).
 
I've also done a little research, and believe it or not, Nandrolone is even used to treat people with kidney problems.
The only thing I'm worried about is the high protein intake.
 
commasplice said:
The only thing I'm worried about is the high protein intake.
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You need it if you want to grow, many of us need at least 400+ grams a day. I strongly suggest getting some professional advice....you are in a high risk tier for AAS use.



/V
 
Well, thanks for all the good info, I'll talk to a kidney specialist and if i get the O.K then I'll log a journal here :)

For any of you that have one kidney out there, don't get all sad check out George Farrah, professional body builder and hes clearly into some gear and hes got 1 kidney.
 
Ballsy. I like it.


However I agree. Make sure you get checked out man. Is a cycle worth your life? I think not.
 
commasplice said:
Hey everyone, decided to come here to ask all the experts about my first cycle. I've been reading on this site for a long time and figured i'd finally sign up:loser2:.

Anyway, I'd like your opinions on my cycle.

First some stats.
25 years old, 5'11, 192lbs, 10% Body Fat, been lifting for 7 years on and off.
Somewhat stuck and finally received a good source, so i figured I'd give gear a go! Pin it to win it, right?! :)

Cycle:

1-12 weeks Test E, From weeks 1-2 750mgs (frontload) then 3-12 500mgs
14-18 weeks Nolva 40/40/20/20
1-18 weeks Arimidex .25mg eod then from weeks 14-18 15/15/10/10

Injecting bi-weekly so Thursday/Monday.

I was going to stack with some dbol, however I only have one kidney, it was taken out when i was 5 years old, so I'm not going to leave her alone as best as i can :)

Thanks in advance!
I will keep a journal starting from day one to last day of PCT.
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You have great stats to start a cycle. Props to you for waiting on beginning AAS.

My points:
  1. No point in Front Loading, especially for the first cycle. You will grow like a weed on 500mg Test a week
  2. Opt for Clomid. A good starting dose is 100/100/75/50
  3. Twice a week injections are good
  4. 12 week cycle is good
  5. Dianabol is always great add to a cycle.
  6. Adding an AI is a good idea
  7. One kidney? DEFINITELY get with someone who knows the INS and OUTS of AAS use before beginning.
 
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commasplice said:
Well, I'm going to have 3 vials meaning i will have some left over, and the reason i was going to front load was because i was hoping it would kick in quicker haha.

Just a quick questions, why does everyone here so far prefer clomid over nolva?
I really don't want to get any sides of the clomid:hmmm:
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If you think injecting a higher dose will make it absorb faster, and that's the only reason you want to "frontload"..then don't front load..just a waste.

1 injection per week or two?
 
Conrad415 said:
You have great stats to start a cycle. Props to you for waiting on beginning AAS.

My points:
  1. No point in Front Loading, especially for the first cycle. You will grow like a weed on 500mg Test a week
  2. Opt for Clomid. A good starting dose is 100/100/75/50
  3. Twice a week injections are good
  4. 12 week cycle is good
  5. Dianabol is always great add to a cycle.
  6. Adding an AI is a good idea
  7. One kidney? DEFINITELY get with someone who knows the INS and OUTS of AAS use before beginning.
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Great reply, love the feedback, here is an updated version of the cycle.

1-12 weeks Test E at 500mgs
14-18 weeks Clomid at 100/100/75/50
1-18 weeks Arimidex eod at .25mg

I'm going to stick with the a-dex and then I'll have my nolva on hand as well. How does this look so far?
 
stfuandliftbtch said:
If you think injecting a higher dose will make it absorb faster, and that's the only reason you want to "frontload"..then don't front load..just a waste.

1 injection per week or two?
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Not frontloading anymore, and injecting bi weekly (Monday/Thursday).
 
SloppyJ said:
Ballsy. I like it.


However I agree. Make sure you get checked out man. Is a cycle worth your life? I think not.
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I will definitely look further into this before I start, I will make sure to be safe as possible and taking all pre-cautions :)
 
Good thing man. Better to be safe. And also check out aromasin vs arimidex.
 
Not sure where u guys got your information but clomid decreases your IGF just like nolva.
 
underscore said:
Not sure where u guys got your information but clomid decreases your IGF just like nolva.
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I've found from reading from forum to forum, obviously everyone has a personal preference. Certain forums favor Nolva over Clomid or vice versa. I guess its just a decision I'll have to take. It's like trying to choose chevy or ford :)
 
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